Why use macintosh?

[endlessmike133]

You buy what you want. It's obvious an iMac isn't worth it for you, but there are a fair number of people who do find it worth it. They buy computers once every 4-5 years if that even, and will use that mac until a shamed relatively convinces them to buy a new one.

Sure there are people who buy them every time a release is made, and they're ridiculous, but if that's what they want to spend their money on... power to them I guess?

I don't care what people spend their money on.

I don't care if people want an iMac and are willing to spend their money on it.

I do care if someone tells me an iMac isn't an overpriced machine.

That is exactly why I will never buy a box pc again. I don't want something taking up space on my floor. Notebooks or AIO computers for me please.

I hope you enjoy your mediocrity.

 

[endlessmike133]

Fuck this.
The fact that you are having difficulty viewing this from someone else's prospective reveals your ignorance towards the matter.

I'm done.

The fact that you are having difficulty supporting your viewpoint without relying on stupid excuses like breaking the law and form factor reveals your ignorance toward the matter.

 

[Ns1]

The fact that you are having difficulty supporting your viewpoint without relying on stupid excuses like breaking the law and form factor reveals your ignorance toward the matter.

 

[endlessmike133]

Now you resort to calling me a troll.

How delightful.

I'll say this again: I am not your enemy, I don't hate Apple or their products, I don't think you are stupid if you buy one of the many overpriced Apple product.

Just don't sit there and tell me that they are not overpriced and that your decision is entirely logical.

It's pretty funny to see how delusional Apple fans can get when arguing for Apple's pricing; breaking the law, "form factor", trackpad, 1-inch, never wanting to buy a box PC again, not needing a good GPU, etc.

 

[oogabooga]

I don't care what people spend their money on.

I don't care if people want an iMac and are willing to spend their money on it.

I do care if someone tells me an iMac isn't an overpriced machine.

I hope you enjoy your mediocrity.

An iMac isn't overpriced. You're analyzing the components and a lack of what you consider features. I could analyze any PC and say "Sure, but it has a seperate box, WHY WOULD YOU TOLERATE THAT?!" and I'd rightly be an idiot for doing so.

Whether you value them or not, features of the iMac outside of their components are:
1) The build quality/Longevity of (most) Macs
2) OSx
3) AIO form factor

These three factors obviously don't equate to enough to justify the higher cost to you. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that (and quite frankly I agree and I don't own an iMac). I would hope at LEAST you can see why someone would want those things, even if you wouldn't value them as much as someone willing to pay for a mac would.

TLDR; They are overpriced to you (and that's fine) but that's not true for everyone.

 

[sourceninja]

I hope you enjoy your mediocrity.

Just think of how much faster I could get this php script done with a solid state hard disk, 16 gigs of ram and a Nvidia 470 video card!

Like it or not, a computer is just not about raw internal power any more than a car is. I don't shop for cars by looking at how powerful the engine is and how much gas it uses and base my purchase on that. I buy my cars based on how they look, how they meet me needs, AND how powerful they are/ gas they use.

No different then buying a PC. I look at what I want to do, what is required to get that job done, what I like, what is pleasing to my eye, and what I can afford. Then I look at which of those thing's I've found is the best buy.

I recently need a computer for a htpc. I toyed with building my own or buying one of those tiny one's from dell. But to get the power I needed (based on reading reviews) I would have to spend 500-700. The mac mini was not the cheapest thing to get the job done, but it was in the range, would get the job done (and then some) and was the most ascetically pleasing. Thus I spend the 600 on the mini.

Honestly, my next computer (which will probably be in 4-5 years) will probably be a notebook or AIO computer. They look good, get the job done, and take up little space. I lean to the notebook for the extra bonus of portability. I have a apple 24 inch display at home, so as long as we keep using mini-displayport I'm good to go.

I find that I actually need less power as time goes on. As stated my current 2010 macbook pro has no advantage over my 2008 macbook pro (pre-unibody). Even though on benchmarks my current macbook kills the old one. The only thing even remotely taxing my computer these days is Dragon Age 2.

 

[endlessmike133]

An iMac isn't overpriced. You're analyzing the components and a lack of what you consider features. I could analyze any PC and say "Sure, but it has a seperate box, WHY WOULD YOU TOLERATE THAT?!" and I'd rightly be an idiot for doing so.

Whether you value them or not, features of the iMac outside of their components are:
1) The build quality/Longevity of (most) Macs
2) OSx
3) AIO form factor

These three factors obviously don't equate to enough to justify the higher cost to you. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that (and quite frankly I agree and I don't own an iMac). I would hope at LEAST you can see why someone would want those things, even if you wouldn't value them as much as someone willing to pay for a mac would.

TLDR; They are overpriced to you (and that's fine) but that's not true for everyone.

1. Build quality/Longevity

If you build you're own PC with good parts the build quality and longevity will be just as good, if not better than the Macs.

2. OS X

You can get OS X on a PC.

