Wii U sales are still awful

[Silver Prime]

What? You don't seem to make coherent posts, and respond with nonsensical connections. I quite clearly said that you CANNOT play Mario/etc on Sony and Microsoft systems, and that is exactly the reason that Nintendo can afford to play the long game in combination with their non-loss-leader pricing structure.

I'm not a fanboy of any company, not in the least. What have they ever done for me besides take my money for a particular product, and when I spend that money I had better be prepared and educated for what I'm buying. In point of fact I detest fanboys from the core of my being. I don't care one crap about any of these companies beyond if they offer something that I want to buy.

This is EXACTLY how I feel about fanboys : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lyszauE5vI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVtEytgcL5fZcSiKx-BjimQ

I didn't get a PSP and PS3 until I was given them for free, and I've bought exactly ONE game for the both of them the entire time I've owned them. I've bought exactly ONE game for my 360 as well. I primarily play my PC and 3DS, the lady plays the Wii, and that's about it. That said, I can see plain as day that PS4 and XB1 will be the giants of this gen, and I can also see plain as day that Nintendo is aiming for a solid but distant 3rd place, which is just fine from a business perspective as long as they play their cards right.

I also think you're the only person on planet earth who doesn't work at Nintendo that doesn't see the fact that Nintendo needs :

LOWER CONSOLE PRICE

MORE GAMES

Before they stand a chance at really achieving that valuable stable 3rd place position. It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with liking/disliking Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. It's just the facts.

Uhh, To back track; I already stated Nintedno lost there shot, in that being; I personaly think they could have still held first place in the next gen if they would have came out with a line up in 2014, but they now have lost that entire foundation, but saying they are in dead last just because of small but yet big mess up, dosent put them out of the game for you to call Ps4 an Xb1 is automaticaly at the 1 & 2's is quite jaring, what you call facts are actually your opinion...(Sorry I cant watch vids with this com) so your demonstration of how little or alot of fan boy is in you is on hold. But I wont directly call you a fan boy of a single brand, its just a speculation.

I'm a fan boy...of all of them, they all bring there own uniqueness, but can't stand when I see others who pick sides on things that in no way can be proven, yet insist that its called facts...Opinions bud, pure opinions. Your poker face is already given away by the shere fact you include words and implimations of terms; like I'm the only person on the planet, which is followed by most who say...everyone knows, then is branched into insults; such as coherent or as you said connections.

What other connection must I make other than my opinion that Nintendo isint doing good because of its line up, which is they have none. Because it just seems too far fetch to argue about power at this point; since evidently you protested on the 3ds behalf and not owning a Ps vita instead since you admire power over fun (PC Right?). I'm in no rush to adress the big picture up front; so I adress things in small amount; in terms the basics, leaping all around and nameing this and that which most already did...gets me and them no where but just shows there overall intentions which shows what type of fanboy they are...bringing in cross-platform sales is useless and thats basicaly the only argument I see on these type of threads.

My initial question was; what are the factors that will make the Ps4 and X1 blow away the competition excluding, the wii u's fall out in its line up and time-ing. Not how can wii u improve its self...I'm sure nintendo has a whole bunch of team members profesionaly figureing it out.

 

[Silver Prime]

It's posts like these that make me wonder if there should be a drunk detector installed on computers similar to those interlocks to prevent habitual drunk drivers from taking off in their cars while loaded.

The same thing could be said about you and meth, you obviously think everything you say is fact, yet they are shy away from educated opinions, and stupid ones.

(1)- 1080p support is important because basically everyone now has a 1080p TV already, and running 480p on a 720 or 1080 TV looks like crap.

opinion again, my whole community has only a few people with the latest and greatest, some people I know still have lousy 15 inch tv's yet they bank more than 70 grand a year. An to cover your abserd remarks of this every one crap, show me some statistics in you knowing that Everyone has them.

Opinion.

(2)- 4K is meaningless garbage for now, PS4/XB1 supposed '4K' support is useless, because their hardware is far FAR too slow to play at 4K with any reasonable settings. Irrelevant.

How can it be irrelevant when majority of the Sony P.S sites I see now, incooperate 4k talk as there main stand point in bragging?

