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alfa147x

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Jesus lol I'm not trying to get into an argument about what size screens Lenovo makes, Lenovo doesn't make those anymore period. Their discontinued totally.

The highest screen size Lenovo currently makes is 15"..

lol look up the w701ds. They even list it on their site
 

TuxDave

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What you may be missing is that many people view the AIO form factor as a HUGE negative. So not paying to have my (only one? no thanks) monitor grafted onto my PC, thus limiting the PC is a major PLUS.

When I want to upgrade/rebuild/replace the PC, the monitor(s!) stay put. We're talking desktops, not laptops, and the iMac is a desktop, so it's a fair comparison. For those that like an AIO, good for you, but it's just a preference, not the most logical form of desktop PC the way some make it out to be..

Yeah I fall under the AIO is a plus mainly because my upgrade cycle is long enough that I don't get to reuse anything. So form factor limitations is not really an issue for me (used Shuttles and microATX systems for my last 3 upgrades) and is a very important part of my system builds. I would love to build an AIO but I just couldn't find a barebones that fit my needs.

But you have a point that if anything I try to pass the monitor onto the next system but again, the only monitor that I decided NOT to upgrade died about 3 months into the 2nd system and so it was a very short lived saving.
 

imagoon

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To answer the original post...

Personal:
I did like the Macbook I had, however it slowly was regulated to "secondary" duty because it developed the broken hinge issue that was common on that line. While was still living it was a good "sit and surf the net" machine and run snes emulators... I personally have no animosity towards Mac and would use one again if I wanted to drop the cash on it again. Also it is not that I can afford one or that mommy won't buy me one. If you think that, please grow up.

Professional:
My business applications simply are not available (I am not just talking Microsoft office) on Mac. Trying to force the issue via parallels or dual boot simply pushed the total cost of ownership way beyond the cost of PC's. Dollar for dollar (ignoring the 'quality' argument in this thread) the PC's were cheaper and required less training like teaching how to dual boot and/or start a virtual machine. We also have hardware that is not supported and would require a very large capital outlay to switch over, if it is even available. Also to properly manage the systems I would need the OSx servers etc. Also while virus and malware issues are far less prevalent on Mac, you would be kidding yourself to say they don't exist and the machines would need to be protected just like the Windows PCs.

So... Nice small machines that do what they do well. Things that they don't do well, it gets hard and expensive really fast. I would use one if I had one but at this point I am not willing to buy one. To give you reference... My main desktop is my gaming rig, my most used laptop is an old Dell D600 laptop that is like 8 years old.
 
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James Bond

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EndlessMike sounds like the absolute biggest bummer of a person. You must have tons of friends.

lol
 

Tyranicus

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What are you pirating when you make a Hackintosh and you buy the OS? Nothing, Apple just doesn't want you to use their OS on non-Apple branded products. That's not pirating; Apple can go screw off.

Form factor? Is that really the best excuse you can give? lmao

EULA violations aside, do you have any idea how much work maintaining a hackintosh install is? Enthusiasts like myself will do it gladly, but a lot of people don't want the hassle. If you buy a Mac, you can install any update without fear.
 

speg

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Are people seriously saying the Mac is actually a great value?

For the same price of a 27" iMac, which is $2000; you could build an insanely powerful PC that blows away the iMac easily.

To top it all off, if you love OS X so much you can just install it on your PC.

Apple grossly overcharges for their Macbooks and iMacs and even iPhones/iPads to a lesser extent; it's part of the reason why they make such a huge profit on every item they sell.

Yes, you've "uncovered" the Apple tax. Apple products are luxury items, and not meant to cater to low end. What you may be failing to consider is the intangible things you gain w/ the Apple tax.

Yes, with $2000 I could build a awesome PC but it would also cost me time, peace of mind, and frustration. I'd have to research which parts are compatible, learn how to hack the software, physically put the thing together, troubleshoot any problems, etc...

Or I could plug in the iMac's power cord.

In economics, which is the study of human decisions we compare things not with currency (as you seem to want to do) but by something called utility.

So the real comparison is something like:

iMac + support ...

Vs.

Hackintosh - time - effort ...

You're arguing solely that the performance of a $2000 hackintosh is greater than the performance of a $2000 iMac. And you're right! I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that.

But if you cannot acknowledge the other factors in the utility equation you will never understand why one chooses what they do.

Also, everyone has a different utility function. Some may value certain things more than others.

For example, why would I choose an iMac over a hackintosh? Because I don't want to part out a machine, have to build it and fight with it every time the OS is updated. The time and effort I save by not doing that is worth just as much utility as the increaased performance of the hack.
 

Zaap

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Maintaining a Hackintosh isn't all that difficult- it just requires a little prior planning beforehand- stuff that's been hashed over here and elsewhere countless times. I'm convinced only people that ENJOY trouble blindly update their one and only OSX install on a Hack without bothering to research what kexts they may need and/or trying it first on an easily replaceable backup install. No, it's not for your grandmother, but then again, that's why she is probably better off with an iMac.

