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Will the next stimulus bill be passed by March 14? And, when will this end?

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BTW, I never said Republicans give a damn about the average worker either. Regular working people that have a brain can see that they have actually have NO party that is working for their interests. It's all lip service.
 
crashtech said:
Okay. I suppose we live or die by "approved sources" these days. Here's one that matches my recollection of the time:

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Do you not recall the back and forth Pelosi did with Mnuchin on this topic? You seem to be missing or not recalling a ton of the story.


crashtech said:
BTW, I never said Republicans give a damn about the average worker either. Regular working people that have a brain can see that they have actually have NO party that is working for their interests. It's all lip service.
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Sure but to paint them as equal is idiotic. You get that right?
 
zzyzxroad said:
Do you not recall the back and forth Pelosi did with Mnuchin on this topic? You seem to be missing or not recalling a ton of the story.
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It's possible you are right. What is undeniable to an unbiased observer is they have played politics with this long enough. My point was that it was somewhat understandable during an election cycle, but enough is enough.
 
Mai72 said:
We can''t just keep on giving people unemployment benefits and stimulus checks forever.
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So long as this nation is productive, Basic Income can (and should) be a permanent fixture of sustaining consumers. Such policy can be deficit neutral and remain "forever". It would also fuel opportunities and risk taking, driving entrepreneurship and freedom of expression like never imagined. Freedom of location too. It is the sort of liberty Americans can only dream of, because of opposition in Washington protecting the fat cats and the status quo. As our entire system slowly decays into ruin around us. We need such policy now more than ever, and our need grows by the year.

The future of Capitalism is to continue slashing labor, we need policy that can adapt with and outlast automation. Policy that understands human beings are more than just hired servants to be chafed raw to the bone. We are not machines to be used, abused, and discarded like trash. Sustainability is a human right, and a dire necessity sorely missing from our lives.

We all need policy that says we are simply human. With compassion and benefits for all.
 
crashtech said:
It's possible you are right. What is undeniable to an unbiased observer is they have played politics with this long enough. My point was that it was somewhat understandable during an election cycle, but enough is enough.
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I am 100% right and your election cycle talk is nonsense. Remember we were in a global catastrophe that one side painted as a farce. Reevaluate why you have the opinions you do please.
 
zzyzxroad said:
I am 100% right and your election cycle talk is nonsense. Remember we were in a global catastrophe that one side painted as a farce. Reevaluate why you have the opinions you do please.
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Well, I don't think you've given me any reason to reevaluate my opinion, yet. You do seem really sure of yourself, though. I congratulate you on being useless to talk to.
 
crashtech said:
Well, I don't think you've given me any reason to reevaluate my opinion, yet. You do seem really sure of yourself, though. I congratulate you on being useless to talk to.
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You have no recollection of the negotiation? If not why are you posting?

"It's possible you are right?" - crashtech

You already acknowledged I might be right so are you backtracking on your ignorance? The negotiation between Pelosi did with Mnuchin is documented so please read up on it before you reply again.
 
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Jaskalas said:
...We are not machines to be used, abused, and discarded like trash...
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We are if it's consensual. Lots of people give consent, explicit or implicit, to be treated like garbage. I don't think we've come up with a societal antidote for that.
 
crashtech said:
There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October. It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election. What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
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You are an idiot. The reason that bill wasn't accepted by the democrates was because of the liability protection it included for businesses. Then the Republicans agreed to remove it and they where inches away from agreeing, Trump said no, and the talks where halted on the 11th hour.
 
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So let’s say I have some unexamined assumptions I hold, say that both parties are owned by the 1% and that anywhere where there appears talk of helping the little guy from any one side elicits the inner reaction, ‘bull shit’. Now I am all set to point out that fact say when the majority party has trouble time wise passing legislation based on the above mentioned assumptions and then contradictory information is thrown in my face when I make that claim. Now I am all primed to play victim. I was challenged as to the validity of my sacred little cow and my feelings got hurt and that makes all of you who don’t believe as I do to look to me as if you are very mean. Please be nicer to us snowflakes and stop being so coldly logical and reasonable. I see the world through my feelings and equate when they hurt to evil. I am a victim here. And don’t call me a big snowflake baby or I will throw a tantrum.

