I think the purpose of terrorist attacks is to kill as many people as possible, though I could be wrong. During WTC1, if they had a nuke, they would have used it. It doesn't matter whether they hate us more after Iraq or hate us less if we didn't go to Iraq. They hate us and will do whatever it take to kill as many of us Infidels as possible and by whatever means possible.
I think the purpose of terrorist attacks is to kill as many people as possible, though I could be wrong. During WTC1, if they had a nuke, they would have used it. It doesn't matter whether they hate us more after Iraq or hate us less if we didn't go to Iraq. They hate us and will do whatever it take to kill as many of us Infidels as possible and by whatever means possible.
Yes, I know about Britain. But my point was to point out the other countries that had nothing to do with the war. Why were they attacked?
Your just so wrong. There is a difference between not liking and hating. We had the moral right to go into Afghanistan after the training camps that were allowed to operate by the goverment at the time. We should have did it right, captured OBL and we'd be home by now.
No, the purpose of terrorist attacks is to instill FEAR in as many people as possible. Such as when a blind group of citizens is content with hiding under the bed, scared to death, more than willing to let their rights be taken away in exchange for "not being dead".
So the solution, of course, is to kill as many of those ****** fsckers as possible (since any one of them could be a terrist) because "we're the boss and everyone needs to get the message".
Are you saying that they would not nuke the whole country if they had the power to?
Are you saying that they are sitting in their caves laughing at how we are scared to go to the mall?
What would you do if there were no police around and your next door neighbor wants to kill you and cannot be reasoned with?
I don't belielve OBL can controls the minds of all the fanatics out there. Are you saying if OBL is captured or killed, all the rest of the fanatics and Koran will change and love Infidels and see them in a different light?
No, I'm saying the more we use violence to try and control the situation the worse we make it. We had to react to the WTC collapse, but we shouldn't have went into Iraq all by ourselves. It was about the stupidest thing we could have done.
What do you believe is our problem with all the terrorists? Why do they hate us? What is your solution? Once you can answer those questions without biased, Iraq will seem like a reasonable plan.
LOL, you really have a strong argument, all question. If you have something to say, then say it.
Come on now, you didn't answer the question. Most of the bashing and rhetoric that I see is all based on irrational political and idealogy instead of using logic. You guys bicker and complain about this and that but when it comes to solving a problem, you guys have no idea.
We have a problem and the president is solving it. Now if you think there is a better solution, then by all means present it. I'm not saying that we should follow our leaders blindly. Bush is not the perfect president, he can't give a speech if his life depends on it. But giving a speech is not as important as making the right decisions. You guys should take away labels of Democrat or Republican, or Conservative or Liberal, Christians and Muslims because all that is causing is blind hatred. You guys are hating Bush the same reason why Muslims hate Christians. The less things that there are that divides us, the more peace and logic there will be.
I have lots of ideas. Too bad Bush didn't care to hear them, I could have saved this country a lot of grief.
Sorry, but I have better things to do then play your stupid game. I could lead you to water, but I can't make you drink so what'sa the point?
Game? What game? Just pointing out that all your reasonings for hating Bush is based on idealogy instead of reasoning.
It's like me trying to convince a Green Bay Packer fan that the Dallas Cowboys are better.
Point? STOP BEING A FAN-ATIC!
Nice compassionate conservatism there. You do realize this war has killed about a 1/3 of the number of Iraqis in only 3 years that Saddam killed in over 30 years (the bulk of those being in putting down rebellions)?
Wow, quite the Muslim hater, aren't you? Last I knew there were millions of Muslims in the US living quite peacefully here amongst the "Infidels".
Uh, doing something is what got us in trouble in the first place. Iraq is the result of intervention after intervention after intervention. It's time to take our guns and go home.
"War costs money but its for our safety, hence why no attacks on US soil after 9/11. "
That is the most nonsensical asusmption I have ever heard... there were no attacks on US soil between 1993 and 2001.. does that mean we were safer? Give me a break.
