Wii U sales are still awful

[blackened23]

It is not always ignorance. I play console games and have a high end PC. I simply don't care that the console games "look worse" because having lower res textures aren't what I quantify as making a game enjoyable. As long as the animations are smooth and the production value is high, I really don't care if it runs at 600p or 1600p. Everyone hails Crysis as this looking so amazing, and it does, but it isn't a good game. It has a horrible story, some awful gameplay decisions (the zero G area...) and is not a great shooter. The multiplayer wasn't great and CoD4: MW either matched or exceeded it in every area except for graphics. I used that as an example because both were from 2007.

Console gamers don't care that their games have jaggies or that the texture resolution isn't 5000000 x 5000000 pixels. They care about gameplay. Nobody except for PC gamers complain CoD isn't running true 720p. Console gamers just care that it doesn't stutter. Nobody cared Dark Souls had low resolution textures, they cared about the slowdown in Blighttown.

Completely agreed on this. Among PC gamers there is a large contingent of "non gamers" that merely obsess over graphics and benchmarks, while rarely playing games. They also tend to be the biggest trolls w.r.t. consoles. I'd say it's also hard to appreciate good games when Steam/amazon/etc throw games at you for 3$ a piece, and then most of them collect dust for years at a time - I find myself in this trap sometimes.

Like you, I also appreciate good games regardless of technical aspects. Great graphics are nice, but great gameplay is the core of a good game. In the end both consoles and PCs have their place, I personally enjoy them both for different types of games. I can't get a good fighting game multiplayer experience on the PC (ie 30 people doing MP on PC, versus 400,000 on XBLG) , so I still go back to the 360 for SF4AE2012/etc.

 

[insertcarehere]

Sure, the wii u's are selling at a hardware profit. Each one sells for more than it costs to build it.

That's not true, they are actually selling at a loss atm

 

[zerocool84]

I've gone more away from PC gaming. After a hard day at work, I don't want to have to sit down at yet another desk when I get home. I like to relax with my controller on my recliner while playing now. Keeping my PC up to date is just another hassle I don't have the time for anymore.

 

[zerocool84]

That's not true, they are actually selling at a loss atm

I already posted a link in this thread that said that the WiiU needs one game sold so they can make any money on the system. It's not like the Wii where they didn't have to sell any games to make money.

 

[cmdrdredd]

"better" is 100% subjective. there isn't 1 game that is multiplatform that i would rather play on pc than xbox360. every multiplatform game is "better" to me on 360.

When I can hook my PC up to my TV or projector and play the same game with an Xbox controller and all the higher resolution textures and higher frame rate it is worth going for the PC version IMO. There has not been a single time where the PC version of a game has not been more appealing for me. Especially with the mod community out there for many titles.

 

[nextJin]

I sit 8' to 10' from my 70" screen and Xbox 360 vs PC is night and day. I can't play Xbox 360 games anymore if there is a PC version available.

Set the PC to 720p with the same settings as 1080p and see if you can tell the difference. I think that is what folks are saying.

 

[purbeast0]

When I can hook my PC up to my TV or projector and play the same game with an Xbox controller and all the higher resolution textures and higher frame rate it is worth going for the PC version IMO. There has not been a single time where the PC version of a game has not been more appealing for me. Especially with the mod community out there for many titles.

and if i hooked my pc up to my tv or projector and played the same game with my joystick, it would have worse graphics than the 360, and it will have a much worse online community. and this isn't even factoring in all the time tinkering with settings and installing the game (which isn't much time, but just saying that it is there).

so yeah, 100% subjective. just because a pc version can have superior graphics/resolution does not mean that version is "better".

 

[cmdrdredd]

and if i hooked my pc up to my tv or projector and played the same game with my joystick, it would have worse graphics than the 360, and it will have a much worse online community. and this isn't even factoring in all the time tinkering with settings and installing the game (which isn't much time, but just saying that it is there).

so yeah, 100% subjective. just because a pc version can have superior graphics/resolution does not mean that version is "better".

Worse graphics? That's bs but whatever

 

[purbeast0]

Worse graphics? That's bs but whatever

how is it bs?

 

[smackababy]

how is it bs?

Because, obviously, you have a Titan...

 

[purbeast0]

Because, obviously, you have a Titan...

yeah apparently he installed new hardware in my pc today while i'm at work. hope he locked the door on the way out.

 

[cmdrdredd]

how is it bs?

