will removing minimum wage accelerate job growth?

[CADsortaGUY]

You're allergic to the truth. You think it's a surprise that when you tell people their party has an ulterior motive they don't understand, that they don't just say "oh, ok, I corrected that"? Some learn, you don't.

If you actually look at the history of the Republican party and test it for the motive I stated, you will find it matches very well, while they never say this is the reason - bad politics.

So your answer is "no" then I see. The "right" is not always the R party. You didn't post about party so your lame interpretation of what you see as the R history does not support your previous statement.

 

[blackangst1]

No crap, why do we need such a law? It's totally unamerican to pay someone less then what ti costs to live. We abloshied slavery, did we not?

Dictionary.

Invest in one.

 

[Craig234]

I would love to have a chat about the history of the GOP as long as we include the history of the Dems. Deal?

Why not? But the history of the Dems is a very different thing to discuss.

The party has been all over the map at various times. It's had many factions all over the place, such as the boweevils, it's changed its agenda, been an imperialist one minute and anti-imperialist the next.

So, as long as you are prepared to deal with the facts, and not some simplisic falsehoods, why not?

We could start with today, with some of the most corrupt people being Democrats, and almost all of the least corrupt being Democrats as well, in the corporatist and progressive wings.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So, as long as you are prepared to deal with the facts, and not some simplisic falsehoods, why not?

Says the guy who posted :"The right, whose core agenda whether the folllowers know it or not is 'impoverish the masses for the benefit of the rich',"

 

[blackangst1]

Why not? But the history of the Dems is a very different thing to discuss.

The party has been all over the map at various times. It's had many factions all over the place, such as the boweevils, it's changed its agenda, been an imperialist one minute and anti-imperialist the next.

So, as long as you are prepared to deal with the facts, and not some simplisic falsehoods, why not?

And there you have it. You have single handedly identified both major parties. Apperently, since I am of lower caliber, intelligence, and empathy as you therefore WOOSHED over your head, I have made a point you missed: both parties are the same. Wanna know why? Because they are comprised of humans, who, as far back as history will go, all act and think pretty much the same.

Oh except for progressives, Im sure.

 

[Craig234]

Oy vey, the Race to the Bottom should be accelerated? The Comfort level, even during these hard Economic times, in the US is the product of a System. That System does not conform to your Ideological bent simply because you Ideological bent does not work. Replacing the current System with hair brained Ideology will only destroy the quality of Life you take for granted.

Not that the System is perfect and can't be Fine Tuned from time to time, but haphazardly scrapping major tenets of it is done at your own peril.

Spoken like a conservative liberal. And a good point.

Liberals improve things by putting systems in place. People forget why. History repeats.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When I got my first job, I could buy about 6 gallons of gas for an hours work.

I know people who are spending a large portion of their wages just to get back and forth to work.

At some point it makes no sense to show up, because you aren't taking anything home. Cutting minimum wage fixes this how?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Cutting minimum wage fixes this how?

Entry level pay should be unregulated. These jobs are meant to be a learning experience and a place to show what you've got. I'm not going to release my treasure to you until I can trust your integrity and reliability. If I have to pay you top wages to discover your qualifications, I'm not interested.

I'll ship that work overseas.


No adult with responsibilities should still be looking at minimum wage jobs. They should be well beyond that. If they have not been diligent and put a lot into the work, they will end up living under the bridge.

As it should be.

 

[BigDH01]

When I got my first job, I could buy about 6 gallons of gas for an hours work.

I know people who are spending a large portion of their wages just to get back and forth to work.

At some point it makes no sense to show up, because you aren't taking anything home. Cutting minimum wage fixes this how?

Doesn't. Nor was it destined to. We can already look at locations that don't have minimum wages like Hong Kong. Although they achieve high employment rates, nominally, they have a poverty rate nearing 20%, a Gini index above 50, an average of 47 hour work weeks, and are reversing their policies to put a minimum wage in place to combat their current problems.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Americans have become lazy and entitlement minded.

Take a trip to another Nation, Mexico for example, and you will be humbled by the clean honesty and work ethic (especially Mayans) of the people. They haven't been polluted by trial lawyers advertising on various forms of media. All they want is honest work for honest pay. They are realistic about their skills and what they are worth.

Americans have a big problem in my view. You expect much but deliver little. Not all Americans, mind you. I have many hard working honorable people under my command. As a business man, I'm not going to put my treasure at risk for a group of ungrateful bums who hold a lawsuit over my head. Do you bums get that?

Trial lawyers (read crooks) have conspired with innocent and naive people to attempt to strip resources from the business community in an unreasonable way.

If that isn't fixed, Americans are in trouble.

How do I know? I'm the one who will decide who works and who won't.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Americans have become lazy and entitlement minded.

Take a trip to another Nation, Mexico for example, and you will be humbled by the clean honesty and work ethic (especially Mayans) of the people. They haven't been polluted by trial lawyers advertising on various forms of media. All they want is honest work for honest pay. They are realistic about their skills and what they are worth.

Americans have a big problem in my view. You expect much but deliver little. Not all Americans, mind you. I have many hard working honorable people under my command. As a business man, I'm not going to put my treasure at risk for a group of ungrateful bums who hold a lawsuit over my head. Do you bums get that?