(3)- No, in point of fact : NOBODY outside of insane people would happily pay $600 for a PS3.

Okay, this is going down hill fast...so what you are telling me is, absloutley everyone who purchased a Ps3 when it came out was either crying, pissed off, punching holes through there walls, stealing it instead? Ha ha, I just cant compute how you see things; since other than logistics is the only thing you have been consistantly accurate about, the rest, opinions and abserd contradictions.

(4)- Over all tactical sales? What the sam?

(5)- Lackluster, yes. Every review site on earth and countless customers have noted that the tablet/controller thing is poorly implemented with current titles, and a bit clunky and obviously not the same quality as a Nexus/iPad in build/response. Do I think that matters in the long run? Not a whole lot, as prices WILL come down, and I think quality WILL get better. A lighter weight + improved capacitive touch surface would do wonders.

(6)- Do you mean 'Kinect' and 'Move'? Yes, they are both truly idiotic attempts to cash in on gimmick casual gaming, in MY opinion. Still, some people love that stuff. To each their own I suppose.

Yeah over all tactical sales, like how they plan on beating out the competition, Ps2 did it by incooperating Cd players and Dvd players, into a buy this get that scheme, since I remember 90% of the people in my community had a Ps2 hooked up to there car to play movies and CD's...something hardly anyone would do with a game cube, wouldent you think thats a good tactics in selling more systems?

Every review ??? So if I can get just a few that complimented the Pad, since its a controller not a tablet; ju---st a few, like some talk shows reviews, video game magazines, fan made sites; and more that actually did compliment its controller...wouldent that directly show that you are full of it? Uhh huh.

Actually for the Kinect its eventually going to get to that point, but we have no means of any technology that utilizes it the way its suppose to be, its in its own right...jumping the gun, like giving a cave man a rifle...for its time frame, its not well patented.

 

[Sulaco]

The same thing could be said about you and meth, you obviously think everything you say is fact, yet they are shy away from educated opinions, and stupid ones.



opinion again, my whole community has only a few people with the latest and greatest, some people I know still have lousy 15 inch tv's yet they bank more than 70 grand a year. An to cover your abserd remarks of this every one crap, show me some statistics in you knowing that Everyone has them.

According to recent studies, over 75% of American households have an HDTV set.

http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/75-percent-us-homes-have-hdtv-set

More importantly, that number and percentage is going to be even HIGHER for people who buy brand new consoles to play video games on for several hundred dollars.

So yes. His point stands.

 

[Silver Prime]

According to recent studies, over 75% of American households have an HDTV set.

http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/75-percent-us-homes-have-hdtv-set

More importantly, that number and percentage is going to be even HIGHER for people who buy brand new consoles to play video games on for several hundred dollars.

So yes. His point stands.

Not really, since he adresses things as factual implications; as he degrades my intellelect with demoner insults, and then capatalizes on non-essential things, so I am still in the vicinity of disputing his exact words of everyone he should of used the words majority...since how much people is in america only?

I dont know I'm lazy to look, but lets say one billion...25% of that one billion is what...250 million people, thats alot in terms individual numbers; yet, thats only for america; so we are talking games that go world wide, that type of numbers would be more then backing my case of what he seems to wanting me to be more accurate then what he insist that I'm not coherent or connecting. lol

200 dollars is still a joke of a opinion to slash down to...no worrys; I got my eye on him.

His arguments although educated are a bit flimsy.

 

[Sulaco]

Not really, since he adresses things as factual implications; as he degrades my intellelect with demoner insults, and then capatalizes on non-essential things, so I am still in the vicinity of disputing his exact words of everyone he should of used the words majority...since how much people is in america only?

I dont know I'm lazy to look, but lets say one billion...25% of that one billion is what...250 million people, thats alot in terms individual numbers; yet, thats only for america; so we are talking games that go world wide, that type of numbers would be more then backing my case of what he seems to wanting me to be more accurate then what he insist that I'm not coherent or connecting. lol

200 dollars is still a joke of a opinion to slash down to...no worrys; I got my eye on him.

