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Why use macintosh?

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JSt0rm said:
While I do agree with you on the zealot point I think FCP is taking a lot of market share from avid. Now on the 3d render side yes lots of pc stuff but on the audio/film editorial side there is a majority of mac usage. I would dare say that in the audio world the mac usage is damn near 100%.

Now i think avid has made some great moves in the last year and they could regain some market share from fcp but they also have a mac install so I dont think they would be pc only.
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Avid only remains because it's so entrenched that many vets who are schooled in it simply won't give it up, and still wield the power to keep it around. I use FCP for a living- but talking FCP or AVID or anything else is merely talking about ONE aspect of post production: editing.

Before you can even get to that you have to PRODUCE content to edit. That's done using every kind of serious workstation in existence. Filmed shots and FX shots are generated/telecined/ composited/cleaned up/color-corrected, etc. using all manner of different computers and applications, many of them OF COURSE, PC-based. Plenty of audio production is PC-based as well, or the applications and workstations wouldn't even exist and all pro audio hardware/software would be Mac-only.

My point was, only someone who's never set foot in any kind of real professional environment making these stupid "PCs suck! Just for gaming! Blah! Blah" or "Macs suck! No apps! Blargh! Blargh!" typical fanboi nonsense has no clue what they are talking about and are just spouting biases borne of their own lack of knowledge. It gets old and annoying.

Of course, FCP is great- I listed it as the #1 reason I use OSX.

But modern productions don't get made by lameass fanbois sitting around admiring their damn plastic computer cases that aren't really anything special anyway, they get made by professionals that know their shit using using pretty much any kind of machine/OS you put in front of them.
 
Zaap said:
Avid only remains because it's so entrenched that many vets who are schooled in it simply won't give it up, and still wield the power to keep it around. I use FCP for a living- but talking FCP or AVID or anything else is merely talking about ONE aspect of post production: editing.

Before you can even get to that you have to PRODUCE content to edit. That's done using every kind of serious workstation in existence. Filmed shots and FX shots are generated/telecined/ composited/cleaned up/color-corrected, etc. using all manner of different computers and applications, many of them OF COURSE, PC-based. Plenty of audio production is PC-based as well, or the applications and workstations wouldn't even exist and all pro audio hardware/software would be Mac-only.

My point was, only someone who's never set foot in any kind of real professional environment making these stupid "PCs suck! Just for gaming! Blah! Blah" or "Macs suck! No apps! Blargh! Blargh!" typical fanboi nonsense has no clue what they are talking about and are just spouting biases borne of their own lack of knowledge. It gets old and annoying.

Of course, FCP is great- I listed it as the #1 reason I use OSX.

But modern productions don't get made by lameass fanbois sitting around admiring their damn plastic computer cases that aren't really anything special anyway, they get made by professionals that know their shit using using pretty much any kind of machine/OS you put in front of them.
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:thumbsup:
 
lightest 17" money could buy ($1100 macbook 17" 2.66 1920x1200 8gb) - couldn't find anything lighter with the quality screen equal.

amazing resale value (i could sell it for $1100 for the next two years instantly).

even more amazing resale value when its 5 years old i can still sell it for a chunk of change - where as a dell probably get $25 tops.

BMW quality has fallen tremendously lately but their residual (73% @ 24months) is amazing - as long as someone buys into that i find it a good value.

pretty amazing apple service - that which rivals HP business notebooks. nobody comes close to those two. This.
 
Zaap said:
But modern productions don't get made by lameass fanbois sitting around admiring their damn plastic computer cases that aren't really anything special anyway, they get made by professionals that know their shit using using pretty much any kind of machine/OS you put in front of them.
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I agree with this point.


Look I too work in the film industry. I work in audio post production and in this world there are very few pc's. On the stage mixing films I would say the number approaches 100%.

There are probably a few odd ball composers using a pc and some people may have a pc to run some specific program or vst but 99% of the work happens on protools on macs.
 