As for updates- those don't get my work done. There's been NOT ONE really noticeable plus to doing any update since 10.6.1 except 10.6.6 added the app store. Even that only matters if you really need the app store. Sometimes Hackintosh owners make a lot of fuss about updates only for many to see a number change in the 'About this Mac' but without really considering did it do ANYTHING ELSE at all for them? None of the OSX updates have made Final Cut do anything faster, or Photoshop, or much of anything else. A few might have been required to update iTunes, iLife or Suckfari or something, but mostly only because Apple sets it up that way. All this said, I simply researched what needed to be changed (if at all) with my systems and haven't had much trouble with updates. The only one I can recall that was any issue was way back to 10.5.6 and my DS4 system at the time. And that one I merely skipped until 10.5.7 came out.

In General: Why is it people take this whole subject so personally, until it comes down to name-calling, lame car analogies (Dear god enough with those!) and then all out FUD slinging? These things are just tools for some of us, not a cult we belong to or way of life.
 

Joseph F

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Power, low price, build quality and portability; all staples of Lenovo.

I am the biggest Lenovo fanboy there ever was. :)
Too bad they put shit GPUs in all but the most expensive models.

But I was hoping this thread wouldn't turn into an argument... I guess some things are too much to hope for.
 
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deanx0r

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Why do Apple haters have to be smug about their hardware purchases? They always assume Apple users are sheeps, or that they are NOT power users and blew their money on hipster computers.

I always get approached by people like endlessmike when they see me using a Mac. And it's the same story over and over. You saved $500 because you build your own computer? Whoopee fucking doo! Now shut the fuck up and move on with your life please.

Oh yeah, thanks for the lolz.
 

endlessmike133

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Why do Apple haters have to be smug about their hardware purchases? They always assume Apple users are sheeps, or that they are NOT power users and blew their money on hipster computers.

I always get approached by people like endlessmike when they see me using a Mac. And it's the same story over and over. You saved $500 because you build your own computer? Whoopee fucking doo! Now shut the fuck up and move on with your life please.

Oh yeah, thanks for the lolz.
It's just hilarious though dude; not only did we save $500 we also have much better performance than you.
 

Kadarin

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I use Macs because:

- We use them at work.
- Terminal with unix shell = win
- iTunes + Airplay + iPhone + iPad integration all made easy
- Stability
- Form factor
- 27" iMac has beautiful screen, doesn't take up much space, and is QUIET
- Mini works great for HT, hooked up to my 65" Samsung LED, is also QUIET
- MBP is a nice comfortable machine to work on, with an orgasm-inducing trackpad

I'm not a spec junkie and I don't play many games (currently just the occasional SC2 against the AI, which the iMac handles great). These machines are great when the focus isn't on the machine so much as it is on what you do with them.
 

deanx0r

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It's just hilarious though dude; not only did we save $500 we also have much better performance than you.
lol Look at this tool.
The sad part is that he is not faking it.

To answer the OP, I use Macs because:
-Trackpad: absolutely the best. And no one else in the industry has figured out that this should be the first thing they need to copycat.

-OSX: I originally planned to install Windows on my MBP, but I found OSX to be much more efficient when it comes to workflow. You get more work done, and don't have to fight with the system.

-Hardware: MBP have this unique combination of build quality, form factor, screen and battery life. It's not just about raw specs.

-Attention to details: The UI is beautiful, terminal is easy on the eyes vs prompt, the smooth scrolling etc... I could go on, but those little touches actually make using a computer more enjoyable.
 

intogamer

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I am the biggest Lenovo fanboy there ever was. :)
Too bad they put shit GPUs in all but the most expensive models.

But I was hoping this thread wouldn't turn into an argument... I guess some things are too much to hope for.

This. However, the prices are inflated to oblivion. It's kind of a pain in the ass to buy on EPP/Discount codes.

With Apple stuff, you know there is going to be a consistency in the pricing. I have peace in mind, knowing that I don't need to wait for the best promo codes to stack for a decent deal.
 

runawayprisoner

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I love Mac because...
- It uses a LOT less power than Windows and some Linux distributions to run.
- It runs on hardware designs that are a LOT quieter than any PC I can build.
- It runs on hardware designs that are a LOT cooler than any PC I have handled.
- The build quality, construction and material are things I can't buy on PC.
- Apple technical support is polite and helpful when I have something to ask.
- The screen is just beautiful.

Bit more software-centric...
- Mac OSX is less prone to slow down and stutter.
- It practically doesn't have any malware worth mentioning.
- I can run something else that is not Mac OSX without any issue.
- I don't have to defragment my hard drive every week.
- The OS is both 32-bit and 64-bit, and applications go into one folder.
- I don't have to worry about software updates or something else screwing stuffs up.
- I can type texts in one window and use the trackpad or magic mouse to pan around another window without losing focus on my work.
- I can peek at all of my open windows, just certain windows of an application, or the desktop, all with the press of a button, or with a flick on the trackpad.
- I can finally work more and worry less about how the computer runs.
 

QueBert

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It's just hilarious though dude; not only did we save $500 we also have much better performance than you.

Depends on what you do, for music production a PC blows, and as stated a Hackintosh requires work to keep working. I would never ever use a PC to make music, it's an absolutely horrible experience. AISO sucks sweaty balls. Let me know when I can buy Logic for my PC...