We are now in Iraq with over 25 THOUSAND U.S. casualties and over 2000 U.S. deaths... Terrorism around the world has SPIKED tremendously since we invaded... 10s of people die every day in Iraq.
What was the correct solution? THe correct solution would have been to do a MUCH BETTER job in Afghanistan and to have stayed focused on Bin Laden. If you have not done so, please read books on how Afghanistan was undertaken. It was a strategical and military disaster in which we let people in CAVES escape accross the borders of Afghanistan. Iraq had the most progressive rights for women out of all of the muslim countries... now, their rights are worse off. More Iraqis have died in the last 4 years than Saddam had killed in the previous decade.
The next move should have been to secure our borders make sure MORE THAN 5% of IMPORTS ARE INSPECTED! We should be adding policemen/firemen instead of CUTTING THEM from our states. We should have created a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to deal with any terrorist disasters. Instead of a plan, we had an AWFUL organizational response to Katrina, something that we knew would happen DAYS BEFOREHAND!
Since these BASIC issues have not been addressed, we are left with terrorist attacks spiking around the world, American rights being trampled, fear being used for political purposes only(day before the democratic convention anyone?), Al Qaeda membership spiking, governments around the world are now against us, Hamas has been given power in Palestine(partially due to Arab backlash to the occupation of Iraq), one trillion more dollars in debt, an abandment by the U.S. of the U.N., and ports being sold to companies with KNOWN TERRORIST LINKS TO 9/11!
Would you like me to continue? Do you HONESTLY believe we are safer? How aloof are you? Take a look around...
I am neither conservative nor liberal so please don't label me.
How many people we killed compared to Sadam has to do with what? Was Saddam at war with his own country? Maybe you misunderstand what goes on in a war.
I'm not the muslim hater. I treat people how people treat me.
As for muslims living peacefully here. Maybe they aren't high in numbers yet, therefore, they are smarter than to try that here (what they did in France)? Maybe because this is a free country with freedom of religion where you aren't being force taught religion like the middle east? When you see most of the terrorists attacks from around the world relate to Islam. One with rationale would identify the problem and find the solution.
as for 1EzDuzIt. Read. It works wonders. You show that you know nothing more than a casual World News Tonight viewer by your posts.
and I guess yeah we shouldn't have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, we should have let the havens of anti-american sentiment make deals with other anti-american nations such as n. korea, develop nuclear programs, acquire missles that let them send their nuclear weapons farther than we thought they could so that the next time its a nuke that's dropped in London, Frankfurt, Madrid, or NYC, not just a plane crashing into a building.
And we should sit around and let these countries such as the taliban in Afghanistan, Hussein in Iraq and Iran? Is it me or didn't Iraq throw out multiple UN weapons inspectors? and isn't Iran doing the same thing right now? AND, you have countries like Russia who are even helping Iran enrich Uranium [but Iran just wants it for power...]...
You can come back and say that we backed Iraq, and we backed the Taliban... do you realize hindsight is 20/20, or just have tunnel vision?
It's not that these countries are linked together by religion or anything like that... they are havens for terrorist organizations!
and I guess yeah we shouldn't have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, we should have let the havens of anti-american sentiment make deals with other anti-american nations such as n. korea, develop nuclear programs, acquire missles that let them send their nuclear weapons farther than we thought they could so that the next time its a nuke that's dropped in London, Frankfurt, Madrid, or NYC, not just a plane crashing into a building.
And we should sit around and let these countries such as the taliban in Afghanistan, Hussein in Iraq and Iran? Is it me or didn't Iraq throw out multiple UN weapons inspectors? and isn't Iran doing the same thing right now? AND, you have countries like Russia who are even helping Iran enrich Uranium [but Iran just wants it for power...]...
You can come back and say that we backed Iraq, and we backed the Taliban... do you realize hindsight is 20/20, or just have tunnel vision?
