Why weren't Jewish people given part of Germany instead of religious land

[IronWing]

I have a better question. Why didn't we take over germany after winning the war? Isn't that what the people who conquer do? We take their lands and exploit their people? We should have made the men work hard labor and use the women as breeding vessels.

Well we did force them to build cars for us...

 

[piasabird]

You could just as easily ask why the troops did not feed all of the germans into their own gas ovens? Perhaps they just wanted the war to end. War is hell.

 

[Lemon law]

You could just as easily ask why the troops did not feed all of the germans into their own gas ovens? Perhaps they just wanted the war to end. War is hell.

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While I totally agree with piasabird, I might add that fact that our wiser leaders did not miss the fact that this was the second world war were had fought with Germany in the basic past two decades. And when the wise had already placed much of the blame on the onerous and debilitating settlement terms their governments had placed on Germany post WW1, it was not hard to connect the dots, and realize all that prior mistake had done was to sow the seeds for future wars. And that is why we were so insistent not to repeat the same mistake after we defeated Japan and Germany. And today we see that our past wiser leaders were right, because Japan and Germany are our allies.

Sadly our subsequent leaders have not remembered the lesson.

 

[Aimster]

Majority of Jews were already in the middle east...

 

[Lemon law]

Majority of Jews were already in the middle east...

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False, the majority of the Jews are outside the middle east and its always been that way since the 2'nd diaspora.

 

[gingermeggs]

In the 40's and 50's ships with Jews were turned away when they had nowhere to go, entire shiploads died on sea, until the 90's there was racial discriminations by law in some states, now it's about brown people.

I'm just wondering, since you support this, who will stand up for you when your time comes because as you see, it changes over time.

Not me, i don't stand up for bigots of any kind, not today and not any other day.

full circle John 'Rambo' of Sheffield?
The musical chairs being played in the middle east are far from finished.
With the nuke worries, I believe one day there will be no chairs left- Israels biggest mistake is being nuclear armed, they went it "alone", once the yank buck cracks their fucked!
Back to your pipe soldier!

 

[Lemon law]

The holocaust deniers aside, no one in their right mind can deny two things.

(1) The holocaust did indeed occur, and that madness of the holocaust murdered not only Jews but many other minority groups as well. Human mass murder is a sad human sin, but the crime of "genocide" is and remains a all too common stain on human history.

(2) That the road to hell is paved on good contentions of fairly compensating Jews for the mis deeds of others has only resulted in another Israeli on Palestinian genocide that approaches the injustice of the original holocaust.

All we have done in the mid-east is to trade one human injustice for another almost as reprehensible.

What is the definition of genocide? Ole Hitler did it the quick way, first he robbed the Jews of their property and then he put them in concentrations camps, and then killed them. Israel instead robs Palestinians of their property, tosses them into concentration camps, but stops just short of killing them in mass so they can torture them long term instead.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Just like they wanted to steal back land that they originally sold as worthless.

since when owning a land gives u the right to declare it as a new country?

No one said that it does.

I was responding to your comment about stealing the land.
By your stated comment - why do the Palestinians deserve to declare their land as an independant country?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

when will you post some scans of your bravado.. fucking stupid keyboard GI JOE..

Jews are no longer persecuted.. they are the enslavers .. the new nazis

they have always been a race that thought EVERYONE WAS BELOW THEM.. and your cocksucking mouth can take all their schlongs

they arent even a race.. just some people that hate jesus who Christians allow to claim they are the only people God recognizes.. wtf.. what an upside down world

Have you ever watched any program where the SAS is involved and none of the actions nor the people involved were ever shown, just a voice over on a still frame?

No, i am not going to let you know anything about us, not by images and not by ongoing missions either, if you look carefully, you'll see that i never do that.

If you don't want to believe me, you are free to doubt me, i think i have provided enough evidence as is, if not, then nothing will ever convince you anyway so just keep not believing in reality, you do it oh so well as it is.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

full circle John 'Rambo' of Sheffield?
The musical chairs being played in the middle east are far from finished.
With the nuke worries, I believe one day there will be no chairs left- Israels biggest mistake is being nuclear armed, they went it "alone", once the yank buck cracks their fucked!
Back to your pipe soldier!

