Will having to register your guns stand up in court?

[gevorg]

registering your guns will make it easier for the government to "take care of you" when SHTF...

 

[schneiderguy]

If a well regulated militia is necessary than registering your guns is definitely legal.

You don't understand what was meant by "well regulated".

 

[xj0hnx]

If I have to register my semi autos under NFA as if they were machine guns they might as will be converted to machine guns...

If not registering then under NFA makes me a felon with illegal weapons anyway, might as well be converted to machine guns.

See where this is going?


Now multiply by 300 million and have a nice day.

Honestly, if they force registration under the NFA, BUT repeal the import ban, repeal the ban on conversions, lower the cost of the tax and overall make it easier to acquire/own Class III firearms, I might consider revising my stance on registration. Barring that however, they get a big ol' FUCK YOU to registration from me. It's none of the government's, nor any other private citizens what legal private property I keep in my home.

 

[schneiderguy]

You have to register to vote and in some states you have to shows multiple forms of ID's. The right didn't have problems with that even though it wasnt needed and affected legal voters and didn't fix an issue they sought to solve.


So now we have a push for this that won't fix a problem and could place a burden on people so where do you righties stand now?



It's a tough one; do you stand by your principals and take it or are you a hypocrite?


Tough one indeed.

I had to show an ID to exercise my right to keep and bear arms.

And undergo a background check.

And pay $25 to the California government for the "privilege" of doing so.

And prove that I was a resident of California.

All of this is not needed, and affects only legal gun owners and doesn't fix any issues they sought to solve. I'm glad we agree.

 

[Texashiker]

Honestly, if they force registration under the NFA, BUT repeal the import ban, lower the cost of the tax

Explain that "lower the cost of the tax" a little more in detail.

Are you talking about sales tax, or a tax on owning a firearm?

 

[schneiderguy]

Honestly, if they force registration under the NFA, BUT repeal the import ban, lower the cost of the tax and overall make it easier to acquire/own Class III firearms, I might consider revising my stance on registration. Barring that however, they get a big ol' FUCK YOU to registration from me. It's none of the government's, nor any other private citizens what legal private property I keep in my home.

The only reason for registration is so they know who has them, so they can take them away.

I do not support registration under any circumstances. Unfortunately in CA, our handguns and "assault weapons" are already registered and our long guns will be registered starting next year.

All registration has accomplished in CA is the following:
1. Provides cops with an excuse to harass you at a traffic stop after their computer shows that you own guns
2. Provides the DOJ with a list of who owns the guns they retroactively decide are illegal.

 

[schneiderguy]

Explain that "lower the cost of the tax" a little more in detail.

Are you talking about sales tax, or a tax on owning a firearm?

The $200 NFA registration fee is a "tax".

 

[exdeath]

Registering you car or getting a SSN doesn't give the government the right to take away your fourth amendment rights to invade your home to inspect it any time they want day or night, doesn't require 6-12 months of waiting, and written approval letters from police chiefs, fingerprints, or add $20,000 to the price of a $250 30 year old car, etc. People who support gun registration, especially NFA, have no clue how bad NFA/BATF is or they wouldn't be comparing it to something stupid like a car registration.

Or maybe they do know, and understand that non transferable NFA registration is effectively an all out ban, and they try to use "registration " to hide and soften their true intent... Hell NFA was sold on the promise that it was just "common sense" to ban machine guns, well never go after your semi autos. Bullshit. NFA was already the middle ground, but the left like to start over as if there is NO gun laws at all instead of seeing how many existing laws there already are, and hence the slippery slope.

Registration is off the table until I can get a legal machine gun as easily as a car. You know, compromises, I give you something (registration) and you give me something in return (abolish NFA/BATF). You want it to be like cars, lets do it. Machine guns and grenades will be just as easy as buying a Corvette instead of the unconstitutional offensiveness it is now.

 

[Texashiker]

The $200 NFA registration fee is a "tax".

Weren't poll taxes struck down by the supreme court?

 

[FerrelGeek]

I bought my Glock 22 and my son's Remington 870 at gun shops. Background check and serial numbers recorded and on file. I have an IN CC permit. Why should I need anything else?

 

[xj0hnx]

Explain that "lower the cost of the tax" a little more in detail.

Are you talking about sales tax, or a tax on owning a firearm?

In order to buy a Class III firearm, a machine gun, suppressor, short barreled rifle, etc ...on top of the cost of the firearm, and sales tax, transfer fees, you have to pay the US Treasury $200 for a special stamp, the number on which is linked to the registered Class III item. Some NFA items are AOW (Any Other Weapon), knife guns, pen guns, short barreled shotguns, and that tax stamp is only $5.

 

[Texashiker]

In order to buy a Class III firearm, a machine gun, suppressor, short barreled rifle, etc ...on top of the cost of the firearm, and sales tax, transfer fees, you have to pay the US Treasury $200 for a special stamp, the number on which is linked to the registered Class III item. Some NFA items are AOW (Any Other Weapon), knife guns, pen guns, short barreled shotguns, and that tax stamp is only $5.