His arguments although educated are a bit flimsy.

I'm....not......even sure where to begin. 😕

First off, there's roughly 315 million people in the US. Nowhere close to a billion. Seriously. Just type "us population" in google.

Second off, I'm...not even sure where you're going with that. It's 75% of households. Not 75% of the population.

I'm not even sure it's worth continuing at this point, but, you realize the WiiU has to last for another several YEARS, correct? In that time, even more people are going to be buying and owning HDTV sets, so that number will jump even more.

 

[Silver Prime]

I'm....not......even sure where to begin. 😕

First off, there's roughly 315 million people in the US. Nowhere close to a billion. Seriously. Just type "us population" in google.

Second off, I'm...not even sure where you're going with that. It's 75% of households. Not 75% of the population.

I'm not even sure it's worth continuing at this point, but, you realize the WiiU has to last for another several YEARS, correct? In that time, even more people are going to be buying and owning HDTV sets, so that number will jump even more.

wow, sorry I cant waste me a 5 minute looksy at the numbers of how many people are in the U.S, did you go to college for that? Ha ha, I just taked hear say about having known theres like 7 billion people world wide and divided it by the continents, wasent any where hoping I was close since I dident know, which I even stated I dident care; but since you went all over the world and tallyed it up...I apologize. XD

Still its not accurate to every one now is it Mr A hole that went around the world, cough cough looked at wiki for 2 minutes...cough cough.

What does HD tvs have to do with wii u sales or in fact; ANYTHING!?!

Other than you only showed americas terms not the world genius, even 25% of 300 million is still a large number and disputes everyone.

 

[Sulaco]

wow, sorry I cant waste me a 5 minute looksy at the numbers of how many people are in the U.S, did you go to college for that? Ha ha, I just taked hear say about having known theres like 7 billion people world wide and divided it by the continents, wasent any where hoping I was close since I dident know, which I even stated I dident care; but since you went all over the world and tallyed it up...I apologize. XD

Still its not accurate to every one now is it Mr A hole that went around the world, cough cough looked at wiki for 2 minutes...cough cough.

What does HD tvs have to do with wii u sales or in fact; ANYTHING!?!

Other than you only showed americas terms not the world genius, even 25% of 300 million is still a large number and disputes everyone.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=us+population

 

[Silver Prime]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=us+population

awww, well how do you like that; It says I have to enable java to use it...I cant enable anything because his computer is a 2003 and is outdated.

Sorry you went through all that troble going around the world and all.

XD XD XD

Tootles ^_^

 

[insertcarehere]

Dosen't matter, the gaming experince and quality its self is worth more then that, I mean I under stand why alot of smart phone an Ipod games are free, they suck ass; let alone they are deceptive, because they charge cash for in-play comadities... nintendo is so generous, I remember a year or so back they were giving away tons of free games they could have charged for on there Nintendo e wii shop, unlike Sony who charges highway robery for some of there games on there PSN which I could get for dirt cheap if I just bought there kin from even places like K'mart let alone basicaly free from garage sales lol.

It absolutely matters when talking about the business decisions that they have undertaken. The fact that Nintendo seemed to have pursued hardware Gamecube BC and low power to the detriment of just about anything else speaks volumes about the ineptitude of at least some of the top brass at Nintendo. It means that the console becomes harder to develop for 3rd parties, as well as more expensive than it could have been. This is also compounded by the gamepad, which is relatively expensive itself.

The fact that Nintendo also seems to have been caught with their pants down in terms of HD development is also scarcely believable. Considering that they have had 8 years to observe how everyone else had struggled, they should have been taking notes instead of being as isolated as they have been.

 

[purbeast0]

Most of the titles I mentioned are in the roadmaps already, I wouldn't consider them vaporware any more than other sure titles coming for PS4/XB1. Unless something goes wrong, WiiU should become a decent also-ran cheap option by next year.

you are talking about games in wii-u that haven't even been announced vs games that are playable on x1/ps4 that are coming out this year. that's far from vaporware.

 

[purbeast0]

just reading through the posts on here from last night...

and wtf is up with Silver Prime? this guy makes absolutely no sense and responds to things that people didn't even say. wonder if he was high or drunk when posting all of this stuff, or both.