A PC is always going to be better graphics even at the same resolution because it is rendering 1080p natively with higher resolution textures.

 

[purbeast0]

A PC is always going to be better graphics even at the same resolution because it is rendering 1080p natively with higher resolution textures.

i could play a pc game at 1600x1200 or whatever with max settings, but it will run at like 3FPS so it's useless. any "playable" game looks better on 360 than my pc.

 

[blackened23]

how is it bs?

It is BS in the sense that with a modern and well equipped PC, there is absolutely no doubt that a PC will produce better graphics. This shouldn't even be debated. It's obvious to anyone with a good PC and consoles to complement it (I have a 360 and PC.) Making the blanket statement that a console has better graphics is laughable at best. You can take something like Metro Last Light on a modern PC (say, a GTX 780) and the graphical detail will easily be 20-30x better than any console.

HOWEVER, with that being said -- I agree with those who mentioned earlier graphics are not the be-all and end-all. I can live with slightly worse textures and lower resolution provided by the console. There are many genres that the consoles will always do better than the PC, despite the worse graphics. Also, many MP experiences are better on the console due to having substantially larger playerbases.

So my opinion is yes, a modern PC with a good GPU/CPU will absolutely rip a console apart in terms of graphics. But that doesn't matter. They're both good and both serve a place! Use both as I do, best of both worlds. 🙂 I don't think about graphics when I play SF4AE on the 360. Or BLOPS 2 (yes, I like black ops 2, sue me). They're just better experiences on the 360.

 

[cmdrdredd]

i could play a pc game at 1600x1200 or whatever with max settings, but it will run at like 3FPS so it's useless. any "playable" game looks better on 360 than my pc.

Well if you have a weak PC that's different. I'm speaking in general and you don't need anything close to a titan for 1080p heh.

I agree with blackened too. You can have and enjoy both for their various strengths. There are games that never appear on PC like most sports titles and even some racing titles. To me its all game specific. There are some really awful ports that we get on PC. Even if it looks better its buggy and pretty much unplayable.

 

[smackababy]

Well if you have a weak PC that's different. I'm speaking in general.

Except you quoted a post that wasn't speaking in general. He specifically said "if i hooked my pc up to my tv or projector and played the same game with my joystick, it would have worse graphics than the 360". You claimed that was complete BS.

Yes, a high end PC will be able to have better graphics than a console, however, a high end PC costs a lot more than a console. And then you get the added benefit of putting it together, installing the OS, installing the game, then picking the settings that will make it run the best. All of that is not done on a console. The developers optimize it to run at 60fps and it does. No configuring. No installing. You put in the disc and play. The controls are set up to work by default. You don't have to enable them or mess with drivers to make sure your specific controller works.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Except you quoted a post that wasn't speaking in general. He specifically said "if i hooked my pc up to my tv or projector and played the same game with my joystick, it would have worse graphics than the 360". You claimed that was complete BS.

Yes, a high end PC will be able to have better graphics than a console, however, a high end PC costs a lot more than a console. And then you get the added benefit of putting it together, installing the OS, installing the game, then picking the settings that will make it run the best. All of that is not done on a console. The developers optimize it to run at 60fps and it does. No configuring. No installing. You put in the disc and play. The controls are set up to work by default. You don't have to enable them or mess with drivers to make sure your specific controller works.

A $500 PC could do 1080p gaming just fine. You just gotta shop for the deals. It is far from a high end PC. If you don't want to then whatever.

 

[smackababy]

A $500 PC could do 1080p gaming just fine. You just gotta shop for the deals. It is far from a high end PC. If you don't want to then whatever.

Well, we are are talking about "shopping for deals", once I find a deal on a PS4 @ $250, it still wins. Most consumers don't shop for deals. They buy what is available, when they need it. Sure, you can wait months for the next iteration of CPUs to come out to score a deal on that previous version, or you could buy a Xbox or PS3 today.

And please build me a PC, right now, capable of playing games at 1080p at 60FPS (because that is what matters in console games). I'll even accept 720p. Don't forget you have to buy Windows.

 

[purbeast0]

Well if you have a weak PC that's different. I'm speaking in general and you don't need anything close to a titan for 1080p heh.