3. AIO Form Factor

There's no real, quantifiable advantage for an AIO Form Factor besides maybe style reasons.

But I'll give you that.

Anyways, those 2 factors could equate for a higher price; except those 2 factors aren't exclusive to Apple PCs my friend.

So if you take away those 2 factors you're only left with the AIO Form Factor.

If an AIO Form Factor is enough to justify a huge price mark up for significantly less performance than go ahead my friend; I won't judge you..but I will laugh at you on the inside.

 

[Ns1]

It's pretty funny to see how delusional Apple fans can get when arguing for Apple's pricing; breaking the law, "form factor", trackpad, 1-inch, never wanting to buy a box PC again, not needing a good GPU, etc.

Conversely, it's funny seeing Windows users defending their laptops with shitty non-gesture trackpads, GeForce99999 w/ 5gb of ram, 17" screens, weighing 10 pounds and getting 2.5 hours of battery life all while talking about how "awesome" their machine is while they surf ATOT.


See how that goes?

1. Build quality/Longevity

If you build you're own PC with good parts the build quality and longevity will be just as good, if not better than the Macs.

time = money

 

[sourceninja]

Now you resort to calling me a troll.

How delightful.

I'll say this again: I am not your enemy, I don't hate Apple or their products, I don't think you are stupid if you buy one of the many overpriced Apple product.

Just don't sit there and tell me that they are not overpriced and that your decision is entirely logical.

It's pretty funny to see how delusional Apple fans can get when arguing for Apple's pricing; breaking the law, "form factor", trackpad, 1-inch, never wanting to buy a box PC again, not needing a good GPU, etc.

Just like all those jokers who buy anything but sports cars. All those features just add cost and rob you of power. Waste of money right?

 

[Ns1]

oh fuck, there I did it. I fed the troll.

 

[endlessmike133]

Just think of how much faster I could get this php script done with a solid state hard disk, 16 gigs of ram and a Nvidia 470 video card!

Like it or not, a computer is just not about raw internal power any more than a car is. I don't shop for cars by looking at how powerful the engine is and how much gas it uses and base my purchase on that. I buy my cars based on how they look, how they meet me needs, AND how powerful they are/ gas they use.

No different then buying a PC. I look at what I want to do, what is required to get that job done, what I like, what is pleasing to my eye, and what I can afford. Then I look at which of those thing's I've found is the best buy.

I recently need a computer for a htpc. I toyed with building my own or buying one of those tiny one's from dell. But to get the power I needed (based on reading reviews) I would have to spend 500-700. The mac mini was not the cheapest thing to get the job done, but it was in the range, would get the job done (and then some) and was the most ascetically pleasing. Thus I spend the 600 on the mini.

Honestly, my next computer (which will probably be in 4-5 years) will probably be a notebook or AIO computer. They look good, get the job done, and take up little space. I lean to the notebook for the extra bonus of portability. I have a apple 24 inch display at home, so as long as we keep using mini-displayport I'm good to go.

I find that I actually need less power as time goes on. As stated my current 2010 macbook pro has no advantage over my 2008 macbook pro (pre-unibody). Even though on benchmarks my current macbook kills the old one. The only thing even remotely taxing my computer these days is Dragon Age 2.

So you admit the only reason you spend the ridiculously huge mark up on Mac products and settle for the low performance is because how they look to you?

thanks for admitting that.

 

[endlessmike133]

Just like all those jokers who buy anything but sports cars. All those features just add cost and rob you of power. Waste of money right?

You trying to compare the automobile market with the computer market to justify Apple's pricing is quite honestly the most ridiculous, delusional and sad thing I've ever seen an Apple fan post in regards to Apples prices.

 

[sourceninja]

1. Build quality/Longevity

If you build you're own PC with good parts the build quality and longevity will be just as good, if not better than the Macs.

duh

2. OS X


You can get OS X on a PC.

And you would be violating a license agreement as well as all the technical problems. Will my next update kill my computer? Some of us need to do real work on our computers. We need it supported. A hackintosh is a toy, nothing more.

3. AIO Form Factor

There's no real, quantifiable advantage for an AIO Form Factor besides maybe style reasons.

But I'll give you that.

How about space? If I put a desktop on the floor my cats will clog that bitch up by sitting on and around it. Plus dust, carpet fibers, etc will mean a constant cleaning nightmare. I used to clean my computer weekly when it was on the floor, so I put it on my desk. No more dirt problem (and yes, we clean weekly). Why do I want to waste more desk space?

Anyways, those 2 factors could equate for a higher price; except those 2 factors aren't exclusive to Apple PCs my friend.

So if you take away those 2 factors you're only left with the AIO Form Factor.

If an AIO Form Factor is enough to justify a huge price mark up for significantly less performance than go ahead my friend; I won't judge you..but I will laugh at you on the inside.

And windows AIO computers also have a large price increase over box computers. In fact in many cases with very shitty monitors built into their AIO designs (and shitty AIO designs).