Both platforms are great. Mac has better aesthetics overall(Hardware). PC's have stronger performance for less. PC's get the advantage on apps because of more apps, and no matter "how nice and polished an app looks" it comes to the individual's creativity/work ethic. I can make a beat on Ableton(windows) and Logic(mac) and still have a dope production regardless of what I use. I can program and render on both platforms as well. In 2011, it comes down to trend and looks and that's what apple has been crowned for. I live in LA, 5 minutes away from Hollywood, and I can tell you that Apple products are very trendy. Billboards with Apple propaganda, walls with Apple propaganda, bus banners with Apple propaganda. If you want to pay the premium for less hardware performance and wonderful aesthetics then mac is there. If you want more hardware performance and less attractive aesthetics than PC is for you. So if you care about looks on something you work on, that might come off a bit materialistic.
 
endlessmike133 said:
Fine.

Sager NP5160 vs Macbook Pro 13 inch

15.6-inch 1920x1080 LED-Backlight Screen vs 13 inch 1280x800 Screen (lol)

1GB GDDR3 nVidia Geforce GT540M with Optimus Technology/Embedded Intel Graphics vs Intel HD Graphics 3000 (lol)

i5-2520m @ 2.5GHz vs i5 2nd generation @ 2.3GHz

320GB 7200RPM HDD vs 320GB 5400RPM HDD (lol)

4GB DDR3 RAM vs 4GB DDR3 RAM

Price of Sager: $924

Price of Macbook: $1200


I would've compared a Lenovo laptop but they haven't launched their Sandy Bridge Laptops yet (but when they do their guaranteed to be cheaper and more powerful than the MacBooks, just like all their other laptops are lol).
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Are you really comparing that plastic piece of crap to a MBP? You just proved yourself wrong IMO.
 
It seems people that like mac really want a nice case. Thats what it comes down to. Informed people prob pick it because of the design, case, osx, n bat life. Uninformed pick it for a bunch of wrong reasons that can be seen by all the mac commercials. (Mac vs Pc)
 
what i wonder in threads like these, is why some who have 580gtx's and I7 overclocked on $300 mobo's upgrading every year really give a damn about "Overpaying" on anything? lol

That's like spending $4000 on a 3d TV with BR and a junk Sony amp and telling someone their stupid for paying $2000 on a Sunfire theater grand reciever. lol WTF is wrong you types.

KeypoX said:
It seems people that like mac really want a nice case. Thats what it comes down to.
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no different than many pc enthusiasts spending $300 + for a cosmos-s case and the like, most of which is a mixture of thin aluminum and cheap plastic.
for tablets and laptops, i'd much rather have the aluminum Apples. its a preference and obviously such details pays off in spades as Apples sales show

but its not about hardware anyway, its about the user experience. Even the packaging of Apple's is done nice, its really no different than it is with automotives where people pay a $2400+ higher price just for voice navigation unit option like the Honda Fit for example.
 
Don't you Mac users just wish Apple would release a product with good specs that isn't ridiculously overpriced, barring the iPhone/iPad?

I mean just look at the Mac Pro..what a fucking joke.
 
endlessmike133 said:
Don't you Mac users just wish Apple would release a product with good specs that isn't ridiculously overpriced, barring the iPhone/iPad?

I mean just look at the Mac Pro..what a fucking joke.
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Nope. What do I need that much power for?

It's not like I convert videos 24/7 as a profession. And Mac OSX works smoothly (not just smooth enough but absolute smooth) on much inferior hardware than the Mac Pro.
 
endlessmike133 said:
Don't you Mac users just wish Apple would release a product with good specs that isn't ridiculously overpriced, barring the iPhone/iPad?

I mean just look at the Mac Pro..what a fucking joke.
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Sold my 2010 13" MBP for 1000 and bought the 2011 13" MBP for 1200. They are not really overpriced. I have never used a laptop that I liked more than my MBP. They are fantastic machines.
 
The MacBook Air is pretty reasonably priced when you compare it to its competitors.
 
runawayprisoner said:
Nope. What do I need that much power for?

It's not like I convert videos 24/7 as a profession. And Mac OSX works smoothly (not just smooth enough but absolute smooth) on much inferior hardware than the Mac Pro.
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Gaming, video/photo editing, etc?

