Do you not recall the back and forth Pelosi did with Mnuchin on this topic? You seem to be missing or not recalling a ton of the story.Okay. I suppose we live or die by "approved sources" these days. Here's one that matches my recollection of the time:
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COVID-19 Stimulus Package: Pelosi Rejects White House's $1.8 Trillion Proposal
Where are things at with a second COVID-19 stimulus relief plan? On October 10, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rejected a plan by the White House for a $1.8 trillion proposal.heavy.com
Sure but to paint them as equal is idiotic. You get that right?BTW, I never said Republicans give a damn about the average worker either. Regular working people that have a brain can see that they have actually have NO party that is working for their interests. It's all lip service.
It's possible you are right. What is undeniable to an unbiased observer is they have played politics with this long enough. My point was that it was somewhat understandable during an election cycle, but enough is enough.Do you not recall the back and forth Pelosi did with Mnuchin on this topic? You seem to be missing or not recalling a ton of the story.
We can''t just keep on giving people unemployment benefits and stimulus checks forever.
I am 100% right and your election cycle talk is nonsense. Remember we were in a global catastrophe that one side painted as a farce. Reevaluate why you have the opinions you do please.It's possible you are right. What is undeniable to an unbiased observer is they have played politics with this long enough. My point was that it was somewhat understandable during an election cycle, but enough is enough.
Well, I don't think you've given me any reason to reevaluate my opinion, yet. You do seem really sure of yourself, though. I congratulate you on being useless to talk to.I am 100% right and your election cycle talk is nonsense. Remember we were in a global catastrophe that one side painted as a farce. Reevaluate why you have the opinions you do please.
You have no recollection of the negotiation? If not why are you posting?Well, I don't think you've given me any reason to reevaluate my opinion, yet. You do seem really sure of yourself, though. I congratulate you on being useless to talk to.
You have everything you need in your own posts, why include me at all? You'd have to agree that it's just a waste of time.I am 100% right
We are if it's consensual. Lots of people give consent, explicit or implicit, to be treated like garbage. I don't think we've come up with a societal antidote for that....We are not machines to be used, abused, and discarded like trash...
Why reply to the same post twice? Keep up please.You have everything you need in your own posts, why include me at all? You'd have to agree that it's just a waste of time.
You are an idiot. The reason that bill wasn't accepted by the democrates was because of the liability protection it included for businesses. Then the Republicans agreed to remove it and they where inches away from agreeing, Trump said no, and the talks where halted on the 11th hour.There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October. It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election. What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
I don’t think anyone is going to care about your assertions when you’ve already been proven ignorant of the facts on this thread.
What? Have you added anything to this thread at all? Do you even care what it's about?
Why hasn't something been passed now that Dems own the federal government? Can you present anything that indicates they give a damn about the common worker, other than empty lip service at this point?
~50 days from inauguration to signing of a bill of this size is extremely fast.There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October. It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election. What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
~50 days from inauguration to signing of a bill of this size is extremely fast.
If you think the bill will be blocked by progressive Democrats due to lack of a $15 minimum wage please list the Democrats you think will do so.BUT.... many liberals in congress DO NOT like that this happened. The elimination of the wage increase from the Biden bill. THEY expect the parliamentarian to be over-ruled or for VP Harris to object and reject then over-rule the parliamentarian ( as I understand it). So here is where we are at... with the wage having been removed, and with many democrats in the congress NOT liking this move, I fully expect those democrats to NOT support the stripped-down bill because THEY INSIST on that 15 dollar wage to be INCLUDED. So, don't be surprised if those determined democrats are willing to derail the entire train off the tracks simply because THE CAN NOT get their way. Seriously.... this 15 dollar wage MEANS A LOT to some of those democrats AND they have been working on this wage increase for YEARS and YEARS. They do not think of this as a wage increase, they think of this as WAGE EQUALITY. Wage equality, for those people who have suffered existing on a poverty wage for years while the top 1% have enjoyed their incomes going up and up and up administration after administration. So.... DO NOT underestimate the determination AND PURE ANGER over the wage increase having been stripped out of the stimulus. THEY ARE PISSED and they will absolutely BLOCK this bill, ALL OF IT, if they can not get their way with the wage. Just a warning, mind you, that when this all falls apart in the house and democrats wonder WHAT THE F...ing HELL HAPPENED, now you know. And all the while as republicans in congress rejoice at the complete incompetence of the democratic party get anything done.
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I may possibly be ignorant. But none of the assertions in my original post have actually been addressed.
The senate will most likely pass the bill by the end of this week, then the revised bill/conference committee will happen next week.I can only imagine the head lines if it actually happened
Your inferences/assertions were based on faulty facts and understanding of the government process. So, yes, you are ignorant. The question is whether you want to remain so.I may possibly be ignorant. But none of the assertions in my original post have actually been addressed.
The senate will most likely pass the bill by the end of this week, then the revised bill/conference committee will happen next week.
Sportage is going to be so confused when none of his dire predictions come to pass, but I suspect this will not stop him next time.
And finally,. my only concern is when will this end? We can''t just keep on giving people unemployment benefits and stimulus checks forever.
Half-true. The final bill Pelosi passed was $2.2T.There was a 1.8T bill on offer back in October.
False. As already pointed out, Pelosi passed the bill. In other words, the conclusion that Pelosi withheld a bill that could help "workers" in order to hurt Trump politically is based on lies and ignorance, and refuted by reality.It's understandable that Pelosi could not give Trump a win so close to the election.
The bill has been "fast-tracked" and "full power" is misleading at best.What's inexplicable at this point is why this hasn't been fast-tracked with Dems in full power. The delay lends credence to the notion that Dems are no longer the worker's party.
