Why was there so little outcry over the massacre at Fallujah?

[OutHouse]

The U.S military was deliberately targeting women and children with incendiary WP weapons.

Much like how Israel intentionally targets schools full of children, the U.S targeted areas full of women and children, to get the maximum kill.

care to back that up? if not stfu

 

[OutHouse]

6000 innocent people's lives were ended in Fallujah as a result of the US invasion of Iraq.
How many of them were butchered and disfigured women and children, we will never know

how many civilians did the Canadians kill by direct fire or by dropping bombs on them?

 

[xj0hnx]

care to back that up? if not stfu

He can't back anything up, he hysteria was caused by an internet website "news" exclusive, it is "exclusive" because it bullshit. I am sure that some women and children were killed in bombings/artillery, but anyone that thinks the US was "directly targeting and killing thousands of women and children" is nothing more than a tool.

 

[cybrsage]

The reason there is so little outcry over the massare at Fallujah is because Saddam controlled the press when he massacred people at Fallujah. The mass graves found in various spots in Iraq showed he (and his sons) massacred people every now and again.

Saddam and his sons are dead now, so they cannot do it anymore.

 

[Jaskalas]

Because depleted Uranium and spent fuel rods are the same thing.

How do you people even stomach being Americans if you believe your nation regularly engages in such unabashed acts of villainy?

They work against us from within.

 

[QuantumPion]

Well in fairness DU that has been blasted through armor plate is much more dispersed and nasty than stuff that's being used as weights.

No it isn't. Uranium is twice as dense as lead and chemically reactive. It does not float around as dust. It is heavy. It falls to the ground, oxidizes, and becomes part of the earth from which it came.

 

[Orignal Earl]

how many civilians did the Canadians kill by direct fire or by dropping bombs on them?

Do you think it makes a difference to me when the Canadian military kills civilians?
Do you think I should shut up about civilians getting killed because it happens to Canada too?

lol no..

 

[OutHouse]

Do you think it makes a difference to me when the Canadian military kills civilians?
Do you think I should shut up about civilians getting killed because it happens to Canada too?

lol no..

I think you should bash your Canadian forces and country as much as you do America for doing the exact same thing.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I think you should bash your Canadian forces and country as much as you do America for doing the exact same thing.

lol alrighty
Post them threads up

 

[Steeplerot]

No it isn't. Uranium is twice as dense as lead and chemically reactive. It does not float around as dust. It is heavy. It falls to the ground, oxidizes, and becomes part of the earth from which it came.

Actually uranium particles jump around like a static charged dust mote: this is why they call them "fleas" in the nuke decontamination business.


Fuel fleas are microscopic hot particles of new or spent nuclear fuel. While small, they tend to be intensely radioactive.
The fuel particles, the size about 10 micrometers, are a strong source of beta and gamma radiation and a weaker source of alpha radiation. The disparity between alpha and beta radiation (alpha activity is typically 100-1000 times weaker than beta, so the particle loses much more negative-charged particles than positive-charged ones) leads to buildup of positive electrostatic charge on the particle, causing the particle to "jump" from surface to surface and easily become airborne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_fleas

 

[QuantumPion]

Actually uranium particles jump around like a static charged dust mote: this is why they call them "fleas" in the nuke decontamination business.


Fuel fleas are microscopic hot particles of new or spent nuclear fuel. While small, they tend to be intensely radioactive.
The fuel particles, the size about 10 micrometers, are a strong source of beta and gamma radiation and a weaker source of alpha radiation. The disparity between alpha and beta radiation (alpha activity is typically 100-1000 times weaker than beta, so the particle loses much more negative-charged particles than positive-charged ones) leads to buildup of positive electrostatic charge on the particle, causing the particle to "jump" from surface to surface and easily become airborne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_fleas

Actually no they do not. Hot particles do not come from new or spent fuel. Hot particles come from lose contaminate debris in piping, filters, resins, etc in nuclear reactor primary systems. Lastly, DU, or any U for that matter, can not be hot particles since hot particles by definition have high radioactivity while uranium has extremely low radioactivity. You are comparing apples to planets here. Hot particles have absolutely not a single iota to do with depleted uranium munitions in any sense whatsoever.

 

[OutHouse]

Actually no they do not. Hot particles do not come from new or spent fuel. Hot particles come from lose contaminate debris in piping, filters, resins, etc in nuclear reactor primary systems. Lastly, DU, or any U for that matter, can not be hot particles since hot particles by definition have high radioactivity while uranium has extremely low radioactivity. You are comparing apples to planets here. Hot particles have absolutely not a single iota to do with depleted uranium munitions in any sense whatsoever.

lol pwoned.

