Why wasn't the LHC built in the US?

[dmcowen674]

could be, hes also more articulate than you, and obviously more level headed, oh yeah, and correct. :sneaky:

Right about what?

The cyclotron has been de-commed.

He says it has not.

He is wrong.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Wall of text lies

There is nothing to suggest they will be re-activating the Tevatron.

In fact the tubes are being turned into a museum as indicated on the website.

So what do you get out of lying about the de-commed cyclotron?

RIF Dave. He didn't say they were re-activating the Tevatron. What he said was:

"One of the plans is to replace the Linac and booster with a new accelerator for the injector."

He is correct. See Project X.

You claimed that Fermilab was being shut down. You were wrong, simple as that. The Tevatron was shut down, not Fermilab, because it makes no sense to fund a research technology that is inferior and redundant with the LHC available. Fermilab is moving forward with other research and projects.

You were wrong. Admit it, get over it, and move on. Right now you're making a complete tool of yourself because, as usual, you are talking about something you have little to no actual grasp of.

btw, avoid forecasting hurricane tracks too. You suck at it.

 

[Born2bwire]

Right about what?

The cyclotron has been de-commed.

He says it has not.

He is wrong.

The Tevatron is not a cyclotron, it's a synchrotron. I mean you should at least try get at least ONE thing right.

 

[dmcowen674]

RIF Dave. He didn't say they were re-activating the Tevatron. What he said was:

"One of the plans is to replace the Linac and booster with a new accelerator for the injector."

He is correct. See Project X.

You claimed that Fermilab was being shut down. You were wrong, simple as that. The Tevatron was shut down, not Fermilab, because it makes no sense to fund a research technology that is inferior and redundant with the LHC available. Fermilab is moving forward with other research and projects.

You were wrong. Admit it, get over it, and move on. Right now you're making a complete tool of yourself because, as usual, you are talking about something you have little to no actual grasp of.

btw, avoid forecasting hurricane tracks too. You suck at it.

You are wrong too. Why did you feel compelled to jump in?

Anyone over the age of 12 would understand I wasn't talking about the whole fucking facility. I even said I was just there for a fucking weather seminar.

The only thing I will admit is that I am arguing with a bunch of fucking morans.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You are wrong too. Why did you feel compelled to jump in?

Anyone over the age of 12 would understand I wasn't talking about the whole fucking facility. I even said I was just there for a fucking weather seminar.

The only thing I will admit is that I am arguing with a bunch of fucking morans.

I am wrong about what, exactly? Project X? Nope. The fact that you can't admit you made an error in a statement and are completely unwilling to admit it? Nope.

Just stop replying already, Dave. Every reply makes you look like more of an idiot, even when it doesn't seem possible for that to happen because you've made such a complete idiot of yourself already in this thread.

You keep talking about the age of 12. Someday you might attain that age. Today is not that day.

 

[dmcowen674]

I am wrong about what, exactly? Project X? Nope. The fact that you can't admit you made an error in a statement and are completely unwilling to admit it? Nope.

Just stop replying already, Dave. Every reply makes you look like more of an idiot, even when it doesn't seem possible for that to happen because you've made such a complete idiot of yourself already in this thread.

You keep talking about the age of 12. Someday you might attain that age. Today is not that day.

and maybe someday you will make the age of 10.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Because small-minded Conservatives wouldn't want their precious beliefs threatened by a so-called "God" particle.

Why is it even called that?

When some scientists wrote a book about it they referred to it as the 'goddamn particle' as it was so hard to detect. The publisher thought that was too offensive and made it 'God particle' instead. That name stuck.

 

[Zargon]

You frequent P&N, Shirley you have to remember the debate a few years ago when Bush decided to close down Femilab in Chicago and let the Europeans gain all Science dominance.

Anyone over the age of 12 would understand I wasn't talking about the whole fucking facility. I even said I was just there for a fucking weather seminar.

