Why weren't Jewish people given part of Germany instead of religious land

[Infohawk]

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Why should a nationally diverse peoples as Jews need or deserve a homeland?

But genetically, is a German Jew any different than a German Christian?

Is a African Jew genetically similar to a Polish Jew?

And when the current Palestinian people are perhaps the the most pure genetic example of what a Biblical era Jew was at the time of Christ, its gotta lead to much head scratching and no answers.

Yippee, us human being are so inventive in finding new artificial ways to hate ourselves.

Genocide.

 

[BeauJangles]

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Why should a nationally diverse peoples as Jews need or deserve a homeland?

But genetically, is a German Jew any different than a German Christian?

Is a African Jew genetically similar to a Polish Jew?

And when the current Palestinian people are perhaps the the most pure genetic example of what a Biblical era Jew was at the time of Christ, its gotta lead to much head scratching and no answers.

Yippee, us human being are so inventive in finding new artificial ways to hate ourselves.

First, there is a difference between being religiously Jewish and being ethnically Jewish. Many Jewish people today (myself included) are 'born' Jewish, that is our mother was Jewish. In terms of genetics (which you seem so caught up on) that means that our mitochondrial DNA is passed from generation to generation and makes that DNA distinct from the rest of the world.

That is how many Jewish people in Israel define Jews, which make them more than simply a religion and (obviously) less than a race.

Many people, particularly in the US are "half Jewish" which simply means that their father (not mother) was Jewish and that they were raised with some semblance of Judaism in their life.

The only group that those three categories don't cover are the converted Jews, but let's be honest -- how many people willingly convert to a religion like Judaism?

 

[Lemon law]

In MHO, a very good Post BeauJangles, and being somewhat of the category of being
Half Jewish myself, it squares with my understanding of the whole matter.

But of course the somewhat strange thing is the last part of wanting to convert to Judaism. To some extent it explains, why, of the three similar sister religions of Judaism, Christianity , and Muslim, Judaism is the lone exception for being a non-evangelistic religion that does not actively seeks converts. And the box score today is, world wide, some 14 million Jews, 1.2-1.4 billion Muslims, and well over 2 Billion Christians are alive in the world today. Even if we could go back in time, and add back the six million Jews killed in the Holocaust, it still only gets us up to 20 million Jews. In short, Judaism is less than 2% the size of its second place competitor.

And I somewhat wonder, is it a matter of no one in their right mind would want to become a Jew, or is it a matter that Jews place artificially high barriers that deter others from Converting?

But that conversion barrier is now a ticking time bomb for Israel now, because the Arabs Muslims with Israeli citizen rights are reproducing at a far faster rate than the nominally Jewish in Israel. By my rough math, Muslims are already some 27 percent of the Israeli population, by what will that figure be in 20 Years. Already settler parties are talking about expelling Israeli Muslims as the Orthodox Jews demand new powers to further restrict and narrow the definition of who can be a Jew.

 

[nobodyknows]

When God gives you a shit hole as the promised land you're stuck with it.

LOL, that statement has more truth to it then people realize.

 

[nobodyknows]

You really don't have a clue about the indoctrination and policy of the German National Socialist Party, do you?

If you did you'd be up in arms about what is going on in your nation now.

It's always the same, in the last governmetn the people saw a common enemy in the Arabs, now it's the Mexicans, who's up next?

Perhaps you?

Put the pipe down and step away......

 

[disappoint]

my great aunt is like 93 years old and a Polish immigrant.

last thanksgiving, she yelled at me and made me take my hat off because "only jews wear hats indoors" :\

HAHAHHA!...


Serious: Was it a Fedora?

 

[Zebo]

First, there is a difference between being religiously Jewish and being ethnically Jewish. Many Jewish people today (myself included) are 'born' Jewish, that is our mother was Jewish. In terms of genetics (which you seem so caught up on) that means that our mitochondrial DNA is passed from generation to generation and makes that DNA distinct from the rest of the world.

That is how many Jewish people in Israel define Jews, which make them more than simply a religion and (obviously) less than a race.

Many people, particularly in the US are "half Jewish" which simply means that their father (not mother) was Jewish and that they were raised with some semblance of Judaism in their life.

The only group that those three categories don't cover are the converted Jews, but let's be honest -- how many people willingly convert to a religion like Judaism?

"Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,"

http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

Another interesting one
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769/F2.expansion

 

[hal2kilo]

Probably because most of the world being anti-semetic, although would not admit it publicly (USA included), conveiniently went along with the Zionist movement because it solved everybodies "problem".

 

[disappoint]

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Put the pipe down and step away......

In the 40's and 50's ships with Jews were turned away when they had nowhere to go, entire shiploads died on sea, until the 90's there was racial discriminations by law in some states, now it's about brown people.

I'm just wondering, since you support this, who will stand up for you when your time comes because as you see, it changes over time.

