Will there be an uproar when Obamacare is repealed?

[glenn1]

Sure there will be an uproar, I'll be so excited about the money I'll no longer have taken away to pay for some poor's healthcare to notice the dead poor's body on the sidewalk and then I'll get him/her on my shoes.

 

[PokerGuy]

CNN has an article titled "Please Don't take My Health Coverage." They interviewed a person who voted for Trump but they still want their Obamacare.

Go figure.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that fake news purveyor CNN would having such lib tripe on their front page!

As of last month, according to RCP the people support repealing obummercare by a pretty wide margin. Why would there be an uproar if the new administration does what the majority of people (and most definitely their voter base) wants them to do??

Basically, the public wants certain elements of the law, but not the whole 2000+ page heap of garbage. The trick is to figure out how to pay for the parts the people want. That's what the individual mandate was for.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Seriously, are you like 13 y.o.? What is that drivel supposed to mean? As an analogy, it seriously sucks to the point of being meaningless at best.

Republicans didn't want Obamacare, they didn't vote for Obamacare and yet you blame them for the Obamacare failure because they didn't help in their own screwing. It fits to me.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that fake news purveyor CNN would having such lib tripe on their front page!

As of last month, according to RCP the people support repealing obummercare by a pretty wide margin. Why would there be an uproar if the new administration does what the majority of people (and most definitely their voter base) wants them to do??

Basically, the public wants certain elements of the law, but not the whole 2000+ page heap of garbage. The trick is to figure out how to pay for the parts the people want. That's what the individual mandate was for.

Because that's not what a majority of people actually want them to do? If you expand the question from a binary choice you actually find the percentage of people who just want the law repealed is quite low:

http://kff.org/health-reform/press-...divided-on-future-of-the-affordable-care-act/

 

[cliftonite]

Sure there will be an uproar, I'll be so excited about the money I'll no longer have taken away to pay for some poor's healthcare to notice the dead poor's body on the sidewalk and then I'll get him/her on my shoes.

lol

 

[PokerGuy]

Because that's not what a majority of people actually want them to do? If you expand the question from a binary choice you actually find the percentage of people who just want the law repealed is quite low:

http://kff.org/health-reform/press-...divided-on-future-of-the-affordable-care-act/

Why would "expanding the question" be more valid? Based on the RCP information , most people favor repealing the law. Period. Unless those polls are simply wrong (and they very well could be as with any polling). Very simple question "do you favor repealing the law or not".

 

[jackstar7]

Why would "expanding the question" be more valid? Based on the RCP information , most people favor repealing the law. Period. Unless those polls are simply wrong (and they very well could be as with any polling). Very simple question "do you favor repealing the law or not".

So for something as complex and complicated as national healthcare you think simplicity and binary thinking is more useful? That's telling.

 

[fskimospy]

Why would "expanding the question" be more valid? Based on the RCP information , most people favor repealing the law. Period. Unless those polls are simply wrong (and they very well could be as with any polling). Very simple question "do you favor repealing the law or not".

Because expanding the question reflects the actual options available? How isn't that obvious? Also more importantly I just realized that the polls listed by RCP that you linked are three years old or more. lol.

When actually presented with the options that exist most people do not favor repealing the law. Period. They also don't favor repealing it when asked more recently than 2013. hahaha.

 

[VRAMdemon]

McConnell and Ryan are fully aware of the repeal's political danger and the toll it will take on many people's lives, but they feel they have no choice. They see themselves as trapped in their own rhetoric. They totally lack an understanding of leadership that puts country before party, and are unable to rise above it. All they know how to do is to blame they're political enemys somehow, and that seems to be what they're busy working on.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans won't complain. They'll suffer in silence rather than admit they hosed themselves again, like they have been doing for 40 years.
Meanwhile:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shing-and-undoing-obamacare-may-make-it-worse

Rural facilities, which typically have lower margins, are the most vulnerable, and their closures have a societal impact -- forcing patients to travel to get emergency care. More than 600 rural hospitals are at risk of closing because of their finances and, at current closure rates, more than a quarter of them will shut down in less than 10 years, according to the National Rural Healthcare Association, which tracks the number.

Related health services also suffer when a hospital shuts down, said Mark Holmes, director of the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program, a nonprofit academic research center.

“The hospital is the nexus of the health system,” he said. “If it leaves town, the physicians who attend there are going to leave too.”

 

[vi edit]

I don't really like that bloomberg article. It doesn't really hit at the business shift in the medical industry. Large organizations are absorbing huge piles of physician groups and the smaller regional care centers. Things are turning into a spoke & hub system where the hub is a massive medical center with every specialty under the sun available to it. The spokes are there for simply intake, referral and follow ups. They aren't really meant to be acute care settings and have "beds". That's not where the model is moving. Centers like the one described in the article simply can't pay specialists enough to provide a full range of services. For something like the OR it's not just about building a room. It's about having competent surgical nurses, surgeons, anesthesia staff and all of the other supporting ancillaries to go with it. Those are very expensive positions and the patient volume just isn't there to support the model.

 

[VRAMdemon]

This is the plan Republicans will use to replace the Affordable Care Act.

1. Copy the Affordable Care Act almost totally verbatim.

2. Rename it the Totally Responsible Universal Medical Provisions Act. (TRUMP Act)

Democrats would support it because it still actually helps people, and Republicans would support it because they'd actually believe they've "won" something.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is the plan Republicans will use to replace the Affordable Care Act.