Also for video FCP's worlds better than what's on the PC. PC's are better for gaming, that's it that's all. As for the much better performance, in most things it will be only slightly faster. Much better? hardly. And if you do music production or graphics a PC will almost always be slower.

I have OSX on my PC, and I will say it boots much quicker than my Win 7, and it feels more responsive. So I'm going to imagine even with less powerful hardware a Mac will feel more responsive than a more powerful PC. My Win 7 takes a hair over 2 minutes from the time I see the Windows logo till I can actually use it. My Hackintosh it's about 45 seconds.

Enjoy your GAMING rig.
 
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nerp

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I like the 27 inch screen of my iMac. That's why I bought it. I don't care if it's overpriced. I can afford it. I have a WHS box and a couple w7 machines but I tend to use the iMac more than anything because it's just nicer to use for what I do for work. My employer supplied me with a macbook pro. That's what opened me up to macs. Before that I bashed macs like your typical idiot who is biased for no reason.
 

ubercaffeinated

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i use macs because i like the fact that a single company controls both the hardware and the software to create a highly polished machine that works seamlessly for the user - and it looks good to boot. furthermore, their customer service is freaking awesome. and i don't care if i have to pay more for it, because i know i can't create the same thing by building my own machine (in reality i don't believe i'm paying significantly more - i think i'm paying more to get something better).

i have a pc gaming rig that i maintain when i have to, but my daily go to machine for anything else outside of gaming will be a mac. i'm happier with macs over all, and i was tired of the rat race of building and upgrading a faster machine to appease the ever increasing demands of the windows environment.
 

Zaap

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Also for video FCP's worlds better than what's on the PC. PC's are better for gaming, that's it that's all. As for the much better performance, in most things it will be only slightly faster. Much better? hardly. And if you do music production or graphics a PC will almost always be slower.
You don't sound like any kind of real professional. I work for a major studio and both Macs and PCs are everywhere. Macs are great at some things, but not for everything- serious 3D animation, compositing and rendering for example.

I hate the bullshit put out by zealots from either side of the stupid platform wars. "This sucks! That sucks." No, you suck because you blame tools rather than your own lack of ability to use them. Shut up already.
 
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Sulaco

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I hate the bullshit put out by zealots from either side of the stupid platform wars. "This sucks! That sucks." No, you suck because you blame tools rather than your own lack of ability to use them. Shut up already.

/thread.

You, sir, have sense.
 

Emulex

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trackpad pwns. it looks good. so does my bmw. well constructed. don't have to patch it as much as my windows boxes. runs windows in a pinch
 

sourceninja

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Maintaining a Hackintosh isn't all that difficult- it just requires a little prior planning beforehand- stuff that's been hashed over here and elsewhere countless times. I'm convinced only people that ENJOY trouble blindly update their one and only OSX install on a Hack without bothering to research what kexts they may need and/or trying it first on an easily replaceable backup install. No, it's not for your grandmother, but then again, that's why she is probably better off with an iMac.

As for updates- those don't get my work done. There's been NOT ONE really noticeable plus to doing any update since 10.6.1 except 10.6.6 added the app store. Even that only matters if you really need the app store. Sometimes Hackintosh owners make a lot of fuss about updates only for many to see a number change in the 'About this Mac' but without really considering did it do ANYTHING ELSE at all for them? None of the OSX updates have made Final Cut do anything faster, or Photoshop, or much of anything else. A few might have been required to update iTunes, iLife or Suckfari or something, but mostly only because Apple sets it up that way. All this said, I simply researched what needed to be changed (if at all) with my systems and haven't had much trouble with updates. The only one I can recall that was any issue was way back to 10.5.6 and my DS4 system at the time. And that one I merely skipped until 10.5.7 came out.

In General: Why is it people take this whole subject so personally, until it comes down to name-calling, lame car analogies (Dear god enough with those!) and then all out FUD slinging? These things are just tools for some of us, not a cult we belong to or way of life.

I'm sure none of those updates improved security at all right? That is why I never bothered patching windows xp...none of the updates gave me any new features.....

I'm sorry, I'm not putting my livelihood on a hackintosh. It's a toy, not much else.
 

Andrmgic

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I personally always wonder why people choose to use a "PC", other than the "it's cheaper" reasoning?

Here are the reasons I own a PC -


1. I can upgrade the hardware without buying a new machine
2. Windows still has more applications (games)

a mac can use bootcamp, but every mac except the mac pro pales in comparison when it comes to the graphics card.

If we're talking about pre-built PCs, I would not choose one over a mac.

As for why someone would (aside from price, which is a huge factor for anyone buying a pre-built pc)

1. Windows is familiar territory
2. They know that their hardware will work with it
3. Easier to find someone to help with their problems

Case in point, I bought a mac mini for my mother.. sat down with her and tried to teach her how to use it.. she lasted about 2 weeks before she wanted to go back to Windows XP on a PC.

So i took the mac and built her a new PC and loaded Windows XP on it and gave it to her and she's been much happier. Windows is what she's used to, so that is where she will stay.
 
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