It's not that these countries are linked together by religion or anything like that... they are havens for terrorist organizations!
funny, My Dad said the same thing to me and I agree with him he will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the worst presidents, think of all the great things he's done for us like putting us in the biggest national dept in the history of the world!(note the sarcasm).
and he still has a few years left, maybe he can make his term even worse.
<q>We are now in Iraq with over 25 THOUSAND U.S. casualties and over 2000 U.S. deaths... Terrorism around the world has SPIKED tremendously since we invaded... 10s of people die every day in Iraq. </q>
What war do you know of with less casualties than this besides the cold war?
<q>What was the correct solution? THe correct solution would have been to do a MUCH BETTER job in Afghanistan and to have stayed focused on Bin Laden. If you have not done so, please read books on how Afghanistan was undertaken. It was a strategical and military disaster in which we let people in CAVES escape accross the borders of Afghanistan. Iraq had the most progressive rights for women out of all of the muslim countries... now, their rights are worse off. More Iraqis have died in the last 4 years than Saddam had killed in the previous decade.
</q>
People complain we are spending too much money on the war. Yet, you want us to have more troops on the ground which would cost more money.
And again, if we capture or killed Bin Laden, does it change how the fanatics feel about us?
Women have less rights in Iraq now than before? What rights have been taken away?
Again, Saddam was never at war with Iraq. We are, therefore more people would die now than during Saddam's rule. That is the price of war.
I think we are not seeing eye to eye because you don't see the problem yet. Question is, why is the world being terrorized by these fanatics? Why do they hate us? Once you find that answer, you will understand that the problem lies much broader than Afghanistan.
<q>The next move should have been to secure our borders make sure MORE THAN 5% of IMPORTS ARE INSPECTED! We should be adding policemen/firemen instead of CUTTING THEM from our states. We should have created a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to deal with any terrorist disasters. Instead of a plan, we had an AWFUL organizational response to Katrina, something that we knew would happen DAYS BEFOREHAND! </q>
You want imports inspected? Inspectors, policemen, firemen, etc all costs money and people are already criticizing Bush for spending too much. What to do?
Katrina is FEMA's responsiblity, no? But hey, it's cool to blame Bush. I had a flat tire the other day. Damn Bush had something to do with it I tell ya.
<q>Since these BASIC issues have not been addressed, we are left with terrorist attacks spiking around the world, American rights being trampled, fear being used for political purposes only(day before the democratic convention anyone?), Al Qaeda membership spiking, governments around the world are now against us, Hamas has been given power in Palestine(partially due to Arab backlash to the occupation of Iraq), one trillion more dollars in debt, an abandment by the U.S. of the U.N., and ports being sold to companies with KNOWN TERRORIST LINKS TO 9/11!</q>
Are you after child porn? Are you doing something illegal? I don't, so I don't worry if they know whats in my emails or know what sites I visit. Basically, if your not doing something wrong, what are you afraid the NSA from finding?
Al Qaeda membership spiking? Do you have the membership lists? I'm sure you have something valuable to the US.
So if we hadn't attacked Iraq, Arabs wouldn't have supported Hamas? Are you kidding me?
<q>Would you like me to continue? Do you HONESTLY believe we are safer? How aloof are you? Take a look around...</q>
Please continue, I find these very amusing.
Edit. How does this quote thing work again?
What war do you know of with less casualties than this besides the cold war?
<q>What was the correct solution? THe correct solution would have been to do a MUCH BETTER job in Afghanistan and to have stayed focused on Bin Laden. If you have not done so, please read books on how Afghanistan was undertaken. It was a strategical and military disaster in which we let people in CAVES escape accross the borders of Afghanistan. Iraq had the most progressive rights for women out of all of the muslim countries... now, their rights are worse off. More Iraqis have died in the last 4 years than Saddam had killed in the previous decade.
</q>
People complain we are spending too much money on the war. Yet, you want us to have more troops on the ground which would cost more money.
And again, if we capture or killed Bin Laden, does it change how the fanatics feel about us?
Women have less rights in Iraq now than before? What rights have been taken away?
