Why wasn't the LHC built in the US?

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IronWing

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^^ Yup, the superconducting super collider was cancelled due to politics.

It was originally funded due to politics as well. Congress critters didn't give a flying flip about Higgs Bosoms, silly string, or anything else the SCSC might have explored. The Texas delegation, including House Speaker Jim Wright, just saw billions of dollars and thousands of construction jobs headed to their great state. When Speaker Jim Wright went down it created an opening to redirect the money elsewhere.
 

blankslate

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Instead, it was built in Europe. Seems like we're ceding our title, assuming we had it in the first place, of most technologically advanced country in the world when we allow such things to happen.

Because someone had to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to keep them from invading western Europe. Wars aren't cheap you know but they're more patriotic than the SSC
 

unokitty

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The SSC was first proposed in 1983, and construction began in 1991. If completed, it would have been larger in circumference and capable of producing higher energy than the LHC, according to experts who worked on it. But after nearly $2 billion had been spent on the project, Congress pulled the plug in 1993.

From Texas Scientists Regret Loss of Higgs Boson Quest

A Trillion dollars to bail out crooked banks but no money for research... Go Congress!

Uno
 

dmcowen674

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I don't think the Fermilab knows it was shut down.

http://www.fnal.gov/

You guys are the absolute worst at Internets 101

From your own link:

http://www.fnal.gov/faw/future/q-and-a.shtml

Q: What will happen at Fermilab after the Tevatron shuts down?
A: The closure of the 26-year-old Tevatron was anticipated long ago by Fermilab

Q: Will Fermilab have a successor to the Tevatron?
A: Research and development for several types of high-energy particle colliders is going on today at Fermilab and at laboratories and universities around the world. Over the next few years, results from CERN's Large Hadron Collider will point the way to which type of accelerator the particle physics community should build next. Fermilab hopes to host one of those future machines. But high-energy colliders at the Energy Frontier are expensive

Q: What will happen to the Tevatron accelerator, and the CDF and DZero detectors?
A: The period following the final shutdown of any particle accelerator is called decommissioning. In the first phase of the decommissioning of the Tevatron and the CDF and DZero experiments, we plan to open parts of the Tevatron, and the CDF and DZero experiments, to public display and tours. Not all Tevatron and detector components will remain in place. Some components may be re-used in future experiments at Fermilab and around the world, while others will be removed from the tunnel or detector cavern and safely stored.


Q: I've heard that the Tevatron and the CDF and DZero detectors will be open to the public. When can I visit?
A: We do hope to eventually make parts of the Tevatron tunnel, and the CDF and DZero detectors, available for guided tours. Plans to incorporate these areas into Fermilab's public tour programs are currently in the works.


10-1-2011

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-big-science/2011/09/29/gIQAR9SK8K_story.html


Tevatron atom smasher’s close ends era of big science



One scientist called it a 25-year adrenaline rush.

On Friday, though, the buzz will end. After a remarkable run as the most successful atom smasher in the world, the Tevatron — a four-mile underground ring about 50 miles west of Chicago — will smash no more.

At 2 p.m., Pier Oddone, director of Fermilab, the Energy Department facility that operates the Tevatron, will command the shutdown of the mammoth machine. Operators will switch off dual beams of particles that have been colliding since 1985, sprouting terrific sprays of fleeting particles that offered a glimpse of the subatomic world.

“That will be it,” said Gregorio Bernardi, a Fermilab physicist.

The closure offers a bitter endnote for American scientists, who have long warned of a shift in physics power. European scientists once traveled to Fermilab in bunches. Now, droves of American physicists fly to Geneva, home of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, which operates the LHC.

ut some American physics veterans would prefer to be operating on U.S. soil. Congress squashed that opportunity in 1993 when it canceled Tevatron’s successor, the Superconducting Super Collider, after spending $2 billion and digging 14 miles of what was supposed to be a 54-mile underground ring in north Texas.

Over the coming days, the Tevatron’s 1,000 liquid-helium cooled magnets will slowly warm. Eventually, Oddone said, a section of the Tevatron’s tunnel and one of its massive collision detectors will be converted from atom-smashing into a more quotidian task: hosting visitors as a museum.
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Dude, Fermilab was shut down, I know because I live 15 minutes from it.

I was just on Campus for a weather seminar.


Jesus Christ, do you actually bother to read or are you just trying to find something to make you look smart? Fermilab shutdown in the late 90's to add the main injector and other upgrades to the line.

It was shut down permanently last October.

Real men would apologize but I don't expect that on here because they don't exist here.
 

chimaxi83

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It was shut down permanently last October.

Real men would apologize but I don't expect that on here because they don't exist here.


Real men don't lie and make up stories on the internet, like attributing some random, mundane web story to themselves with no proof. Just sayin'.

Oh yea, vinegar.
 

allisolm

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It was shut down permanently last October.

Real men would apologize but I don't expect that on here because they don't exist here.