 

[Aikouka]

Do I think that Nintendo absolutely must drop their price? No. However, that's also a really simplistic answer. Ultimately, it appears that people don't want Nintendo's latest console. In simplest terms, Nintendo needs to give them a reason to want it. A price drop is a legitimate reason; however, it's not the only way to drum up interest. You can also produce desirable games, or heck... a mix of the two could work as well.

just reading through the posts on here from last night...

and wtf is up with Silver Prime? this guy makes absolutely no sense and responds to things that people didn't even say. wonder if he was high or drunk when posting all of this stuff, or both.

I would be dollars to donuts that he's foreign. Either that or the U.S. education system failed if anyone thinks that there are one billion people here. 😛 I also picked up on this nature to try and push his opinion as something that applies to everyone. #1 advice on the Internet, your personal stance on a matter doesn't necessarily matter. Just because you're not willing to pay $500 for a console doesn't mean someone else isn't. Heck, I'm afraid it might blow his mind if I said I had both on pre-order with the intent to buy! 😛

 

[Mushkins]

just reading through the posts on here from last night...

and wtf is up with Silver Prime? this guy makes absolutely no sense and responds to things that people didn't even say. wonder if he was high or drunk when posting all of this stuff, or both.

Some people just need to learn not to feed the trolls is all 😀 Though I guess there really wasnt anywhere for this thread to end up besides raving crazy and personal attacks eventually. Just another day in a console gaming forum I guess.

The actual point of this topic has been beaten to death: The Wii U's sales suck so far because the games library, both current and upcoming, has been very weak. The console is just a means to play the games, if the games aren't there nobody buys the console.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I just taked hear say about having known theres like 7 billion people world wide and divided it by the continents

On the plus side for Nintendo, the WiiU has a great adoption rate among Antarctica's billion or so inhabitants.

 

[Arkaign]

you are talking about games in wii-u that haven't even been announced vs games that are playable on x1/ps4 that are coming out this year. that's far from vaporware.

In that, I agree.

The Nintendo Announced titles are :

Super Mario 3D World
Donkey Kong Country
Zelda HD Remake
Pikmin 3
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros
Super Luigi
The Legend of Zelda Wii (new Zelda game, no official name yet)

Nintendo doesn't usually announce titles and then never release them AFAIK. One could argue that the Super Nintendo CD *DID* in fact turn out to be vaporware, but that was 20+ years ago now (I was at the CES where they announced, lol, I should have kept the signage/art from the announcement).

Now aside from those titles, there are probably going to be at least some of these :

Mario Party U (100%, lol)
Metroid (75%?)
Icarus (50%?)
Pokémon (perhaps not likely, but I think it would sell given the continual popularity of the older pokemon games)

^^ Now think about it. All of the titles in part one of that list (officially announced or confirmed) are in the 2013-2014 time frame. What's going to happen after 2014? Are they simply going to stop making WiiU 1st-party major titles? That would only happen if they weren't profitable, which of course is still a possibility, but I still think that more game releases + price cut will make this a go.

I didn't list stuff like Fit/bleh typical wii casual games, which are meaningless here. There are a few other less-headlining titles that I hear that some people love like Skylanders, Ducktales, Fire Emblem, Bayonetta, etc. As for 'mainstream' style Xbox/PS multiplatform games, I think they should honestly not even bother. Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham, CoD, Madden, I think that those actually will just end up making the WiiU look weak compared to the PS4/XB1 (and it is, of course).

The WiiU's whole reason for existence is those games that aren't available anywhere else. It just needs more of them to actually come out, and for the prices to come down. I'm pretty sure, but not 100% certain (close to it!) that by 8/1/2014 we can pull this thread out, and check the following :

WiiU dropped in price
WiiU got some mo' better games finally
WiiU sales are okay. Not great, not terrible, just stable and par for 3rd-place course.

I think Vaporware shouldn't really be used for anything that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo have officially announced unless they give us reason to start doubting their promised titles on a regular basis. I think overall they almost always deliver.

