Will there be an uproar when Obamacare is repealed?

[imported_tajmahal]

A car is normally a liability, but if it's getting you to money such as a job then would it be an asset? Or, what if you're in sales and you have to go meet potential clients. Then it could be considered an asset.

I'm with you on personal responsibility. It needs to be drilled in all areas of our lives: health, financial, career, relationships, etc. The problem is we've gotten to the point that people are pointing fingers at everyone but themselves.

I take care of my health. I do this before anything else because it's that important. I wake up at 4am 5 days a week so I can go to the gym at 4:30am. Been doing this for a while now. I also try to eat nutritiously. We have an epidemic of Americans who don't give a f*ck. They have this it's not my fault attitude.

And it really pisses you off that you can't force other Americans to do what you do, doesn't it?

 

[Mai72]

And it really pisses you off that you can't force other Americans to do what you do, doesn't it?

Not really. I can't force people to think the way that I do. And, I can't force people to take on my ideas, goals and habits. Nor would I want too.

I just don't want to pay for it. I'm all for helping out the most needy Americans. The people who need help I'm all for it. But, when you have people who deliberately eat like sh*t, drink like a fish, smoke cigarettes, and engage in other risky behavior why should I have to foot the bill? It's called personal responsibility.

The thing is the children see their parents engaging in this behavior will probably adopt it as well. They are more prone to be over weight. They are more likely to abuse alcohol, drugs and engage in risky behavior. Wouldn't you want to curb this if you could? Wouldn't it benefit society?

 

[Jhhnn]

Not really. I can't force people to think the way that I do. And, I can't force people to take on my ideas, goals and habits. Nor would I want too.

I just don't want to pay for it. I'm all for helping out the most needy Americans. The people who need help I'm all for it. But, when you have people who deliberately eat like sh*t, drink like a fish, smoke cigarettes, and engage in other risky behavior why should I have to foot the bill? It's called personal responsibility.

The thing is the children see their parents engaging in this behavior will probably adopt it as well. They are more prone to be over weight. They are more likely to abuse alcohol, drugs and engage in risky behavior. Wouldn't you want to curb this if you could? Wouldn't it benefit society?

So that's a combo of self righteous moral indignation & escape from reality?

Only the Rich can afford to let greed rule their attitudes. The rest of us need to take care of each other because we can't afford not to. They sure as Hell won't unless forced to do so. Automation & offshoring are cheaper than wages & healthcare for workers. We're all just increasingly obsolete robots for the dispassionate purposes of Capitalism.

Get your nose down from up in the air & try to look past the end of it. None of us pick our parents or our genetic inheritance. That's just random chance. And a great deal of what happens to us in life is the same thing.

I figure that I've always been more lucky than good, probably in ways I barely appreciate. Not Donald Trump lucky, but lucky nonetheless. It tempers my view on the rest of humanity, humbles me, helps me to understand that there but for the grace of God go I.

Or just wear the headset of a temporarily embarrassed billionaire.

 

[Jaskalas]

The individual mandate was put in place because everyone will need healthcare at some point.

The mandate exists for the sole purpose of regressive taxation against people who cannot afford healthcare anyway.
It needs to be restructured, people rightly feel wronged by the current implementation of ACA. Half measures are only half correct.

 

[dphantom]

The mandate exists for the sole purpose of regressive taxation against people who cannot afford healthcare anyway.
It needs to be restructured, people rightly feel wronged by the current implementation of ACA. Half measures are only half correct.

Well said. A little late to the discussion here but what I would like to see in a reformed health care act is portability across state lines along with the ability to individualize one's health insurance coverage.

 

[SNC]

it is the interest of the united states to have healthy citizens and therefore it is a constitutional duty for our government to address such issues.

I tried to find that in the Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution, and couldn't, care to help me find it?

 

[SNC]

None of us pick our parents or our genetic inheritance.

What does that have to do with making bad choices about what one eats, drinks, smokes and does? Are you saying that ones need for fast food and smoking is a genetic trait passed on from parent to child? Is there any situation where you don't think the government is responsible for?

 

[Mai72]

I want to see the requirement to purchase ACA go away. It's ridiculous. Why should there be a mandate that if you don't purchase health coverage you'll have to pay a fine. If I don't want health coverage why should I feel the pressure to purchase a plan? Typical overreach by government.

Btw, I have a buddy whose getting back on his feet. Makes about $28k a year. Went on marketplace website and was quoted $280 a month for the lowest brownze tier. He can hardly pay for rent, food and so on. This is with all the tax breaks as well.

I live in nanny state NJ. Cops will pull you over and fine you just because you aren't wearing your seatbelt. I had more freedom in Thailand.

 

[Brainonska511]

I want to see the requirement to purchase ACA go away. It's ridiculous. Why should there be a mandate that if you don't purchase health coverage you'll have to pay a fine. If I don't want health coverage why should I feel the pressure to purchase a plan? Typical overreach by government.

If you don't want health coverage, then we should get rid of the obligation to treat people in emergency rooms. Don't want coverage, fine - but don't expect a handout when things turn to shit.

 

[Homerboy]

If you don't want health coverage, then we should get rid of the obligation to treat people in emergency rooms. Don't want coverage, fine - but don't expect a handout when things turn to shit.

That sounds good to me. No coverage? Sorry, no service.