Tevatron does not equal Fermi lab. You said, and I quote, "Fermilab was shut down." It was not. The end.
 

dmcowen674

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Tevatron does not equal Fermi lab. You said, and I quote, "Fermilab was shut down." It was not. The end.

That's pretty lame

Fermilab is nothing without the cyclotron and you know it.

Fermilab is dead just like "Big Science" in the U.S. like that article said with the shut down of Tevatron.

You're not a man so I wouldn't expect an apology.
 
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That's pretty lame

Fermilab is nothing without the cyclotron and you know it.

Fermilab is dead just like "Big Science" in the U.S. like that article said with the shut down of Tevatron.

You're not a man so I wouldn't expect an apology.

You want to know why science is being lost in the US? Because of people like you. Science is nothing without being able to accept change when proven wrong. You epitomize the very nature of what you condemn.
 

dmcowen674

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You want to know why science is being lost in the US? Because of people like you. Science is nothing without being able to accept change when proven wrong. You epitomize the very nature of what you condemn.

Only one problem. I am not wrong.

You are right, the reason why the U.S. has gone down the crapper is because Americans bend over like you.

The back bone and spine is gone.
 

Red Storm

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We (the US) no longer give a shit about science... that is, science that isn't immediately profitable to various corporations.
 

bignateyk

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Because we're too caught up arguing about gay marriage and abortion to worry about stupid shit like science.
 
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Only one problem. I am not wrong.

You are right, the reason why the U.S. has gone down the crapper is because Americans bend over like you.

The back bone and spine is gone.

You're not wrong? You said Fermilab was shutdown. It has not been. You then made a very silly machismo request for an apology about someone else being wrong, when you were wrong.

When provided with proof of you being wrong you just deflected it and then claimed you were still right while continuing your morose attempt at getting an apology that you yourself should be providing to that person instead.

I can't even fathom why you think you twisted what I said into being anything right on your end or supporting your idiocy.

What back bone have you shown? Considering the fact that you care more for being a soothsayer (or rather a prophet of doom and gloom) and not providing proof you seem to have a fundamental disdain for scientific reasoning/understanding.
 

rasczak

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Instead, it was built in Europe. Seems like we're ceding our title, assuming we had it in the first place, of most technologically advanced country in the world when we allow such things to happen.

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politics.

There was supposed to be a supercollider built in Texas, but President Clinton and Congress decided to pull the plug.
 

dmcowen674

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You're not wrong? You said Fermilab was shutdown. It has not been. You then made a very silly machismo request for an apology about someone else being wrong, when you were wrong.

When provided with proof of you being wrong you just deflected it and then claimed you were still right while continuing your morose attempt at getting an apology that you yourself should be providing to that person instead.

I can't even fathom why you think you twisted what I said into being anything right on your end or supporting your idiocy.

What back bone have you shown? Considering the fact that you care more for being a soothsayer (or rather a prophet of doom and gloom) and not providing proof you seem to have a fundamental disdain for scientific reasoning/understanding.

What are you 12?
 

SunnyD

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There's no room in the US for underground tunnels with high tech electronics in them. We're too busy using that same land for fracking ffs!
 

Born2bwire

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It was shut down permanently last October.

Real men would apologize but I don't expect that on here because they don't exist here.

A real human being would read what I wrote, process it and actually comprehend what I said. Besides, there are other projects at Fermilab that are still going on like the Numi accelerator and of course processing the tons of data still left over from the last run of the Tevatron. And what is going to happen to the Tevatron now that the run is over? The same thing that happened the last time the last run finished (which, here's another a hint since your rabid attacks prevent you from reading, is what I was talking about). They want to upgrade it over the course of the next few years. One of the plans is to replace the Linac and booster with a new accelerator for the injector. This would follow the same course that Fermilab and CERN have followed for over 20 years. They upgrade the lines, run them for a number of years while ramping up the capabilities, then shut them down for several years for the next upgrade. They both have been doing this in a complementary fashion. The two facilities are not focusing on competing but complementing each other.
 

SunnyD

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None of this would have ever been a problem had McKay not destroyed Project Arcturus (along with the entire solar system it was in). We'd have all the exotic particles we'd ever want.
 

dmcowen674

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A real human being would read what I wrote, process it and actually comprehend what I said. Besides, there are other projects at Fermilab that are still going on like the Numi accelerator and of course processing the tons of data still left over from the last run of the Tevatron. And what is going to happen to the Tevatron now that the run is over? The same thing that happened the last time the last run finished (which, here's another a hint since your rabid attacks prevent you from reading, is what I was talking about). They want to upgrade it over the course of the next few years. One of the plans is to replace the Linac and booster with a new accelerator for the injector. This would follow the same course that Fermilab and CERN have followed for over 20 years. They upgrade the lines, run them for a number of years while ramping up the capabilities, then shut them down for several years for the next upgrade. They both have been doing this in a complementary fashion. The two facilities are not focusing on competing but complementing each other.

Wall of text lies

There is nothing to suggest they will be re-activating the Tevatron.

In fact the tubes are being turned into a museum as indicated on the website.

So what do you get out of lying about the de-commed cyclotron?