I'd say that you're wrong, but you seem so convinced that you are right that saying no would be a waste of time so let me just say... ok.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

First, there is a difference between being religiously Jewish and being ethnically Jewish. Many Jewish people today (myself included) are 'born' Jewish, that is our mother was Jewish. In terms of genetics (which you seem so caught up on) that means that our mitochondrial DNA is passed from generation to generation and makes that DNA distinct from the rest of the world.

That is how many Jewish people in Israel define Jews, which make them more than simply a religion and (obviously) less than a race.

Many people, particularly in the US are "half Jewish" which simply means that their father (not mother) was Jewish and that they were raised with some semblance of Judaism in their life.

The only group that those three categories don't cover are the converted Jews, but let's be honest -- how many people willingly convert to a religion like Judaism?

Same here, i didn't even have to get a citisenship, it came with being born a Jew.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Put the pipe down and step away......

The common response when your own racism is portrayed, i'd ask you to look into moonbeams mirror but it migh shock you that you have become exactly what you hate.

 

[Ozoned]

steal my land and I will try to murder and woodcutter any of your relatives.. I dont care how close they are to you genetically.. I will kill every one of them.. dont steal land and enslave people and act like the VICTIM

You are showing that you DO have a concept of conquest,,,,war,,,,natural selection,,,, whatever you want to call it. The victim part though, you aren't seeing it in the proper light. Civility in the new world requires a topic of cause and causation to debate. Realities distraction, if you will.

I also think your time would be better spent throwing rocks because most of humanity has lost interest in the debate and simply has no stomach for the reality.

 

[Lemon law]

Same here, i didn't even have to get a citisenship, it came with being born a Jew.

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As Jews debate who can be a Jew and who cannot be, and others maintain you can only be a Jew if your birth mother was a Jew, it did not mean a damn thing to Hitler. If you had as little as 1/4 Jewish ancestry and in some cases even less, it was off to the gas chambers for you. With the Hitler Jewish doctrine being that Jew and others groups are simply subhuman

Now Israeli asks the same genetic question of the Palestinian people, and just because Israeli does everything Hitler did while stopping short of herding Palestinians into gas ovens, why don't we call that a genocide too?

But wait, maybe we should buy the Israeli self fulfilling prophecy that Palestinians are just sub human dumb animals, and therefore the proper international venue to limit Israeli abuse of Palestinians would be the international society of the prevention of cruelty to animals.

 

[AreaCode707]

Disclaimer: I am admittedly lacking in background and education on the situation in the Middle East, so pardon me if I say something stupid; please correct me if I do.

What do you all suggest as a solution for the situation in the Middle East given these assumptions:

- The majority of participants on both sides, at this point, were born where they are, give or take a few hundred kilometers, and have lived there for their entire lives so you cannot make a call based on who is non-native

- There is some historical tie, regardless of how recent, for all participants so you cannot make a call based on who was there originally

- There has been fault on both sides so you cannot make a call based on antagonist

- Human nature being what it is, peaceful co-existence is not possible

- Annihilation of one side or the other is not an option

What can the world do, within those constraints, to solve the problem that exists?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Disclaimer: I am admittedly lacking in background and education on the situation in the Middle East, so pardon me if I say something stupid; please correct me if I do.

What do you all suggest as a solution for the situation in the Middle East given these assumptions:

- The majority of participants on both sides, at this point, were born where they are, give or take a few hundred kilometers, and have lived there for their entire lives so you cannot make a call based on who is non-native

- There is some historical tie, regardless of how recent, for all participants so you cannot make a call based on who was there originally

- There has been fault on both sides so you cannot make a call based on antagonist

- Human nature being what it is, peaceful co-existence is not possible

- Annihilation of one side or the other is not an option

What can the world do, within those constraints, to solve the problem that exists?

1. More or less, however almost all of the "Palestinians" are actually Syrians and Jordans that they did not want back after the war, the true Palestinians are mostly dead and were imprisoned in camps in the neighbouring nations, none in Israel.

2. Mostly through religion, they consider it holy land which isn't so strange since the two closest religions of Abraham are Judaism and Islam.

3. True, and as settlements are built rockets are fired and vica versa, it's a downturning spiral that will inevitably lead to more violence.