 

[Arkaign]

On the plus side for Nintendo, the WiiU has a great adoption rate among Antarctica's billion or so inhabitants.

LOL there's so much sig-worthy about that guy.

I liked the "OVER ALL TACTICAL SALES"!

Edit : wow, now I feel bad, he may have either some diagnosed or undiagnosed mental illness :

http://teamauthority.myfastforum.org/ftopic623-0.php

I have a severely autistic friend that goes on similar tangents.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Why does this thread seem to be a rehash of the Xbox1/Ps4 threads?

Pretty much everything I've read elsewhere states what most of us feel. Unless Nintendo drops the price and begs 3rd parties to come back, the Wii-U is just going to be another Virtual Boy.

 

[smackababy]

Why does this thread seem to be a rehash of the Xbox1/Ps4 threads?

Pretty much everything I've read elsewhere states what most of us feel. Unless Nintendo drops the price and begs 3rd parties to come back, the Wii-U is just going to be another Virtual Boy.

I think they could release some great first party games and do okay, but they aren't doing that either.

 

[Arkaign]

Why does this thread seem to be a rehash of the Xbox1/Ps4 threads?

Pretty much everything I've read elsewhere states what most of us feel. Unless Nintendo drops the price and begs 3rd parties to come back, the Wii-U is just going to be another Virtual Boy.

Are you sure you have thought about it much?

Drop the price, yes!

Beg the 3rd parties to come back? The WiiU is too weak to do justice to the cross-platform titles once PS4/XB1 are the competition. I guess you could be talking about more 3rd-party originals, which would be nice, but overall I think WiiU lives or dies based on their ability to get their 1st-party games on the shelves in combination with the price drop(s).

It's already far from a Virtual Boy 🙂 I don't know if many others here are old enough to remember it, but it I think had only a single season on shelves before being shelved, with a horrendous system flaw (red only graphics), and a library of what, like a dozen games total?

A healthy 3rd place seems to be the direction this is inevitably heading.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Are you sure you have thought about it much?

Drop the price, yes!

Beg the 3rd parties to come back? The WiiU is too weak to do justice to the cross-platform titles once PS4/XB1 are the competition. I guess you could be talking about more 3rd-party originals, which would be nice, but overall I think WiiU lives or dies based on their ability to get their 1st-party games on the shelves in combination with the price drop(s).

It's already far from a Virtual Boy 🙂 I don't know if many others here are old enough to remember it, but it I think had only a single season on shelves before being shelved, with a horrendous system flaw (red only graphics), and a library of what, like a dozen games total?

A healthy 3rd place seems to be the direction this is inevitably heading.

Do we really think that their flagship first party titles coming out 2-4 years after release is going to save it? They aren't known for rushing their games out the door, and if people aren't buying the system, they aren't going to make games. It's a vicious circle. At least 1 or 2 of those games should have been out at release, not 2 years after. (remains to be seen)

 

[SearchMaster]

just reading through the posts on here from last night...

and wtf is up with Silver Prime? this guy makes absolutely no sense and responds to things that people didn't even say. wonder if he was high or drunk when posting all of this stuff, or both.

He loves to argue just to "hear" himself and feel smug. If it's not obvious from the idiotic animal vs. animal crap, it's obvious in this thread.

 

[Arkaign]

Do we really think that their flagship first party titles coming out 2-4 years after release is going to save it? They aren't known for rushing their games out the door, and if people aren't buying the system, they aren't going to make games. It's a vicious circle. At least 1 or 2 of those games should have been out at release, not 2 years after. (remains to be seen)

Could be. I think they have their financials in enough order to get it done. Obviously we're not talking about a contender for 1st or 2nd place here, but I think they can still make a profit if sales steadily grow. Super Mario 3d World/etc for holiday 2013 will be our first clue. If that goes fairly well, 2014 and the rest of those announced titles should open the door to more good stuff in 2015. If this was Sony or Microsoft selling a hugely expensive loss-leader type system, it would be a lot riskier. AFAIK, Nintendo's way of doing things is to not lose $$ on hardware in most cases. The success of the 3DS gives us a roadmap to a healthy WiiU.