God I remember the rage of self contempt I felt when I realized this is how I am.
 
The house passed tons of stuff from '18-'20 that the Senate didn't even bother looking at. Covid relief was no different. Trump and the Senate could've worked with the House to make it happen, whatevs.
 
crashtech said:
What? Have you added anything to this thread at all? Do you even care what it's about?
Why hasn't something been passed now that Dems own the federal government? Can you present anything that indicates they give a damn about the common worker, other than empty lip service at this point?
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So you're saying you don't know how the federal government operates? Sounds about right for a conservative. They don't OWN the government. They would need like 9 to 10 more senators to do that. Plus they don't OWN the Supreme Court, although that isn't a part of our government one should OWN, in my opinion.
 
crashtech said:
There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October. It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election. What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
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~50 days from inauguration to signing of a bill of this size is extremely fast.
 
sportage said:
BUT.... many liberals in congress DO NOT like that this happened. The elimination of the wage increase from the Biden bill. THEY expect the parliamentarian to be over-ruled or for VP Harris to object and reject then over-rule the parliamentarian ( as I understand it). So here is where we are at... with the wage having been removed, and with many democrats in the congress NOT liking this move, I fully expect those democrats to NOT support the stripped-down bill because THEY INSIST on that 15 dollar wage to be INCLUDED. So, don't be surprised if those determined democrats are willing to derail the entire train off the tracks simply because THE CAN NOT get their way. Seriously.... this 15 dollar wage MEANS A LOT to some of those democrats AND they have been working on this wage increase for YEARS and YEARS. They do not think of this as a wage increase, they think of this as WAGE EQUALITY. Wage equality, for those people who have suffered existing on a poverty wage for years while the top 1% have enjoyed their incomes going up and up and up administration after administration. So.... DO NOT underestimate the determination AND PURE ANGER over the wage increase having been stripped out of the stimulus. THEY ARE PISSED and they will absolutely BLOCK this bill, ALL OF IT, if they can not get their way with the wage. Just a warning, mind you, that when this all falls apart in the house and democrats wonder WHAT THE F...ing HELL HAPPENED, now you know. And all the while as republicans in congress rejoice at the complete incompetence of the democratic party get anything done.

PS. Welcome to being a democrat.... 😡
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If you think the bill will be blocked by progressive Democrats due to lack of a $15 minimum wage please list the Democrats you think will do so.
 
crashtech said:
I may possibly be ignorant. But none of the assertions in my original post have actually been addressed.
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are you illiterate?

they were addressed. It was pointed out to you that the republican senate blocked passage of that bill prior to the election. You said that the democrats--Pelosi--were responsible, when Pelosi actually passed it.

You lied, and your lie was addressed. Then, you claim that your point "Wasn't addressed." It could not have been addressed any more directly than it was addressed. The premise of your post was a complete lie, yet you just ignore that. ...are you disappointed that it wasn't more directly pointed out that you lied?
 
ch33zw1z said:
I can only imagine the head lines if it actually happened
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The senate will most likely pass the bill by the end of this week, then the revised bill/conference committee will happen next week.

Sportage is going to be so confused when none of his dire predictions come to pass, but I suspect this will not stop him next time.
 
fskimospy said:
The senate will most likely pass the bill by the end of this week, then the revised bill/conference committee will happen next week.

Sportage is going to be so confused when none of his dire predictions come to pass, but I suspect this will not stop him next time.
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Looking forward to his irrational doom and gloom on the infrastructure bill.
 
crashtech said:
There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October.
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Half-true. The final bill Pelosi passed was $2.2T.

It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election.
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False. As already pointed out, Pelosi passed the bill. In other words, the conclusion that Pelosi withheld a bill that could help "workers" in order to hurt Trump politically is based on lies and ignorance, and refuted by reality.

What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
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The bill has been "fast-tracked" and "full power" is misleading at best.
 
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