Not me, i don't stand up for bigots of any kind, not today and not any other day.

 

[Lemon law]

Probably because most of the world being anti-semetic, although would not admit it publicly (USA included), conveiniently went along with the Zionist movement because it solved everybodies "problem".

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Even if what you say was true in 1948, or circa 1967 when the USA started supporting
Israel in a big way, what good does it do Israel if the larger world suddenly decides supporting Zionism was a big mistake that needs correction?

Nor does the larger world per say have to be hostile to Israel, all they have to do is start selling far more arms to Arab States and Israeli military hegemony will soon be toast.

As for me, I think such an alternative would be a horrible choice because it can only lead to some future mid-east bloodbath. The other point to make is that Israel has done its bit to make sure the Palestinians under its control can never be more than minor annoyances, but the main equally dangerous threat to Israel is external terrorists groups that will increasingly in future make use of Modern technology. And will, in X years find ways to really hurt Israel regardless of Israelis military hegemony.

 

[majd]

i like how people are giving away land that is not theirs, and nobody giving a though about the people who already lived there for generations, and yet they deprive them from the right of fighting back,

maybe in 200 years they will say they are sorry like what they did for slaves and for indians.

humanity!

 

[dahunan]

In the 40's and 50's ships with Jews were turned away when they had nowhere to go, entire shiploads died on sea, until the 90's there was racial discriminations by law in some states, now it's about brown people.

I'm just wondering, since you support this, who will stand up for you when your time comes because as you see, it changes over time.

Not me, i don't stand up for bigots of any kind, not today and not any other day.

when will you post some scans of your bravado.. fucking stupid keyboard GI JOE..

Jews are no longer persecuted.. they are the enslavers .. the new nazis

they have always been a race that thought EVERYONE WAS BELOW THEM.. and your cocksucking mouth can take all their schlongs

they arent even a race.. just some people that hate jesus who Christians allow to claim they are the only people God recognizes.. wtf.. what an upside down world

 

[dahunan]

"Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group are closely related to Jews and represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,"

http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

Another interesting one
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769/F2.expansion

if they helped murder Jesus then who in their right mind would ever put it past TERRORISTS like Israelis to care if anyone is related to them.. murder is all that is on their mind

 

[dahunan]

The land was at the time ... a shithole, made to prosper and is now a well being neation except for retarded morons shooting rockets at civilians to "elimi... haha... elimi... lol... well eradicate the jews"

This area was given by the British Empire because no one fucking inhabited it at the time and the Jews wanted to go there...

There were a couple of farmers, they boght them out of the areas, Israel was built, everything that happened before or after is the consequences of fucking with a superior power and trying to take over land that legally (under international law) belongs to Israel.

Ever since the inception of Israel, there has been a will to destroy it, Hamas has expressed a will to do so and still wants to do so.

Tell me, if Mexico had wanted to do so and sent rockets towards the US, naturally you'd be all for letting them do that without trying to stop them through bombing the sights while sparing as many civilians as humanly possible?

No, in reality if such a grenade, a military grenade had landed close to you you would have asked for your nation to protect you while you would have found shelter elsewhere.

Don't fucking claim to know anything about this unless you hve actual knowledge of what it's like when you have to run down into safe bunkers every other night when you hear the alarms.

steal my land and I will try to murder and woodcutter any of your relatives.. I dont care how close they are to you genetically.. I will kill every one of them.. dont steal land and enslave people and act like the VICTIM

 

[EagleKeeper]

i like how people are giving away land that is not theirs, and nobody giving a though about the people who already lived there for generations, and yet they deprive them from the right of fighting back,

maybe in 200 years they will say they are sorry like what they did for slaves and for indians.

humanity!

Just like they wanted to steal back land that they originally sold as worthless.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Even if what you say was true in 1948, or circa 1967 when the USA started supporting
Israel in a big way, what good does it do Israel if the larger world suddenly decides supporting Zionism was a big mistake that needs correction?

Nor does the larger world per say have to be hostile to Israel, all they have to do is start selling far more arms to Arab States and Israeli military hegemony will soon be toast.

As for me, I think such an alternative would be a horrible choice because it can only lead to some future mid-east bloodbath. The other point to make is that Israel has done its bit to make sure the Palestinians under its control can never be more than minor annoyances, but the main equally dangerous threat to Israel is external terrorists groups that will increasingly in future make use of Modern technology. And will, in X years find ways to really hurt Israel regardless of Israelis military hegemony.

Increase the amount/quality of arms to other Arab/Muslim states may have a negative impact on the Palestinians.

Realize that up to now, Israel has shown restraint because she has not been threatened by the Palestinians conquering Israel - they have been a nasty thorn.

When Israel has actually been attacked by an Arab nation, she has retaliated by cleaning the area and destroying the enemy against overwhelming numbers.