Trial lawyers (read crooks) have conspired with innocent and naive people to attempt to strip resources from the business community in an unreasonable way.

If that isn't fixed, Americans are in trouble.

How do I know? I'm the one who will decide who works and who won't.

There are a great many things I don't like, however it's strange that you pick Mexico as a shining example. I mean if you are at the top, that's great. It's a remarkable illustration of what those with power can do to others. Slums, abject poverty, corruption and crime far worse than in the USA.

If Mexico was so wonderful you'd think we'd be the illegal immigrants there. Such is not the case.

I'm not for the reintroduction of a feudal system based on economics. I'll pass.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

There are a great many things I don't like, however it's strange that you pick Mexico as a shining example. I mean if you are at the top, that's great. It's a remarkable illustration of what those with power can do to others. Slums, abject poverty, corruption and crime far worse than in the USA.

If Mexico was so wonderful you'd think we'd be the illegal immigrants there. Such is not the case.

I'm not for the reintroduction of a feudal system based on economics. I'll pass.

I'm just sharing with you the attitude that I observed on a recent study trip. The Mayans are an industrious and clean people. They are looking to contribute and look to the employer to keep them alive.

My group is on the precipice. We are, at this very moment, considering Mexican labor in our group. We have been disappointed by what America has to offer.

I say that with tears streaming down my face! My fellows have abandoned the joy of work for the evil of the lawsuit and the brutal regulatory arm of government.

I will always be ready for a return to wisdom by my fellows.

 

[BigDH01]

I'm just sharing with you the attitude that I observed on a study recent trip. The Mayans are an industrious and clean people. They are looking to contribute and look to the employer to keep them alive.

My group is on the precipice. We are, at this very moment, considering Mexican labor in our group. We have been disappointed by what America has to offer.

I say that with tears streaming down my face! My fellows have abandoned the joy of work for the evil of the lawsuit and the brutal regulatory arm of government.

I will always be ready for a return to wisdom by my fellows.

Yeah, well have fun hiring in Mexico. They have more labor regulations than the US and according to the Heritage Foundation are far less economically free. You can find a list of relevant regulations here:

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/196-mexico-s-labor-market-and-laws

Employee benefits can substantially add to labor costs.

* Profit Sharing - Federal law requires firms to participate in a profit sharing program in which employees receive 10 percent of the firm’s annual profits. Executive officers and general managers often do not participate in this program.
* Christmas Bonus (Aguinaldo) - Firms are also required to pay a year-end Christmas bonus (Aguinaldo) to all employees equivalent to at least two-weeks pay. Those who have worked less than one year receive a pro-rated bonus.
* Legal Holidays - Mexican Federal Labor Law establishes 7 legal paid holidays per year. Besides these holidays many businesses and labor contracts observe additional days for religious and national celebrations.
* Vacation - Vacation time is guaranteed and rewarded based on seniority. Six days of paid vacation must be offered after one year of service, plus two additional days each year for the next three years. By the 5th year of service, this adds up to two weeks of paid vacation. After five years of employment, two more days must be added for each five-year block of service.
* Social Security - All workers are automatically covered by the public health care system the Mexican Institute of Social Security (Instituto Mexicano de Seguro Social, IMSS), whether registered or not. It is the responsibility of the employer to register employees as well as contribute a minimum of 17.42 percent of each worker’s salary, depending on the risk-factor of the job, into the social security fund. Benefits include basic health care and medications, attention to occupational accidents and care for illnesses.
* Employee Housing - Employers also are required to pay a 5 percent fixed payroll tax to finance the Institute for the National Fund for Employee Housing (Instituto Nacional del Fondo de la Vivienda para los Trabajadores, INFONAVIT). The goal of this federal program is to provide benefits allowing employees to more easily acquire a home.
* Retirement Insurance - Under the Retirement Savings System (Sistemas de Ahorro para el Retiro, SAR), employers must pay 2 percent of a worker’s salary (up to 25 times minimum wage) to a retirement fund in a bank account under the worker’s name.

Also, there is a minimum wage and don't forget this little nugget...

TERMINATION OF THE WORK RELATIONSHIP

Terminating a work relationship can be an expensive process. To dismiss a worker without just cause, you must pay him three months salary plus 20 days pay per year of service.

Employees with 15 or more years seniority who leave voluntarily are entitled to a minimum compensation of 12 days pay per year of service since May 1970, when this law went into effect.

Under certain conditions, such as temporary disability or contagious disease, employers may lay-off workers without having to pay severance.

Firing employees without incurring financial compensation is possible only when an employee grossly violates the work relationship. For example: sabotage, flagrantly neglecting safety procedures or working under the influence of controlled substances. Other reasons for which an employer can avoid severance pay include:

* less than one year of service
* completion of the labor contract
* physical or mental disability that prevents a worker from fulfilling his duties.

Written notification within 30 days of the violation stating reasons and effective date of termination is needed to legally fire an employee.

Dismissed employees with two or more years of service have the right to sue for reinstatement. If the employee wins the suit he will regain his job, receive full back pay, and may even receive punitive damages.

