I can't think of a single presidency where the prediction "something bad is going to happen" has not come true.
Who the hell actually believes psychics?
I can't think of a single presidency where the prediction "something bad is going to happen" has not come true.
Who the hell actually believes psychics?
mooncancook
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OP, I don't know why you are so obsessed with science. Science is useful knowledge, but I don't know about putting faith into science... I mean long ago before we humans know about the word "gravity", we already know what would happen falling off from a cliff. i.e. gravity exists in this world before science. If there is NO science there WILL still be gravity. Science merely gives it a name and an approximating equation to make it more useful to us. The thing is, science has not created anything in this world. Science can make A out of B through some process, but it cannot make something out of nothing. Everything was created on this world already.
As of the question of soul, and what if science proves otherwise, that soul exists, then what? Then ppl who do not believe there is a Creator will come up with a scientific way explaining it also right? Go ahead and think you are different but it doesn't change the fact that humans act all the same.
Finally, for those who think that believing in other than themselves is stupid, I disagree. I mean how trustworthy ourself really is? How many of us can not even keep a simple promise of being on time?
As of the question of soul, and what if science proves otherwise, that soul exists, then what? Then ppl who do not believe there is a Creator will come up with a scientific way explaining it also right? Go ahead and think you are different but it doesn't change the fact that humans act all the same.
Finally, for those who think that believing in other than themselves is stupid, I disagree. I mean how trustworthy ourself really is? How many of us can not even keep a simple promise of being on time?
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1. As far as what science can and cannot do, that is not set in stone. Nothing is impossible. In theory IMO, we could all become gods (in the biblical sense), even though we will not be able to comprehend what that means for a VERY long span of time.
As for making something out of nothing, we can make antimatter. And that's a considerable portion of the process from what my limited knowledge tells me.
2. If science proves that the soul exists, then many religions will be partly proven to be true. If it is proven not to exist, the opposite effect will occur.
3. I never called anyone stupid, and humans, even the best of us, are far from foolproof. However, I do trust myself to do many things. I trust myself to meet deadlines. I trust myself to work hard. I trust myself to take care of myself, etc.
4. I think my beliefs have been misinterpreted. I am religious, if only in a completely secular sense. I believe in god, and all that that entails, and I'm willing to give Jesus the benefit of the doubt unless concrete evidence that he is mortal surfaces.
However, I do not base my opinions on my religion, and I do not live my life to "seek a spot in heaven". I live my life as best as my human sense can tell me to live it. This has served me well in the past, I have no reason to believe it will not continue to do so (If god wills me to do something, There's not much I think I can do about it). I live my religion through my core values. My opinions are a mixture of these values and logic.
I think my beliefs are best summed up in this quote:
I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and by what you decide to do everyday, will make you a good man? or not.
-Hospitaler, Kingdom of Heaven.
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And verndewd: WTF? Please post in engrish at the least please. Or organize your thoughts. Or both. From the little I got I'd like to respond but I have no fricken idea what 90% of your posts mean.
zinfamous
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Originally posted by: verndewd
Zin ,buddy,pal; I am high on the spirit.If you want to call the spirit JD or BC you may be correct ,or you may be incorrect as well.God made it all. We need to be responsible in our use of it
I dont know if anyone has read the book of Thomas ,But thats one seriously intriguing set of ideas. Its been currupted through time thos ,to diminish its use. There are mysoginistic themes in it that are contradictory to other themes within the writing,
Also many people dont know that the swastica was first a hindu symbol and mysticism was aided in its formulation for jews by a hindu sage.
dude...stick wtih a point, or something. you spout out unrelated babble like it has any relevance to the discussion. you've succeeded in showing us that you are a dilletante at best, or simply a stoned high school student that may have read the "Tao of Pooh," and considers themselves a philosphical genius (most likely...)