Sure if all you do is browse the web than I guess a MacBook Air would be fantastic for you; but if you do real work and want to get shit done or play games you're gonna want something with much more power than any overpriced MacBook/iMac offers.

And the Mac Pro is just a fucking joke.
 
Joseph F said:
^Agreed at Mac Pro being retarded but you really don't need to use such harsh language in this discussion.
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Don't get me wrong I love Apple's philosophy and products but anybody who doesn't see that their main focus is nickle and diming their consumers is blind. Most of their products are ridiculously overpriced, sleezly priced (I love it how I have to shell out at least $2000 for a quadcore computer, it's either go huge or don't go at all), a goal of being an unstoppable practical monopoly digital store leader who gets complete say of what software is suitable and what isn't, and a whole bunch of other shit.
 
JSt0rm said:
Look I too work in the film industry. I work in audio post production and in this world there are very few pc's. On the stage mixing films I would say the number approaches 100%.

There are probably a few odd ball composers using a pc and some people may have a pc to run some specific program or vst but 99% of the work happens on protools on macs.
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You're probably right, the Mac is definitely king of audio production. Right tool for the right job.


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The MacPro gets a bad rap. For what it is (at base, not the add-ons) it is not a bad deal at all. It's a workstation class computer, not for the average consumer. Compare it to workstations of the same class made by just about anyone else, (or better yet, try and build a computer to the same specs) and you'll see it's actually cheap.

But of course, few consumers actually NEED the workstation hardware; it will do nothing for the average person needing a desktop for the usual home/gaming/business tasks. Even for a pro doing high end work, one can easily get by with so-called 'lesser' hardware.

The Mac Pro is just glaring evidence of the large 'gap' in the lineup where a decent consumer mini-tower would fit, and probably satisfy a lot of people like myself.

But let's face it- Apple is guilty as charged of overpriced hardware if you actually dare to upgrade a MacPro on Apple's site. It's so bad it's painful: Apple actually will ream you $100(!!) for a DVD Burner! ($18 virtually anywhere outside the Apple Reality Distortion Field). $300 for a 2TB hard drive! ($90-$120 or so back on planet Earth).

The kicker is probably that they pass off $800 worth of ECC SDRAM for $1700 for whoever it is actually that willing to bend over and get taken.

As many times as I've heard the old spiel about how easy it is to open and work inside a Mac Pro (and therefore how it's the greatest metal box that holds PC parts ever devised by mankind in all of eternity) it flabbergasts me that *anyone* could ever be so lazy and clueless that they'd get reamed by these insane amounts, rather than just buy elsewhere for reasonable planet EARTH prices, and install themselves.

But then again, on the flip side, they actually offer the option of a 3.3Ghz 6-core Xeon Westmere cheaper than you'll find it anywhere else- pretty much keeping in line with the base Mac Pro itself.
 
Honestly IMO I think the pro is quite expensive at base and it only gets worse from there. And like you said I really wish Apple would make a mid-tower Mac. What the hell have they been smoking? they're missing out on a huge market.

Then again if you're more comfortable using the professional applications on OSX and you need the processing power then I suppose it's worth it.
 
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Joseph F said:
Honestly IMO I think the pro is quite expensive at base and it only gets worse from there. And like you said I really wish Apple would make a mid-tower Mac. What the hell have they been smoking? they're missing out on a huge market.

Then again if you're more comfortable using the professional applications on OSX and you need the processing power then I suppose it's worth it.
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Thats the point of that computer.

You are correct that they need a mid level atx cased computer but they dont want to eat into the macpro market.

I own a macpro and I love it. I do a massive amount of work with it and it has payed for itself multiple times.

The BTX case design is very nice.
 
^ Why would any company feel ashamed for selling a product? It's what companies are in business to do. If no one ever bought a Mac Pro, you might have a point.

BTW, just spewing the same trolling nonsense over and over isn't exactly making your case.
 
Zaap said:
BTW, just spewing the same trolling nonsense over and over isn't exactly making your case.
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I just read some other threads he has posted in. Troll is pretty much all he does. Especially in the threads where people have some money to spend. He calls people names because of it.

I think he's just some poor kid who thinks he's a know it all.

For the rest of us that have jobs....Well, you know 😀
 
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