The only thing I will admit is that I am arguing with a bunch of fucking morans.

you should know better than anyone on here you should actually type what you mean isntead of leaving things to be 'implied' on the interwebs. You pretty plainly say 'bush shut down fermi years ago'.


though those insisting the accellerator is still operating are clearly wrong/misinformed

 

[Born2bwire]

you should know better than anyone on here you should actually type what you mean isntead of leaving things to be 'implied' on the interwebs. You pretty plainly say 'bush shut down fermi years ago'.


though those insisting the accellerator is still operating are clearly wrong/misinformed

I don't think anyone here has asserted that the accelerator, at least the Tevatron, is currently in operation. However, the Tevatron is just one of several particle accelerators that they have and some of the other accelerators are still in operation for their own projects. Ideally, all the accelerators are chained to give a progression of boosts to the particles before they are injected into the main ring (Tevatron). They have a generator, linac, a booster ring, then the main injector, and finally the main ring. But these accelerators are often used as sources for other projects. They take beams off of the generator for sources for medical studies as I recall. NuMi and MINOS are another example where Fermi runs the main injector accelerator to produce neutrinos which are detected both on-site and in a detector out in a mine in Minnesota. They often liken the amount of steel in the detector as being a battleship's worth of armor. Anyway, that project is collecting data for at least another 2 years I think.

 

[ichy]

Only one problem. I am not wrong.

Yes you are. Fermilab is still open. Tevatron has been shut down but there is other work being done at Fermilab. A thirty second google search will tell you that.

 

[Jaepheth]

Because the Supercollider only doubles the lab output for a single city?

Maybe the president at the time thought it'd be better to go for a military victory?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Only one problem. I am not wrong.

Yes you are. Fermilab is still open. Tevatron has been shut down but there is other work being done at Fermilab. A thirty second google search will tell you that.

No shit sherlock. I said I was there for a weather seminar so obviously Fermilab is open but idiots in here insisted the cyclotron was still in operation and it is not. It has been turned into a museum.

Try reading besides a google search.

 

[SagaLore]

The better question is why the hell did we shut down Fermilab's accelerator.

 

[ichy]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Only one problem. I am not wrong.



No shit sherlock. I said I was there for a weather seminar so obviously Fermilab is open but idiots in here insisted the cyclotron was still in operation and it is not. It has been turned into a museum.

Try reading besides a google search.

Nobody insisted that Tevatron was still in operation. What they said was that Fermilab has shut down.

 

[ichy]

The better question is why the hell did we shut down Fermilab's accelerator.

Money, plus the fact that the LHC could do almost everything that Tevatron does only better (I think that Tevatron had some unique capabilities.)

What's worse is that there was a real threat that the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at Brookhaven National Lab would be shut down as well. It's safe for now, but it does some pretty unique work that the LHC can't duplicate.

 

[Born2bwire]

Right about what?

The cyclotron has been de-commed.

He says it has not.

He is wrong.

Wall of text lies

There is nothing to suggest they will be re-activating the Tevatron.

In fact the tubes are being turned into a museum as indicated on the website.

So what do you get out of lying about the de-commed cyclotron?

That's pretty lame

Fermilab is nothing without the cyclotron and you know it.

Fermilab is dead just like "Big Science" in the U.S. like that article said with the shut down of Tevatron.

You're not a man so I wouldn't expect an apology.

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Only one problem. I am not wrong.



No shit sherlock. I said I was there for a weather seminar so obviously Fermilab is open but idiots in here insisted the cyclotron was still in operation and it is not. It has been turned into a museum.

Try reading besides a google search.

The Tevatron is not a cyclotron, it's a synchrotron. I mean you should at least try get at least ONE thing right.

Ok admit, you have no idea what they do there do you?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Ok admit, you have no idea what they do there do you?

Oh come on, don't let stuff like easily provable facts get in the way of being a real man!

Anyone else noticing the similarities between this and theflyingpig? Both are predictable trolls who refuse to admit their wrong and apologize for it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Money, plus the fact that the LHC could do almost everything that Tevatron does only better (I think that Tevatron had some unique capabilities.)

What's worse is that there was a real threat that the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at Brookhaven National Lab would be shut down as well. It's safe for now, but it does some pretty unique work that the LHC can't duplicate.

I'm surprised Brookhaven didn't get the ax a long time ago.

 

[SillyOReilly]

Religious people don't care for Science.