1. Copy the Affordable Care Act almost totally verbatim.

2. Rename it the Totally Responsible Universal Medical Provisions Act. (TRUMP Act)

Democrats would support it because it still actually helps people, and Republicans would support it because they'd actually believe they've "won" something.

I agree with the disclaimer that some fees will be tax deductible to help out the suffering rich guys, they'll just add the negative income to the deficit. They'll also add being able to buy out of state insurance which will be completely useless because insurers and States don't want to deal with the complexity or you'll be able to buy a cheaper out of state policy but nobody will want to because the Doctor/Hospital network will will not exist in your State.

 

[Brainonska511]

They'll also add being able to buy out of state insurance which will be completely useless because insurers and States don't want to deal with the complexity or you'll be able to buy a cheaper out of state policy but nobody will want to because the Doctor/Hospital network will will not exist in your State.

If they copied the ACA verbatim, they wouldn't need to add this part since it is already there. No one takes advantage of it though for the very reasons you stated, even in cases where a few states have tried to normalize their regulations with one-another.

 

[OverVolt]

Regulate hospitals and demand they buy multi-hundred-million dollar software and equipment systems to comply with Obamacare, and then expect costs to drop when every hospital has hundreds of millions of extra debt hanging over their heads now.

Go figure. Almost like a fraction of every surgery, pill, and doctor visit goes toward paying off the $100millin in debt incurred trying to comply with Obamacare EHR's. Funny how money work like that tho. Almost like no matter how much you lie the numbers still have to add up because hospitals can't run perpetual deficits.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Regulate hospitals and demand they buy multi-hundred-million dollar software and equipment systems to comply with Obamacare, and then expect costs to drop when every hospital has hundreds of millions of extra debt hanging over their heads now.

Go figure. Almost like a fraction of every surgery, pill, and doctor visit goes toward paying off the $100millin in debt incurred trying to comply with Obamacare EHR's. Funny how money work like that tho. Almost like no matter how much you lie the numbers still have to add up because hospitals can't run perpetual deficits.

Yeah they should use paper its nearly free dammit!

 

[First]

Regulate hospitals and demand they buy multi-hundred-million dollar software and equipment systems to comply with Obamacare, and then expect costs to drop when every hospital has hundreds of millions of extra debt hanging over their heads now.

Go figure. Almost like a fraction of every surgery, pill, and doctor visit goes toward paying off the $100millin in debt incurred trying to comply with Obamacare EHR's. Funny how money work like that tho. Almost like no matter how much you lie the numbers still have to add up because hospitals can't run perpetual deficits.

Boy, you repeat this lie a lot.

 

[Double Trouble]

The polls that I saw back in December showed only a small percentage wanted to chuck the law without replacing it. A majority of people wanted to repeal it but replace it with something that includes some of the basic popular tenets. I don't know how they'd be able to pay for that without the individual mandate, unless they just have taxpayer pick up the tab through more government deficit spending.

If that's accurate, then Trump would be very smart to put everything in place to repeal it, but then put something together to replace it before pulling the trigger.

I favor repealing Obamacare, but the healthcare system does need a serious overhaul. There's no need for a massive and complex set of laws for this. Handle specific things through smaller more measured targeted laws rather than one massive piece of legislation.

 

[kage69]

There will certainly be a bit of a shock for poor red-staters when ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid are gutted.

Good thing they have healthy eatin habits!

 

[ivwshane]

The polls that I saw back in December showed only a small percentage wanted to chuck the law without replacing it. A majority of people wanted to repeal it but replace it with something that includes some of the basic popular tenets. I don't know how they'd be able to pay for that without the individual mandate, unless they just have taxpayer pick up the tab through more government deficit spending.

If that's accurate, then Trump would be very smart to put everything in place to repeal it, but then put something together to replace it before pulling the trigger.

I favor repealing Obamacare, but the healthcare system does need a serious overhaul. There's no need for a massive and complex set of laws for this. Handle specific things through smaller more measured targeted laws rather than one massive piece of legislation.

Can you show me a country that embodies what you are talking about?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I just want to know what's going to happen to people with pre-existing conditions.

Is obesity a "pre-existing condition"? According to Oblamacare folks, apparently it is.

 

[KMFJD]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._5876e523e4b05b7a465dd4ee?section=us_politics

Bernie Sanders Verified account‏ @SenSanders
If the ACA is repealed, the wealthiest 400 families would receive a tax cut worth an average of $7 million each.

Rich getting richer and poor->middle class getting squeezed even further

 

[theeedude]

Regulate hospitals and demand they buy multi-hundred-million dollar software and equipment systems to comply with Obamacare, and then expect costs to drop when every hospital has hundreds of millions of extra debt hanging over their heads now.

Go figure. Almost like a fraction of every surgery, pill, and doctor visit goes toward paying off the $100millin in debt incurred trying to comply with Obamacare EHR's. Funny how money work like that tho. Almost like no matter how much you lie the numbers still have to add up because hospitals can't run perpetual deficits.

Is that why hospitals want the ACA to stay in place?

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't know how they'd be able to pay for that without the individual mandate, unless they just have taxpayer pick up the tab through more government deficit spending.

Individual mandate is simply the retard's approach to regressively tax people.
Placing healthcare on our budget / currency is the only way to ensure we can afford healthcare.
It's huge, it's messy, but we can cut costs and find balance as other nations have done.

 

[Meghan54]

You so funny....you stoopid funny!

Individual mandate is simply the retard's approach to regressively tax people.
Placing healthcare on our budget / currency is the only way to ensure we can afford healthcare.
It's huge, it's messy, but we can cut costs and find balance as other nations have done.