Not to mention the touch pad. I'm seriously, this single piece of hardware is amazing. Without my touchpad I'm lost. I'm so gesture oriented that I get very annoyed when forced to used a mouse.

 

[sourceninja]

You trying to compare the automobile market with the computer market to justify Apple's pricing is quite honestly the most ridiculous, delusional and sad thing I've ever seen an Apple fan post in regards to Apples prices.

I am not a apple fan. I'm a apple hardware and osx fan. I was pointing out that I don't need the power my current computer has. I got the value I expected out of my purchase AND got features IMPOSSIBLE to get anywhere else that were a REQUIREMENT for me. That equals a good buy.

Can you explain how spending more money on a car that doesn't have a faster engine is any different then spending more money on a computer that doesn't' have a bigger gpu?

 

[endlessmike133]

Honestly, I'm done arguing.

Like I said I couldn't give two shits about what you spend your money on.

I like MacBooks and iPhones/iPads, they are great products; even if the MacBook Pro is horrendously overpriced compared to Lenovo Laptops which are tons better in almost every way.

 

[alfa147x]

I thought you were endless?
:sneaky:

 

[oogabooga]

TLDR; "I don't value that, so anyone who does value that is a moron who is paying for overpriced goods"

It's really like asking:
LOL why would get a DSLR when your camera has a phone?
LOL why would you get a Agera R when you can get a civic and rice it?
LOL why would get a mac instead of building your own custom pc and trying to get a hackintosh to run on it for hours instead of doing other things with your time?

And the answers to those questions:
- Cause I've decided the DSLR's image quality and features are worth it for me.
- Cause I've decided the Koenigsegg's quality and features are worth it for me. And I'm fucking rich
- Cause I've decided the mac's quality and features are worth it for me.

I thought you were endless?
:sneaky:

His 17" pimp gaming laptop is about to run out of batteries. BETTER IN EVERY WAY

 

[Ns1]

His 17" pimp gaming laptop is about to run out of batteries. BETTER IN EVERY WAY

 

[endlessmike133]

TLDR; "I don't value that, so anyone who does value that is a moron who is paying for overpriced goods"

It's really like asking:
LOL why would get a DSLR when your camera has a phone?
LOL why would you get a Agera R when you can get a civic and rice it?
LOL why would get a mac instead of building your own custom pc and trying to get a hackintosh to run on it for hours instead of doing other things with your time?

And the answers to those questions:
- Cause I've decided the DSLR's image quality and features are worth it for me.
- Cause I've decided the Koenigsegg's quality and features are worth it for me. And I'm fucking rich
- Cause I've decided the mac's quality and features are worth it for me.



His 17" pimp gaming laptop is about to run out of batteries. BETTER IN EVERY WAY

Lenovo doesn't make 17" Laptops son

 

[alfa147x]

Lenovo doesn't make 17" Laptops son

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834146933

 

[endlessmike133]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834146933

OUT OF STOCK

And that's a Laptop for real professionals that want to get work done.

 

[Anteaus]

Quite simply to say OSX is less versatile is just pure fanboyism with no proof behind it.

I didn't say it was less versatile (if i did it was accident ). I said it had less mainstream software options, which means average joe as less choices. That's fact. The reason it has less mainstream software options is because it's lower user base, which is due to a average higher price point as well the imac being pigeonholed into All-in-one usage. It's hard for developers to create content for a computer that has limited and nonupgradable cpu/gpu capabilities in comparison to what the average PC gamer has. The imac is just a overengineered macbook with a big display. Personally, I think if Apple lowered the price of the Mac Pro and pushed Nvidia and ATI toward offering more GPU options I think they could claim a much larger market share. Unfortunately they don't seem to be interested in that. For now its all phones and tablets.

Like I had posted earlier, I like Apple. I think they make amazing stuff. I'm glad that you like it. Just because you like a particular horse doesn't mean it is necessrily going to win the race in every category, so please don't take it personal. This isn't a PC versus Apple thread. I was simply stating what is considered to be universally true in regards to mainstream markets.

I was incorrect about the Unix certification, so I'll concede that point.

 

[alfa147x]

OUT OF STOCK

And that's a Laptop for real professionals that want to get work done.

I thought you said that Lenovo doesn't MAKE 17 inch laptops... I didn't know the requirement was that NewEgg had to stock it.

 

[oogabooga]

OUT OF STOCK

And that's a Laptop for real professionals that want to get work done.

I too like to deflect rather than admit I'm wrong in any way shape or form, especially about something as minor as the size of laptops lenovo makes. :whiste:

 

[endlessmike133]

I thought you said that Lenovo doesn't MAKE 17 inch laptops... I didn't know the requirement was that NewEgg had to stock it.

Jesus lol I'm not trying to get into an argument about what size screens Lenovo makes, Lenovo doesn't make those anymore period. Their discontinued totally.

The highest screen size Lenovo currently makes is 15"..