I agree with blackened too. You can have and enjoy both for their various strengths. There are games that never appear on PC like most sports titles and even some racing titles. To me its all game specific. There are some really awful ports that we get on PC. Even if it looks better its buggy and pretty much unplayable.

my PC is not "weak" in the least, it just doesn't have a great graphics card because i don't have a need for one and it would be a waste to have one. it would also be a waste to have it down in my home theater since that is less than ideal if i want to get actual pc things done.

if you guys actually read my post you would have seen that i was comparing my pc to xbox360, not your pc or a more powerful pc. so no, it's not bs at all like you all are claiming.

which again, goes back to games being "better" on pc/360 being 100% subjective.

 

[mjaweeka]

Well, we are are talking about "shopping for deals", once I find a deal on a PS4 @ $250, it still wins. Most consumers don't shop for deals. They buy what is available, when they need it. Sure, you can wait months for the next iteration of CPUs to come out to score a deal on that previous version, or you could buy a Xbox or PS3 today.

And please build me a PC, right now, capable of playing games at 1080p at 60FPS (because that is what matters in console games). I'll even accept 720p. Don't forget you have to buy Windows.

I think I understand your point taking your post as a whole, but the second part alone is begging to be picked apart. A meager PC configuration could accomplish this, while you can't buy a console today to do the same thing.

 

[JujuFish]

The only reason to prefer the console version of a multiplatform game over the computer version (assuming you have a computer capable of gaming) is because it's a multiplayer game and all of your friends have the console version. Gaming with friends is simply more fun than gaming with strangers, IMO. Every other advantage goes to the PC.

 

[ImpulsE69]

key words being "capable" vs "do". Just because the next gen consoles are capable, doesn't mean they will. 1080 has been capable since the ps2 and yet most games STILL use less.

Don't get caught up in the omg i can buy a console cheaper than a gaming PC because it's apples to oranges. If you're only using your PC for gaming you're doing it wrong.

That aside, I run every game I've thrown at my medium range system with a gtx480 in 1080p without issue. Why? Because there are few games that even push PC's right now due to the over aged console gen. Let's come back to this subject once the new ones are out. Trying to say that the 360 or ps3 is better unless you have a top of the line PC is just ignorance.

 

[purbeast0]

key words being "capable" vs "do". Just because the next gen consoles are capable, doesn't mean they will. 1080 has been capable since the ps2 and yet most games STILL use less.

Don't get caught up in the omg i can buy a console cheaper than a gaming PC because it's apples to oranges. If you're only using your PC for gaming you're doing it wrong.

That aside, I run every game I've thrown at my medium range system with a gtx480 in 1080p without issue. Why? Because there are few games that even push PC's right now due to the over aged console gen. Let's come back to this subject once the new ones are out. Trying to say that the 360 or ps3 is better unless you have a top of the line PC is just ignorance.

the only thing that CAN be factually better on PC is graphics/framerate/resolution. and that is if you have a capable enough pc.

things like control, online community, ease of use, etc, is all totally subjective and up to the end user as to what they personally like better.

to flat out say a PC version of a game is "better" than the console version is ignorance itself.

can it be graphically superior? yes in pretty much every case. doesn't mean that is the case for the everyone out there. probably the case here on AT though, which is a tech site, dedicated to computer hardware.

 

[toughtrasher]

It's a disappointment to me really, they just got in the pool of HD gaming and just as they get in everyone is getting ready for next gen.

 

[Aikouka]

and this isn't even factoring in all the time tinkering with settings and installing the game (which isn't much time, but just saying that it is there).

If I'm going to play a game for any extended period of time, it gets installed to my 360. It helps load times and avoids excessive disc wear or accidental disc damage due to drives. Albeit, the latter was more of an issue with earlier 360s. Why do I bring this up? Because you can't do a darn thing while the 360 is installing a game. You can't install a game and go to Netflix, and installing a game takes 5+ minutes.

On a PC, I can troll the Console Gaming sub-forum while installing games. Doesn't that sound inviting? 😉

I don't think about graphics when I play SF4AE on the 360. Or BLOPS 2 (yes, I like black ops 2, sue me). They're just better experiences on the 360.

I have no qualms with playing Street Fighter on a console (with an arcade stick), but a FPS on a console? Bite your tongue, knave! 😛 I tried using a XIM Edge on a console to play BLOPS 2 with a friend, but honestly, it just felt like a mushy mouse.

Most developers optimize it to run at 30fps and it does.

I think that's a bit more accurate now. The current generation consoles are too long in the tooth to handle 60 FPS even at sub-720p resolutions for most games. Of course, I didn't state "all developers" as there are games that run at 60 FPS.