Will I buy a WiiU before a PS4? Probably not, but will I buy a WiiU in addition to a PS4? Show me some better games and an acceptable price and I'm in. I imagine many others will be as well.

 

[tential]

Do I think that Nintendo absolutely must drop their price? No. However, that's also a really simplistic answer. Ultimately, it appears that people don't want Nintendo's latest console. In simplest terms, Nintendo needs to give them a reason to want it. A price drop is a legitimate reason; however, it's not the only way to drum up interest. You can also produce desirable games, or heck... a mix of the two could work as well.

I would be dollars to donuts that he's foreign. Either that or the U.S. education system failed if anyone thinks that there are one billion people here. 😛 I also picked up on this nature to try and push his opinion as something that applies to everyone. #1 advice on the Internet, your personal stance on a matter doesn't necessarily matter. Just because you're not willing to pay $500 for a console doesn't mean someone else isn't. Heck, I'm afraid it might blow his mind if I said I had both on pre-order with the intent to buy! 😛

I don't think a price drop would make me interested. I'm not willing to pay for something I'm not going to play. I only have one game for my Wii. SSB. I actually would have got the Wii U on release day if they JUST HAD THAT ONE GAME.
Now though, I'm coming to my senses. I don't think I need to spend that much cash to play one game lol. If they get 5+ games I want to play though, I will.

It's posts like these that make me wonder if there should be a drunk detector installed on computers similar to those interlocks to prevent habitual drunk drivers from taking off in their cars while loaded.

(1)- 1080p support is important because basically everyone now has a 1080p TV already, and running 480p on a 720 or 1080 TV looks like crap.

(2)- 4K is meaningless garbage for now, PS4/XB1 supposed '4K' support is useless, because their hardware is far FAR too slow to play at 4K with any reasonable settings. Irrelevant.

(3)- No, in point of fact : NOBODY outside of insane people would happily pay $600 for a PS3.

(4)- Over all tactical sales? What the sam?

(5)- Lackluster, yes. Every review site on earth and countless customers have noted that the tablet/controller thing is poorly implemented with current titles, and a bit clunky and obviously not the same quality as a Nexus/iPad in build/response. Do I think that matters in the long run? Not a whole lot, as prices WILL come down, and I think quality WILL get better. A lighter weight + improved capacitive touch surface would do wonders.

(6)- Do you mean 'Kinect' and 'Move'? Yes, they are both truly idiotic attempts to cash in on gimmick casual gaming, in MY opinion. Still, some people love that stuff. To each their own I suppose.

Things that aren't 1080p really make me sad. I'm done playing Xbox 360 because of it. Once you get a large enough tv, it's no fun playing low definition content.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't think a price drop would make me interested. I'm not willing to pay for something I'm not going to play. I only have one game for my Wii. SSB. I actually would have got the Wii U on release day if they JUST HAD THAT ONE GAME.
Now though, I'm coming to my senses. I don't think I need to spend that much cash to play one game lol. If they get 5+ games I want to play though, I will.

Things that aren't 1080p really make me sad. I'm done playing Xbox 360 because of it. Once you get a large enough tv, it's no fun playing low definition content.

720p isn't low definition.

i have a 10 foot screen and ps3 and xbox360 look fantastic on it in 720p.

 

[Arkaign]

720p isn't low definition.

i have a 10 foot screen and ps3 and xbox360 look fantastic on it in 720p.

You're speaking of a projector, correct? That does help, as typically they have modes where it's pixel to pixel accurate when using a compatible input. That helps avoid the issue of running 720p on a 1080p panel, where 720p can look .. off, depending on how well it does with non-native input. Hell my 360 with Forza is a blur AND jag-fest even at only 27" on my 1200p native screen. If I disable scaling and run it in a little box, it looks fantastic, but super tiny. Still jaggy, but at least not a muddy mess.

720p isn't exactly what I'd call HD per se, even though I know it's technically referred to as such by marketing. It's of course far, FAR better than 480.

All that said, I think 1080P is what people generally think of when they think of true HD, circa 2013. It's really hard to go buy a decent TV that's not 1080p these days.