 

[blankslate]

because the major media companies don't really have an interest in reporting on what might be a fucked up situation.

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/03/censored-fallujah-lost-generation

This is a documentary I've seen on the long term effects of various munitions that were used in Fallujah on the populace and their children.

the vimeo download link is on the page right below the imbedded youtube.com video

A few veterans were interviewed as well.

Ross Caputi starting at about 13 minutes into the video. You can find him in other videos with a google search.

Gerard Mathew at about 31min. mark. describes an health related issues after returning from a tour in Iraq.

I'm sure some here will attack the source(s).
I don't know of any other organization having produced a documentary on the subject though.
Even taken with a heavy dose of the "proverbial grain of salt" it raises questions that some people probably don't want answered even on the off chance that the answers won't be to their liking.

 

[monovillage]

because the major media companies don't really have an interest in reporting on what might be a fucked up situation.

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/03/censored-fallujah-lost-generation

This is a documentary I've seen on the long term effects of various munitions that were used in Fallujah on the populace and their children.

the vimeo download link is on the page right below the imbedded youtube.com video

A few veterans were interviewed as well.

Ross Caputi starting at about 13 minutes into the video. You can find him in other videos with a google search.

Gerard Mathew at about 31min. mark. describes an health related issues after returning from a tour in Iraq.

I'm sure some here will attack the source(s).
I don't know of any other organization having produced a documentary on the subject though.
Even taken with a heavy dose of the "proverbial grain of salt" it raises questions that some people probably don't want answered even on the off chance that the answers won't be to their liking.

Sorry, but this doesn't classify as a documentary.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/documentary

it's not

Synonyms: factual, hard, historical, literal, matter-of-fact, nonfictional, objective, true

it's

Antonyms: fictional, fictionalized, fictitious, nondocumentary, nonfactual, nonhistorical, unhistorical

Another Hate America poster hits the fail button again.

 

[blankslate]

I'm sure some here will attack the source(s).

Sorry, but this doesn't classify as a documentary.

Case in point.

 

[blankslate]

*lag induced doublepost*

Is there a way to delete?

 

[xj0hnx]

because the major media companies don't really have an interest in reporting on what might be a fucked up situation.

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/03/censored-fallujah-lost-generation

This is a documentary I've seen on the long term effects of various munitions that were used in Fallujah on the populace and their children.

the vimeo download link is on the page right below the imbedded youtube.com video

A few veterans were interviewed as well.

Ross Caputi starting at about 13 minutes into the video. You can find him in other videos with a google search.

Gerard Mathew at about 31min. mark. describes an health related issues after returning from a tour in Iraq.

I'm sure some here will attack the source(s).
I don't know of any other organization having produced a documentary on the subject though.
Even taken with a heavy dose of the "proverbial grain of salt" it raises questions that some people probably don't want answered even on the off chance that the answers won't be to their liking.

After the resistance movement in Fallujah successfully repelled the first U.S. led siege of Fallujah in April of 2004, Fallujah became a symbol of heroism and resistance in Iraq.

LOL, naw, nothing bias could POSSIBLY be in that "documentary".

Due to my medical training, and field experience I was working closely with casevac, taht along with being on the ground for two weeks in city, seeing MANY dead (all males, almost all still had a weapon nearby), AND being involved in a friendly fire incident, I saw nothing that would have lead me to believe that anything nefarious was going on, certainly nothing on the level the OP, and his links are suggesting

 

[sm625]

"Why was there so little outcry over the massacre at Fallujah?"

Because half this country was convinced that we "had to" go git them a-rabs and turn em into a parkin lot. There is no more intelligence to our reactions than that. The elite control the media, which passes the message down thru the punditry, down to the masses. They totally own the message, it can be no more obvious than what happened in Iraq. They own the message, but only till the truth comes out. And then they change messages to drown out the truth.

What does Iraq matter anymore. We killed half the damn country but the word "genocide" will not be uttered. The phrase "increasing oil output" will be repeated ad nauseum..

 

[blankslate]

LOL, naw, nothing bias could POSSIBLY be in that "documentary".

Due to my medical training, and field experience I was working closely with casevac, taht along with being on the ground for two weeks in city, seeing MANY dead (all males, almost all still had a weapon nearby), AND being involved in a friendly fire incident, I saw nothing that would have lead me to believe that anything nefarious was going on, certainly nothing on the level the OP, and his links are suggesting

Where's the data that refutes the documentary? Show the data or engage in attacking the source. your choice I guess.