Again, Saddam was never at war with Iraq. We are, therefore more people would die now than during Saddam's rule. That is the price of war.
I think we are not seeing eye to eye because you don't see the problem yet. Question is, why is the world being terrorized by these fanatics? Why do they hate us? Once you find that answer, you will understand that the problem lies much broader than Afghanistan.
<q>The next move should have been to secure our borders make sure MORE THAN 5% of IMPORTS ARE INSPECTED! We should be adding policemen/firemen instead of CUTTING THEM from our states. We should have created a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to deal with any terrorist disasters. Instead of a plan, we had an AWFUL organizational response to Katrina, something that we knew would happen DAYS BEFOREHAND! </q>
You want imports inspected? Inspectors, policemen, firemen, etc all costs money and people are already criticizing Bush for spending too much. What to do?
Katrina is FEMA's responsiblity, no? But hey, it's cool to blame Bush. I had a flat tire the other day. Damn Bush had something to do with it I tell ya.
<q>Since these BASIC issues have not been addressed, we are left with terrorist attacks spiking around the world, American rights being trampled, fear being used for political purposes only(day before the democratic convention anyone?), Al Qaeda membership spiking, governments around the world are now against us, Hamas has been given power in Palestine(partially due to Arab backlash to the occupation of Iraq), one trillion more dollars in debt, an abandment by the U.S. of the U.N., and ports being sold to companies with KNOWN TERRORIST LINKS TO 9/11!</q>
Are you after child porn? Are you doing something illegal? I don't, so I don't worry if they know whats in my emails or know what sites I visit. Basically, if your not doing something wrong, what are you afraid the NSA from finding?
Al Qaeda membership spiking? Do you have the membership lists? I'm sure you have something valuable to the US.
So if we hadn't attacked Iraq, Arabs wouldn't have supported Hamas? Are you kidding me?
<q>Would you like me to continue? Do you HONESTLY believe we are safer? How aloof are you? Take a look around...</q>
Please continue, I find these very amusing.
Edit. How does this quote thing work again?
pack up your bags and move out of kentucky. i don't care where you live, go to paris, go to kenya, go to canada, but do not continue to live in the united states if you believe your own ridiculous, nonsense that you spout off on the internet. If you don't like how this country is ran so much that you attack and compare the government to Hussein's dictatorship, (which his grip, his mass exterminations(!!) was not dissimilar to Hitler's iron fist!), just leave... You sit and hide behind the right to preach what you wish, however you attack this country for spreading those rights. You are the last person in the world who deserves to be granted the liberty of being an American citizen, to have the freedoms that a US citizen has. You tell us to move out of Iraq, and leave the patriotic iraqis to die, the ones fighting to have the rights that we do. Our allies in the middle east, our friends, leave them to die by the terrorist organizations which share the same ideals with the group that flew planes into the world trade center and the pentagon, three american icons! I would resort to the typical nonsense that you reply with, but I'm leaving this P&N forum, say all you want, good riddance, good that another one of you is leaving, but truth be told it's to not have to see ridiculous posts of linking our government, the United States to Iraq under Saddam Hussein and the anti american sentiment being spewed from someone who sucks at america's teet and lives off of the freedom it grants, yet opposes the ideals of spreading those freedoms.
cliffs:
conjur quit your anti american vile hatred and comparisons of America to Saddam's Iraq or move to another country.
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That move to another country crap is about the most tired line, good riddance noob. caring for something does not mean cover your eyes to reality.
Suck it up, we have problems, either take part in bettering what we have or take your own advice and move, and stop with the complacency, you are part of the problem.
Being a gop robot barfing up the administrations talking points does not make you a patriot, standing up for what is right is what made this country so free, not curling up into a ball to defend the status quo.
Suck it up, we have problems, either take part in bettering what we have or take your own advice and move, and stop with the complacency, you are part of the problem.
Being a gop robot barfing up the administrations talking points does not make you a patriot, standing up for what is right is what made this country so free, not curling up into a ball to defend the status quo.
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