4. It isn't? Says who? You?

5. Heh, it's always an option for military strategy, if you have the force to do it with.

It might surprise you but the US has such a plan against the UK and the UK has such a plan against the US.

We don't live in a world of peace, we live in a world where the mutual threat of retaliation keeps the US at bay from attacking us.

After what happened to Iraq, we need our nukes more than we ever did, that was a former declared ally that was invaded based on nothing what so ever and when my team entered as the first team on ground we were specifically ordered NOT to guard the UN bunkers only so there could at least be chem weapons stolen from there to justify the war, unfortunantly, they were too old.

Don't fuck with me, i was THERE!

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta love the JOS contention that fails at point one, but the really screw the pooch in clueless, we can't beat the JOS statement of, "Don't fuck with me, i was THERE!"

When being there with the dream idiot team adds up to being another fine mess collective clueless idiots like you have gotten our countries into, it simply boils down to being there is a basic badge of shame.

Now I might find some redemption in prior JOS posts if he ever really showed he was even the one eyed man in the country of the Nato blind, but I still don't see any of that even to this day. But he is,
"A proud and youthful chevalier,
A highland lion of cheerful mien,
A slashing blade, a flashing shield,
Fighting foremost in the field. "

And if you don't believe JOS, just ask him.

 

[AreaCode707]

1. More or less, however almost all of the "Palestinians" are actually Syrians and Jordans that they did not want back after the war, the true Palestinians are mostly dead and were imprisoned in camps in the neighbouring nations, none in Israel.

2. Mostly through religion, they consider it holy land which isn't so strange since the two closest religions of Abraham are Judaism and Islam.

3. True, and as settlements are built rockets are fired and vica versa, it's a downturning spiral that will inevitably lead to more violence.

4. It isn't? Says who? You?

5. Heh, it's always an option for military strategy, if you have the force to do it with.

It might surprise you but the US has such a plan against the UK and the UK has such a plan against the US.

We don't live in a world of peace, we live in a world where the mutual threat of retaliation keeps the US at bay from attacking us.

After what happened to Iraq, we need our nukes more than we ever did, that was a former declared ally that was invaded based on nothing what so ever and when my team entered as the first team on ground we were specifically ordered NOT to guard the UN bunkers only so there could at least be chem weapons stolen from there to justify the war, unfortunantly, they were too old.

Don't fuck with me, i was THERE!

My points weren't questions, they were a set of baseline assumptions. My question is, "assuming all these things are true, how would you suggest resolving the situation in the Middle East"?

 

[5150Joker]

As usual there is always one idiot who trys to derail a thread.......
Then the fool posts a link without telling the whole story....

Under the new rules, children born to foreign workers who entered Israel legally, and who have lived in Israel for five years or more, speak Hebrew and are enrolled in an Israeli school, will be eligible for permanent residency.

After considering the issue for more than a year, the Israeli cabinet voted 13 to 10 in favour of the decision.

Some ministers voted against the move because not enough children were being expelled. Other ministers were opposed to expelling any children.

About 400 children of foreign workers will have to leave Israel by the end of the month, while another 800 children will be eligible to stay.

5150Joker - it is stoopid and moronic as well as just plain foolish and idiotic and to take a segment of a story without telling the truth.....in other words if you read the article and take it at face value you can see that there was great debate and soul searching before anything was agreed on.....but you would have us to believe that the israeli government is heartless and does not carer about the children.

Hey asshat, did you read the quote I put up? Their "soul searching" went something like this, "Hmm if we let them stay, will that upset the Jewish majority in the long term? Yes possibly..okay deport these non-Jews ASAP!". It must have crushed their Zionist hearts to make such a difficult decision..

 

[Infohawk]

Hey asshat, did you read the quote I put up? Their "soul searching" went something like this, "Hmm if we let them stay, will that upset the Jewish majority in the long term? Yes possibly..okay deport these non-Jews ASAP!". It must have crushed their Zionist hearts to make such a difficult decision..

Please rate major world religions from least to most preferred in your opinion.

 

[5150Joker]

Please rate major world religions from least to most preferred in your opinion.

I can tell your pea brain is trying to bait me into listing Islam as my favored religion so I'll save you the trouble so you don't burn too many calories trying to think: I rate them all as equally useless and antiquated. They were invented by people that had their own agendas and were politicized to create division. They're also a crutch for people that can't deal with the unknown and their own mortality. Thus, religions at their core are of no use in the modern world and have no place.