BTW... the "God put it here for me to smoke" argument sounds like a true stoner. It's a lame argument, and makes no sense. Soooo God also put poison Ivy here for you to get a rash? Well, go rub some all over yourself, as it must be God's design.
Psychic ability is the communication of the spirit,And we all carry the ability but most of us must lie to ourselves and disavow it because it makes less sense that we are more than dirt.
Most that dont believe cannot provide qualified proof that posotive and negative charges in our atomic and subatomic structure should even be able to become as we are much less crawl out of a pool of sludge to begin the trek.
What from a molten prehistoric existence can justify accidental life and create the first bacteria from a state within a vacuum alledgedly produced by a plasmic explosion.
Where is life on the sun? Where is life at millions of degrees? Subject to theory ,and thats all.Create a life form from a cooling of cosmic anything to substantiate this accident. Prove that it becomes as varied as it has.
If you havent lived all these Aeons you can only theorize with the rest of us. If you have not seen god in man you have not opened your eyes. If your own soul has not traveled infinity in your thoughts, then you limit yourself.
If you have not seen you have not looked,and if you have no knowledge ,you have not asked. If you have not felt this inner presence , you have walled up your heart in fear.
Once the obstructions are removed the experience is guaranteed.
Once the eyes are open the vision is amazing; And beyond anything you could ever define.
Sitting in the secure prison of mind that worshippers of matter exist in, offers no window to possibilities of more amazing forms of thought. Existing in the perpetual tunnelling offers no light and no real freedom. There is no light in that tunnel there is only more digging; And while the tunnel appears to widen, it does not.
The tunnel is science. There is no light in the worship of that persuit it does not break the surface to freedom. It becomes even smaller in diameter.
If you believe in god ;listen. And if you do not you will not understand what i am saying ,ever.
and one more thing; Bieng attacked by brilliant minds is awesome in argument. There is truly nothing that defines a persons thought better and forces them to be agressive in their own manner of unfalsification.
More christians should temper themselves with such arguments; At least the ones that can use it to evolve. Having been on both sides of belief is valuable as well to me.
I was christian .agnostic.satanic athiest and then christian again Then I began reading world religion to get beyond the superficial level coupled with A few quantum physics books. and lately microlithography.
I read ancient philosophy,and some books on psychology along with some classic and modern literature.
The persuit was for facts about the human condition ,god, no god, spirituality ,technology ,Power , reason ,I guess the list of my persuit could continue on.
What I have found is that none are superior to another in value; no belief vindicates atrocity ,Nothing will stop man from trying to cover the existential lines he crosses or trying to stop the crossing; Belief is a disciplined state of mind that pays by its doctrines. And its doctrines define the actions and words of the believer.
All manner of action persued via belief is religion, but the religion of science has a methodology most other religions lack and so by default is the most appreciated as it creates new avenues of thought and proves itself.
No other train of thought or discipline is more accurate to its own doctrine. Few can come to their own religion with the same accuracy outside of science.
I am boring myself
More christians should temper themselves with such arguments; At least the ones that can use it to evolve. Having been on both sides of belief is valuable as well to me.
I was christian .agnostic.satanic athiest and then christian again Then I began reading world religion to get beyond the superficial level coupled with A few quantum physics books. and lately microlithography.
I read ancient philosophy,and some books on psychology along with some classic and modern literature.
The persuit was for facts about the human condition ,god, no god, spirituality ,technology ,Power , reason ,I guess the list of my persuit could continue on.
What I have found is that none are superior to another in value; no belief vindicates atrocity ,Nothing will stop man from trying to cover the existential lines he crosses or trying to stop the crossing; Belief is a disciplined state of mind that pays by its doctrines. And its doctrines define the actions and words of the believer.
All manner of action persued via belief is religion, but the religion of science has a methodology most other religions lack and so by default is the most appreciated as it creates new avenues of thought and proves itself.
No other train of thought or discipline is more accurate to its own doctrine. Few can come to their own religion with the same accuracy outside of science.
I am boring myself
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