If you watch the whole documentary they do include statements from Bing West who asserts that depleted uranium is no more harmful than non UD munitions.

As for the White Phosphorus yes it was detonated in the air and used for illumination. There's no guarantee that people weren't exposed when it's ignited directly over a city however.

I guess you just watched a few minutes and decided it was propaganda.

As I said find another documentary on the subject and I'll watch it too.

 

[Pulsar]

As for the White Phosphorus yes it was detonated in the air and used for illumination. There's no guarantee that people weren't exposed when it's ignited directly over a city however.

I'm glad you agree that white phosporus was not used as an incendiary to massacre thousands of women and children as DCal so disingenuously stated.

This thread is comical. People randomly making things up.... wanting war to be clean, trying to make American soldiers look bad. Sigh.

Oh, and the Wikipedia Article cited about the event is currently flagged as inaccurate. Good times.

 

[xj0hnx]

What does Iraq matter anymore. We killed half the damn country but the word "genocide" will not be uttered. The phrase "increasing oil output" will be repeated ad nauseum..

Completely clueless. You utter nothing but bullshit.

Where's the data that refutes the documentary? Show the data or engage in attacking the source. your choice I guess.


If you watch the whole documentary they do include statements from Bing West who asserts that depleted uranium is no more harmful than non UD munitions.

As for the White Phosphorus yes it was detonated in the air and used for illumination. There's no guarantee that people weren't exposed when it's ignited directly over a city however.

I guess you just watched a few minutes and decided it was propaganda.

As I said find another documentary on the subject and I'll watch it too.

I've stood under illum rounds lol @ the idea of them being used to "massacre thousands". Only a completely clueless fool would suggest such complete bullshit. Where would I get data for something that wasn't done? lol

 

[blankslate]

I've stood under illum rounds lol @ the idea of them being used to "massacre thousands". Only a completely clueless fool would suggest such complete bullshit. Where would I get data for something that wasn't done? lol

Please. The narrator just decided to use special effects mock ups and fudged numbers to suggest there's been an increase in congenital birth defects in recent years.

yeah you stood underneath illumination rounds. You haven't had willey pete applied to your skin.

It could be that Saddam Hussein had a secret stash of chemical / biological weapons that was hit during the siege so why not find out?

Do we know that depleted uranium rounds weren't used during the siege?

Sure official documents say that DU is safe but I wouldn't voluntarily expose myself to any kind of uranium unprotected. Would you?

DU rounds can spread material that might be inhaled by people in the vicinity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12705453

The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel.

The reasons for the birth defects should be investigated.

Unfortunately no major news organization seems to want to devote as much time to it as the producer of the documentary.

 

[blankslate]

*double post*

 

[Steeplerot]

Actually no they do not. Hot particles do not come from new or spent fuel.

A particle released is hot if it is hot. You are using uninformed industry doublespeak.

As early as 1997, British Army doctors warned the British MoD (Ministry of Defence) that exposure to depleted uranium increased the risk of developing lung, lymph and brain cancer, and recommended a series of safety precautions.

According to a report issued summarizing the advice of the doctors, 'Inhalation of insoluble uranium dioxide dust will lead to accumulation in the lungs with very slow clearance - if any . . . Although chemical toxicity is low, there may be localised radiation damage of the lung leading to cancer." The report warns that 'All personnel... should be aware that uranium dust inhalation carries a long-term risk... [the dust] has been shown to increase the risks of developing lung, lymph and brain cancers."
Studies using cultured cells and laboratory rodents continue to suggest the possibility of leukemogenic, genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects from chronic exposure. In addition, the UK Pensions Appeal Tribunal Service in early 2004 attributed birth defect claims from a February 1991 Gulf War combat veteran to depleted uranium poisoning. Also, a 2005 epidemiology review concluded: "In aggregate the human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in offspring of persons exposed to DU."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium


Do you refill the coke machines at a nuke plant by chance? Just sayin, you have no credibility at all over an over again on the subject -just lame personal attacks. Maybe you are a toilet paper contractor who delivers rolls? 😉

 

[piasabird]

In War people get killed.

Did you count all the people in the Iraq war killed by terrorists?

How many soldiers have been killed or maimed by IED's?

I did not much like the idea of the Iraq War. I thought it was a stupid idea. It is not soldiers killing it is the commanders and the presidents and the generals that do the killing, by ordering soldiers to go to war. Soldiers do not have a choice.