Now if you asked me which ethnic/racial groups I think are the most hateful/divisive, I'd say it's a 3 way tie between Muslim Saudi Arabs (and those indoctrinated by their culture), Christian White trash and Zionist Jews.

 

[Infohawk]

I can tell your pea brain is trying to bait me into listing Islam as my favored religion so I'll save you the trouble so you don't burn too many calories trying to think: I rate them all as equally useless and antiquated. They were invented by people that had their own agendas and were politicized to create division. They're also a crutch for people that can't deal with the unknown and their own mortality. Thus, religions at their core are of no use in the modern world and have no place.

Now if you asked me which ethnic/racial groups I think are the most hateful/divisive, I'd say it's a 3 way tie between Muslim Saudi Arabs (and those indoctrinated by their culture), Christian White trash and Zionist Jews.

Wasn't trying to bait you into anything. Just trying to explore your angry little mind. You think Buddhism is just as awful as other religions? Really Joker, really?

Do you consider yourself a racist?

 

[Doboji]

The holocaust deniers aside, no one in their right mind can deny two things.

(1) The holocaust did indeed occur, and that madness of the holocaust murdered not only Jews but many other minority groups as well. Human mass murder is a sad human sin, but the crime of "genocide" is and remains a all too common stain on human history.

(2) That the road to hell is paved on good contentions of fairly compensating Jews for the mis deeds of others has only resulted in another Israeli on Palestinian genocide that approaches the injustice of the original holocaust.

All we have done in the mid-east is to trade one human injustice for another almost as reprehensible.

What is the definition of genocide? Ole Hitler did it the quick way, first he robbed the Jews of their property and then he put them in concentrations camps, and then killed them. Israel instead robs Palestinians of their property, tosses them into concentration camps, but stops just short of killing them in mass so they can torture them long term instead.

Holy shit you are an idiot. You really think the Israeli-Palestinian conflict parallels WWII, and the Holocaust in particular? Are you that stupid really? How can you make a statement as asinine as that and then think anyone will take whatever else you have to say seriously.

Thats like comparing a bb gun to a nuclear warhead. Well they both shoot... so clearly they're the same thing.

 

[Doboji]

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I feel the Doboii opinion is almost baseless, particularly the part where Jews could somehow pick and choose their own homeland, when, as a historical fact, the Jewish people had a strong desire to return to Israel ever since the Romans gave them the boot in the 2'nd century AD. Such a return had been tried before but never quite became doable until after the Holocaust. But I submit, in the Jewish imagination, it was Israel, Israel, or Israel and nothing else would do. The larger world still could have still said no, but did not, but sadly, IMHO, for stinking nimby reasons that have since backfired.

Even though I am a forum critic of subsequent State of Israel behavior, to get world approval for the formation of the State of Israel in 1948, all Israeli leaders were promising to give equal citizenship rights to all inhabitants of the British Mandate, and were not true to their word. And its on the latter point that all my Israeli criticism rests.

I submit this wiki links runs rings around Doboii for facts and opinions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#10th.E2.80.9311th_century

I personally detects anti-semitism or anti-anyoneism. But ever since the Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel, almost everywhere they went, subjected them to some degree of antisemitism in the next 1800 years. But still, partly because of Jewish organization
and scholarship, they tended to out preform the non-Jewish majority, and as a almost historical fact, any nation that expelled their Jews went into instant decline, and every country that took them in flowered.

Please note - Jewish Immigration to Israel != Zionism. Zionism is the concept that only by having a Jewish homeland, with Jewish government and Jewish defense forces, can the Jewish people have a safe haven from anti-semetism both in political and in violent forms.

Israel while always being a prospect for the Jewish homeland, was not the only option considered by the Zionists... Uganda at one point was a prime candidate...

 

[5150Joker]

Wasn't trying to bait you into anything. Just trying to explore your angry little mind. You think Buddhism is just as awful as other religions? Really Joker, really?

Do you consider yourself a racist?

Buddhism is often described more as a philosophy than an organized religion. And you asked me about the major world religions which in the West are Islam/Judaism/Christianity. Next time try to be more concise, however taxing that may be on your tiny brain.