And part of the new gun law is supposed to include such a fee.

Here is the issue, the government can not tax or charge a fee for someone to exercise their rights.

Some firearms are regulated, but a good portion of them are not. Its when people have to pay a fee on all their firearms is when the problem starts.

We do not have to pay a fee to remain silent when questioned by the police.

We do not have to pay a fee for a trial by jury. We may pay a court cost, but when a person is poor those cost can be excused.

We do not have to pay a fee to vote.

We do not pay a fee to go to church.

In fact, poll taxes were struck down.

 

[xj0hnx]

The only reason for registration is so they know who has them, so they can take them away.

I do not support registration under any circumstances. Unfortunately in CA, our handguns and "assault weapons" are already registered and our long guns will be registered starting next year.

All registration has accomplished in CA is the following:
1. Provides cops with an excuse to harass you at a traffic stop after their computer shows that you own guns
2. Provides the DOJ with a list of who owns the guns they retroactively decide are illegal.

I totally agree, I don't see any need for registration at all because, and the tough part here is getting the anti-gun nuts to acknowledge this fact, criminals don't register their guns anyway. So all we end up with is a database of law abiding gun owners, which is as you said is useless.

 

[xj0hnx]

And part of the new gun law is supposed to include such a fee.

Here is the issue, the government can not tax or charge a fee for someone to exercise their rights.

Some firearms are regulated, but a good portion of them are not. Its when people have to pay a fee on all their firearms is when the problem starts.

We do not have to pay a fee to remain silent when questioned by the police.

We do not have to pay a fee for a trial by jury. We may pay a court cost, but when a person is poor those cost can be excused.

We do not have to pay a fee to vote.

We do not pay a fee to go to church.

In fact, poll taxes were struck down.

I completely agree, my statement was kind of tongue in cheek since they aren't going to make it easier to acquire/own machine guns.

 

[ivwshane]

I had to show an ID to exercise my right to keep and bear arms.

And undergo a background check.

And pay $25 to the California government for the "privilege" of doing so.

And prove that I was a resident of California.

All of this is not needed, and affects only legal gun owners and doesn't fix any issues they sought to solve. I'm glad we agree.

Too bad you aren't as vocal with people's right to vote as you are about guns.

Priorities I guess.

 

[highland145]

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[SheHateMe]

OP, can you explain how you don't have to register your children in the US? That was pretty funny!


I'm pretty sure getting a Birth Certificate and being assigned a SSN constitutes being "registered"

 

[Texashiker]

OP, can you explain how you don't have to register your children in the US? That was pretty funny!


I'm pretty sure getting a Birth Certificate and being assigned a SSN constitutes being "registered"

The Birth Certificate and SSN after the fact.

And what happens if you do not have a SS number? Nothing, you just have problems getting a job. Its not like the government is going to throw you in jail.

 

[soundforbjt]

Why should people have to register to vote?

 

[Texashiker]

Why should people have to register to vote?

To make sure you dont vote twice, or three times, or 4 times, or 5 times,,,,.

 

[ivwshane]

To make sure you dont vote twice, or three times, or 4 times, or 5 times,,,,.

Registering doesn't stop that.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Do you have to register your hunting knife and chain saw? Chain Saws probably kill more people than guns. Of course, 500 people were killed in Chicago in one year where they had a gun ban. The problem is not guns, it is the people with a total lack of morality.

Is it just me or is this statement so laughably ignorant that we can safely disregard everything else piasabird has to say, on any topic? Anyone this stupid/gullible doesn't belong in an adult discussion forum.

 

[ivwshane]

Is it just me or is this statement so laughably ignorant that we can safely disregard everything else piasabird has to say, on any topic? Anyone this stupid/gullible doesn't belong in an adult discussion forum.

Your concern should be with those that haven't already disregarded everything he says. Who are those people? How scary would it be to live in their mind?

 

[xj0hnx]

Is it just me or is this statement so laughably ignorant that we can safely disregard everything else piasabird has to say, on any topic? Anyone this stupid/gullible doesn't belong in an adult discussion forum.

There were 31,513 firearm related deaths in 2010 (17,352 of which were suicides), 75714 firearm related injuries, there are approximately 40,000 annual chainsaw related injury/deaths per year. Granted, there are probably a LOT more injuries than deaths from chainsaws, kind of hard to find any exact figures, or sources for recent figures. How many people carry, or even use, chainsaws on a daily basis compared to firearms?

 

[lotus503]

There were 31,513 firearm related deaths in 2010 (17,352 of which were suicides), 75714 firearm related injuries, there are approximately 40,000 annual chainsaw related injury/deaths per year. Granted, there are probably a LOT more injuries than deaths from chainsaws, kind of hard to find any exact figures, or sources for recent figures. How many people carry, or even use, chainsaws on a daily basis compared to firearms?

I'd wager more people use chainsaws daily than guns. Probably a lot more carry guns than chainsaws though.