Now should an Arab/Muslim nation feel enbolded to start another conflict, the Palestinians may be caught in the middle and severely hurt.

Should those weapons find there way to the Palestinians and are used, Israel will treat the Palestinians like they would any other nation that attacks her.

If those weapons are used for show; Israel will probably surgically attack when they are located.

External groups causing attacks against Israel will be doing so not for the Palestinians but for their own glory. And the host will suffer the consequences. Lebanon is a good example here.

 

[Lemon law]

EK has an interesting contention with, "External groups causing attacks against Israel will be doing so not for the Palestinians but for their own glory. And the host will suffer the consequences. Lebanon is a good example here."

But the downside rub is the EK seems to be talking terrorists within States, and Hezbollah and Hamas are prime examples. And as it is, in the disproportionate retaliation Israel used when they attacked both Gaza and Lebanon has done much to stain Israel's international standing and so has the flotilla attacks.

But I don't see the main future Israeli terrorist threats coming from terrorist with in States, but rather from terrorists with no States. Simply because international terrorist organizations want to create as much misery as possible, and if they can get Israel to retaliate against surrounding Arabs States they use to launch false flags attacks from, when Israel then attacks the surrounding Arab States the Arab State's survival becomes at stake for acts they did not commit. What perhaps delimits Al-Quida now is probably their lack of high value rocket payloads of chemical, radiological, or biological weapons.

 

[majd]

Just like they wanted to steal back land that they originally sold as worthless.

since when owning a land gives u the right to declare it as a new country?

 

[Doboji]

when will you post some scans of your bravado.. fucking stupid keyboard GI JOE..

Jews are no longer persecuted.. they are the enslavers .. the new nazis

they have always been a race that thought EVERYONE WAS BELOW THEM.. and your cocksucking mouth can take all their schlongs

they arent even a race.. just some people that hate jesus who Christians allow to claim they are the only people God recognizes.. wtf.. what an upside down world

Wow that's just gross... how would you expect anyone to take you for anything more than a raving vulgar mad man? I mean just wow.. if you said that to my face I do believe I'd beat the shit out of you.

 

[Doboji]

Interestingly a little look at history will tell you that the world didn't give the Jewish people Israel because of he Holocaust. The Jewish people made the land of Israel because they believed only by having their own nation, with it's own defense forces could the Jewish people have any hope against the raging global anti-semitism. The fact that the UN chose to recognize the Jewish state that was already there... was certainly influenced by WWII... but the idea that the world could somehow "control" where jews made their nation is just insultingly naive.

 

[Lemon law]

Interestingly a little look at history will tell you that the world didn't give the Jewish people Israel because of he Holocaust. The Jewish people made the land of Israel because they believed only by having their own nation, with it's own defense forces could the Jewish people have any hope against the raging global anti-semitism. The fact that the UN chose to recognize the Jewish state that was already there... was certainly influenced by WWII... but the idea that the world could somehow "control" where jews made their nation is just insultingly naive.

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I feel the Doboii opinion is almost baseless, particularly the part where Jews could somehow pick and choose their own homeland, when, as a historical fact, the Jewish people had a strong desire to return to Israel ever since the Romans gave them the boot in the 2'nd century AD. Such a return had been tried before but never quite became doable until after the Holocaust. But I submit, in the Jewish imagination, it was Israel, Israel, or Israel and nothing else would do. The larger world still could have still said no, but did not, but sadly, IMHO, for stinking nimby reasons that have since backfired.

Even though I am a forum critic of subsequent State of Israel behavior, to get world approval for the formation of the State of Israel in 1948, all Israeli leaders were promising to give equal citizenship rights to all inhabitants of the British Mandate, and were not true to their word. And its on the latter point that all my Israeli criticism rests.

I submit this wiki links runs rings around Doboii for facts and opinions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#10th.E2.80.9311th_century

I personally detects anti-semitism or anti-anyoneism. But ever since the Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel, almost everywhere they went, subjected them to some degree of antisemitism in the next 1800 years. But still, partly because of Jewish organization
and scholarship, they tended to out preform the non-Jewish majority, and as a almost historical fact, any nation that expelled their Jews went into instant decline, and every country that took them in flowered.

 

[Genx87]

since when owning a land gives u the right to declare it as a new country?

Have you ever read a history book?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Have you ever read a history book?

Which history book? There are thousands of them, most slanted one way or another.
This dude lives the life we can only read about. He probably has parents and grandparents he actually discusses these things with. Unlike 3/4 of the posters I see on these forums who rely on asking simple questions to anonymous strangers on the internet, rather then real people in their lives
BTW welcome majd

 

[Hacp]

I have a better question. Why didn't we take over germany after winning the war? Isn't that what the people who conquer do? We take their lands and exploit their people? We should have made the men work hard labor and use the women as breeding vessels.