Will there be an uproar when Obamacare is repealed?

[Jhhnn]

Unsustainable or not doesn't matter for those who are currently and will continue to be covered by employer subsidized medical insurance. Simple reality is that whether people die under the current situation due to lack of coverage or other factors matters less to me and the majority of folks than not screwing up our current satisfactory healthcare status quo. If you want to provide "universal" healthcare then you're going to need to accept that the middle/upper classes aren't going to pay for healthcare for the poor that's of high quality like what we pay for ourselves. If 'universal' healthcare comes it's going to look like universal education, with poors getting access to crappy overcrowded schools that are little more than warehouses for dysfunction while the middle class and wealthy get great schools for their kids. Attempting to give the poor either great schools or medical care would result in the unelection of every politician who voted for it and whatever machinations that would be required by the middle/upper class to ensure they got access to proper care while the poor were left to effectively rot. See NYC public schools for an example of what would happen to the medical field.

Our Canadian & European cousins don't look at it that way at all & they seem to be doing decently well.

Or is your usual FYGM the true essence of American Exceptionalism?

 

[EduCat]

to be fair, "urgent care clinics" are not the same as hospital ERs. i don't have any experience with urgent care clinics, but a hospital ER took me while i was briefly uninsured. that was a nightmare to sort out but eventually i got it taken care of (only paid like $2k of a ~15k bill)

Yea I know they are not the same. 15k bill is an emergency, we are talking about general health. Ear/sinus infection, rash, etc.

Next time go to urgent care instead of the ER lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yea I know they are not the same. 15k bill is an emergency, we are talking about general health. Ear/sinus infection, rash, etc.

Next time go to urgent care instead of the ER lol.

Just be sure to have the cash or a valid credit card.

 

[glenn1]

Our Canadian & European cousins don't look at it that way at all & they seem to be doing decently well.

Or is your usual FYGM the true essence of American Exceptionalism?

As opposed to your usual FYCAA ("fvck you collective action problem") exceptionalism?

 

[Jhhnn]

As opposed to your usual FYCAA ("fvck you collective action problem") exceptionalism?

It's clearly a collective action problem-

http://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ng-plan-18m-lose-insurance-and-premiums-rise/

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yea I know they are not the same. 15k bill is an emergency, we are talking about general health. Ear/sinus infection, rash, etc.

Next time go to urgent care instead of the ER lol.

a partially obstructed intestine definitely counts as an emergency

 

[EduCat]

Just be sure to have the cash or a valid credit card.

For sure, this is how poor people generally do these things. Or we tough it out or try homeopathic remedies.

a partially obstructed intestine definitely counts as an emergency

I knew most of you here were full of it.

 

[EduCat]

Maybe I should get my ACL reconstructed before all of this goes through...

 

[Jhhnn]

For sure, this is how poor people generally do these things. Or we tough it out or try homeopathic remedies.

Or they go to the ER where they don't need any money. It's a no-brainer, other than for no-brainers.

 

[EduCat]

Or they go to the ER where they don't need any money. It's a no-brainer, other than for no-brainers.

They will receive a large bill for it. Didn't you just read above about Fenix getting a 15k bill when he went to the ER uninsured?

Now if we are going to have a discussion on people defaulting on their bills then we have a rather large discussion ahead of us.

 

[ivwshane]

They will receive a large bill for it. Didn't you just read above about Fenix getting a 15k bill when he went to the ER uninsured?

Now if we are going to have a discussion on people defaulting on their bills then we have a rather large discussion ahead of us.

Uh oh! A large bill? Shit! What is someone to do? Are they (the hospital) going to come after you? Are they going to take away the place you are renting? Are they going to garnish the wages from the job you aren't working at or from which you are paid cash? This all assumes, of course, they have your information. Oh you didn't give them a valid ID? Well then, I guess we are back to square one.

 

[EduCat]

Uh oh! A large bill? Shit! What is someone to do? Are they (the hospital) going to come after you? Are they going to take away the place you are renting? Are they going to garnish the wages from the job you aren't working at or from which you are paid cash? This all assumes, of course, they have your information. Oh you didn't give them a valid ID? Well then, I guess we are back to square one.

So now we are talking about illegals? I thought we were talking about Americans. As far as them coming after you, they'll do everything in their power to get their money. Like EVERY other industry out there.

I'm sure Fenix gave them all bad info too! Right? Cause that's what everyone does. Lolol

 

[ivwshane]

So now we are talking about illegals? I thought we were talking about Americans. As far as them coming after you, they'll do everything in their power to get their money. Like EVERY other industry out there.

I'm sure Fenix gave them all bad info too! Right? Cause that's what everyone does. Lolol

Lol, yeah only illegals do that /eyeroll

 

[EduCat]

Lol, yeah only illegals do that /eyeroll

lol yep the poors and lower middle class are all a bunch of scammers.

 

[ivwshane]

lol yep the poors and lower middle class are all a bunch of scammers.

The word "all" or its equivalent appears no where in my posts. You'll have to pick a new straw man pops.

 

[EduCat]

The word "all" or its equivalent appears no where in my posts. You'll have to pick a new straw man pops.

Just save us all the trouble and give us the percent of scammer poors that you're working with in your head. 95%?