Of course, you don't really care about regulation or lawyers or Americans.... you just want cheap labor, which the labor rich country of Mexico will provide. Just don't pretend it's to escape the brutal arm of regulation.

After seeing a few of your posts, I can't help but think you are a caricature of someone. I would say Scrooge, but that character may be a bit complex. Mr Potter perhaps.

 

[Craig234]

BigDH01, thanks for the informative comments.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

After seeing a few of your posts, I can't help but think you are a caricature of someone. I would say Scrooge, but that character may be a bit complex. Mr Potter perhaps.

Hear this, Pal, I'm in the business of delivering what you and others demand.

If you don't like it, prepare to pay way more for goods and services. Are you ready to do that?

 

[BigDH01]

Hear this, Pal, I'm in the business of delivering what you and others demand.

If you don't like it, prepare to pay way more for goods and services. Are you ready to do that?

I'm pretty sure all of us on this board are in the business of supply and demand.

At least with your second sentence you finally admit you just want to lower labor costs, not give away your treasure. I highly suspect that anything you gain in lowered labor costs will not be seen by me in reduced prices. I suspect you just want to see increased margins.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

I suspect you just want to see increased margins.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[sandorski]

I'm pretty sure all of us on this board are in the business of supply and demand.

At least with your second sentence you finally admit you just want to lower labor costs, not give away your treasure. I highly suspect that anything you gain in lowered labor costs will not be seen by me in reduced prices. I suspect you just want to see increased margins.

"Ignore" is such a wonderful creation. So far AE is my first and only poster on The List. He went from Nobody to Complete Waste of Time rather quickly.

 

[BigDH01]

Is that a bad thing?

Depending on your margin, yes. Profits can be used as a measure of macroeconomic inefficiency.

But more practically, if you export your labor to Mexico and don't concurrently reduce the cost of your product, then most Americans would consider this to be a bad thing. While you may dislike Americans, you have given them no reason to like you.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Ignore" is such a wonderful creation. So far AE is my first and only poster on The List. He went from Nobody to Complete Waste of Time rather quickly.

That's good for you. You won't have to endure the emotional pain I am about to deliver.

You are a coward, stupid, unenlightended, close minded, retarded, missing the point, idiotic, a load of garbage and a disingenuous piece of crap.

In addition to that , you have given up the ability to defend yourself.

The rest of us a laughing at your stupid naiveté.

Do you get some sort od
f award for shooting yourself in the foot?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Depending on your margin, yes. Profits can be used as a measure of macroeconomic inefficiency.

But more practically, if you export your labor to Mexico and don't concurrently reduce the cost of your product, then most Americans would consider this to be a bad thing. While you may dislike Americans, you have given them no reason to like you.

Are you serious?

The real world cares nothing about who "likes them".

I'm looking for maximum profit.

Your little mind has been turned to mush by features like "ignore" on this forum.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's good for you. You won't have to endure the emotional pain I am about to deliver.

You are a coward, stupid, unenlightended, close minded, retarded, missing the point, idiotic, a load of garbage and a disingenuous piece of crap.

In addition to that , you have given up the ability to defend yourself.

The rest of us a laughing at your stupid naiveté.

Do you get some sort od
f award for shooting yourself in the foot?

So lets get this right...you now speak for "the rest of us??"........who died and made you spokesperson???
Truth be told we are laughing and have been laughing at you since you decided you were some kind of something who makes some kind of decisions that is suppose to maybe affect those of us who see through your disengenuous diatribe.....

Whats even more laughable is the sob story....and the fake tears........rofl@Avvocato Effetti

 

[BigDH01]

Are you serious?

The real world cares nothing about who "likes them".

I'm looking for maximum profit.

Your little mind has been turned to mush by features like "ignore" on this forum.

Yes, I'm serious.

I know you're looking for profit. Makes me wonder why you were lying earlier about "testing" people before you gave them your treasure. I was assuming you were saying that because you are promoting a policy that is unpopular. When you are promoting such policies, you do want people to like you.

Mush? I'm not ignoring you thus I don't understand your comment. I suppose it was to make yourself feel better?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

So lets get this right...you now speak for "the rest of us??"........who died and made you spokesperson???
Truth be told we are laughing and have been laughing at you since you decided you were some kind of something who makes some kind of decisions that is suppose to maybe affect those of us who see through your disengenuous diatribe.....

Fuck you.

Yes, I'm serious.

I know you're looking for profit. Makes me wonder why you were lying earlier about "testing" people before you gave them your treasure. I was assuming you were saying that because you are promoting a policy that is unpopular. When you are promoting such policies, you do want people to like you.

Mush? I'm not ignoring you thus I don't understand your comment. I suppose it was to make yourself feel better?

Whats even more laughable is the sob story....and the fake tears........rofl@Avvocato Effetti

Come on. You accuse me of lying and then expect a response?
I'll assume you are an inexperienced amateur and will respond.

Americans have a problem. Let's get together and fix it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Fuck you.

Americans have a problem. Let's get together and fix it.

That spirit of solidarity is just shining through here lulz