Sort of like when those very rural households opt out of paying additional taxes/fee to receive fire coverage from the nearest town with a fire department then their house catches on fire and the firemen can do nothing but sit there and watch the house burn down because the home owner wanted to save a few bucks thinking "I'll never need the fire department!:"

https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again

 

[ivwshane]

I tried to find that in the Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution, and couldn't, care to help me find it?

Its the general welfare clause and its mentioned a couple of times in the constitution.

 

[theeedude]

Good to see pro-lifers advocate watching people die and doing nothing.

 

[Homerboy]

Its the general welfare clause and its mentioned a couple of times in the constitution.

Yeap - this is exactly what the Supreme Court cited when Social Security was brought to the plate in 1935

 

[bshole]

If you don't want health coverage, then we should get rid of the obligation to treat people in emergency rooms. Don't want coverage, fine - but don't expect a handout when things turn to shit.

Screw things like morality I guess. Screw the Hippocratic oath too...

 

[DrunkenSano]

Good to see pro-lifers advocate watching people die and doing nothing.

More like watching people poison themselves willingly then turn around and ask other people to foot the medical bill for them. If you smoke, drink excessively, stuff junk food in your maw everyday to maintain an unhealthy lifestyle, then you should pay a much higher amount than someone who keeps an eye on his diet, goes to the gym, does sports, etc.

Just like car insurance, someone who has 10 speeding tickets, 3 accidents they cause, have a much, much higher cost than someone who has little to no speeding tickets or violations.

 

[theeedude]

More like watching people poison themselves willingly then turn around and ask other people to foot the medical bill for them. If you smoke, drink excessively, stuff junk food in your maw everyday to maintain an unhealthy lifestyle, then you should pay a much higher amount than someone who keeps an eye on his diet, goes to the gym, does sports, etc.
Just like car insurance, someone who has 10 speeding tickets, 3 accidents they cause, have a much, much higher cost than someone who has little to no speeding tickets or violations.

Keep selling yourself this morality fairy tale to justify your own amorality.

 

[Homerboy]

Screw things like morality I guess. Screw the Hippocratic oath too...

Normally I'd agree, but if the people are voluntarily waving the ACA coverage/fee, then that is their choice is it not?

 

[ivwshane]

More like watching people poison themselves willingly then turn around and ask other people to foot the medical bill for them. If you smoke, drink excessively, stuff junk food in your maw everyday to maintain an unhealthy lifestyle, then you should pay a much higher amount than someone who keeps an eye on his diet, goes to the gym, does sports, etc.

Just like car insurance, someone who has 10 speeding tickets, 3 accidents they cause, have a much, much higher cost than someone who has little to no speeding tickets or violations.

You and other posters seem to think that the only people who get sick are people who have unhealthy lifestyles.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupidity, no matter how rich you are.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Keep selling yourself this morality fairy tale to justify your own amorality.

If you are so self-righteous, why don't you give most of your paycheck away to people in need?

You and other posters seem to think that the only people who get sick are people who have unhealthy lifestyles.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupidity, no matter how rich you are.

Except I didn't say that, thanks for putting words in my mouth. If they lived a healthy life, their health care cost would be low. If something comes up unexpectedly that is to no fault of their own, their insurance should not rise nor should they get dropped.

Now, if someone who smokes a pack a day gets lung cancer, they were the idiot that inflicted it on themselves. Why should other people shoulder that burden for them?

 

[Brainonska511]

Screw things like morality I guess. Screw the Hippocratic oath too...

If you choose to forgo coverage when it was readily available, why should anyone have to help you for free when SHTF?

 

[theeedude]

If you are so self-righteous, why don't you give most of your paycheck away to people in need?

I live in CA and make good money, so I pretty much do already.
Guess which president required hospitals to treat everyone at the ER? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Obama.

 

[ivwshane]

Normally I'd agree, but if the people are voluntarily waving the ACA coverage/fee, then that is their choice is it not?

Do you think their bad decisions could possibly have a negative effect on you? Or do you think you are immune from the effects of peoples bad decisions?

 

[Brainonska511]

Do you think their bad decisions could possibly have a negative effect on you? Or do you think you are immune from the effects of peoples bad decisions?

I personally feel that we should be helping people, even when they do make bad decisions. But that also means they need to help us by buying into the risk pool, even if it means they are forced to do so. But if people want to go with the FYGM attitude and not hold up the other half of the risk-pooling bargain, well then perhaps it should be "too bad, so sad" when they do get sick.

 

[ivwshane]

If you are so self-righteous, why don't you give most of your paycheck away to people in need?



Except I didn't say that, thanks for putting words in my mouth. If they lived a healthy life, their health care cost would be low. If something comes up unexpectedly that is to no fault of their own, their insurance should not rise nor should they get dropped.

Now, if someone who smokes a pack a day gets lung cancer, they were the idiot that inflicted it on themselves. Why should other people shoulder that burden for them?

Maybe, maybe not. They may be at greater risk if they are unhealthy but that doesn't mean healthy people still can't get expensively sick and you still haven't addressed the fact that some people are born "unhealthy". Who pays for them?

 

[ivwshane]

I personally feel that we should be helping people, even when they do make bad decisions. But that also means they need to help us by buying into the risk pool, even if it means they are forced to do so. But if people want to go with the FYGM attitude and not hold up the other half of the risk-pooling bargain, well then perhaps it should be "too bad, so sad" when they do get sick.

That feels good and sounds smart but it's also extremely short sided. What do you think people who have a history of making bad life decisions will do when they can't afford necessary medical treatment?