 

[ivwshane]

Just save us all the trouble and give us the percent of scammer poors that you're working with in your head. 95%?

The point, you fucking moron, is that everyone's costs go up because people who don't pay their ER bills get their costs passed on to paying consumers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceja...lls-rise-to-41-billion-annually/#14863ca819ea

Do you think 41 billion doesn't affect the costs of health care?

 

[EduCat]

The point, you fucking moron, is that everyone's costs go up because people who don't pay their ER bills get their costs passed on to paying consumers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceja...lls-rise-to-41-billion-annually/#14863ca819ea

Do you think 41 billion doesn't affect the costs of health care?

I'm sure everyone knows how insurance works lmao thanks for the relevant information. Less paying in = higher cost. Except we had more people paying into insurance than ever and we had record high premiums. w t f m8? doctors actually had to treat and insurance companies actually had to pay? Cry me a river. I am not even sure what you are arguing for in this thread.

As far as hospital costs, you may or may not be right about that. I'll just assume it's true as well. Obviously with for-profit hospitals this might be a plausible scenario. You think if everyone paid their bills healthcare costs would go down though? lol yep sure thing. It would only cause a need for higher profits the next year, and the next year. If I walk in and pay cash is it cheaper to get an MRI of my busted knee today, or was it cheaper 10 years ago? I dont know, you tell me. And besides, even WITH insurance, for major things you are being asked for money upfront now a lot of the time.

I don't really have a solution, all I know is I hope the ACA is repackaged with the good things and has the BS removed. I will 100% admit that I only saw a list of the things that they removed, like pre-existing conditions, employer mandate, etc. I did not explore enough to see if they have rolled out their own plan or anything like that. Everyone should be mad about the pre-existing conditions, if nothing else. That really saved peoples lives in critical fucking moments. It allowed them to be free and pursue happiness again in most cases, a basic right all humans deserve.

Universal healthcare? That just means cheap, good healthcare to me. $0-$25/month for general access. Is it possible? I have no idea, I'm just a laymen. If I was president I would try to work it out though. Taxes, or hell, I'd ring up the ole fed reserve and tell'em to fire up the printers, hit ctrl+p, and put it into the healthcare accnt. When they ask why I'll kindly, in a Donald Trump sort of way, tell them not to ask such questions. I dont give af. And who knows, maybe our new president won't either! We'll make China pay for it!

Do I want fenix to die because of clogged insides when he doesnt have insurance? Nope. Do I care that he paid 2k on it and was let off of the rest? Not at all. Do I feel sad for hospitals that they have to eat the cost? Nah not really. If I owned the hospital yea Im sure I'd be all about the dolla bills yall, but again, I'm just a laymen. Some of them profit into the hundreds of millions of dollars off sick people so we'll call it good karma for them. Non-profits? Sure, we have to figure it out, tough situation we have. Those that are in the healthcare business to actually heal people are angels tho. Prices of everything going up, wages stagnating, what do you expect. This problem is not just bound to healthcare. Healthcare (and education to an extent) as a commodity will always make it a struggle.

You want a nation of people that can do things? You feed them, educate them, and make sure they are healthy. (That means physically, emotionally, and mentally.) No man, woman, or child left behind, no matter the cost. That, along with a system of opportunity will create tremendous things like we have seen in the past.

Yeesh, sorry for the wall of text. Anyway gl hf I hope something better comes out of this.

 

[bshole]

Lolol let me guess, you have never been uninsured or poor. Classic irony, simpleton.

...and that you have obviously never visited an emergency room or did a simple google search. This information is not a secret. Page after page of links talking about his exact thing and you can't be bothered to check. Apparently you would rather make bald assertions based on nothing other than your own ignorance.

I am going to help you out here. poor uninsured emergency room..... go plug that into google and report your results. The following is from the first two links that popped up for me.

One of the drivers of high health care costs in the United States is the use of emergency rooms (ER) for preventable conditions by patients who generally come from the most vulnerable populations. Estimated to cost as much as $30.8 billion a year in a recent Health Affairs study, avoidable ER use is a primary target for experts seeking to reduce health care costs.

Moreover, hospital emergency departments (EDs) are the only part of the health care system that is required by federal law to provide care to all patients, regardless of ability to pay.[1] A sizable number of patients who visit the ED do not require the level of care that an emergency room provides. In Maryland, for example, patients with non-urgent medical problems account for over 40 percent of ED visits.[2]

 

[Jaskalas]

trump said the other day everyone would be covered. I would be loling in tears if we get universal healthcare from trump.

At this point, UHC seems far removed from the "free market" being spoken of by his Cabinet and Congress critters.

 

[Jhhnn]

They will receive a large bill for it. Didn't you just read above about Fenix getting a 15k bill when he went to the ER uninsured?

Now if we are going to have a discussion on people defaulting on their bills then we have a rather large discussion ahead of us.

And... the bill is ultimately written off as a loss because... wait for it... you can't get blood out of a turnip.

 

[Jhhnn]

At this point, UHC seems far removed from the "free market" being spoken of by his Cabinet and Congress critters.

It demonstrates the utter insincerity of Repub leadership & the mindless devotion of their base.