Why Trump decision to block Biden transition matters

[Jhhnn]

Trumps handling of this election and transition is frankly embarrassing for this country.

If you think it's just that, you're not thinking very hard. Trump threatens to overthrow Democracy.

 

[blackangst1]

If you think it's just that, you're not thinking very hard. Trump threatens to overthrow Democracy.

Drama queen much? Youre sincerely not sane if you believe that.

 

[MrSquished]

Drama queen much? Youre sincerely not sane if you believe that.

It's the early stages but what do you call denying and trying to invalidate the results of an actual democratic election? It's not just Trump, it's most of the former Republican party going along with it. Multiple R challengers who lost their races are also refusing to concede. Most Republicans believe this election was fraudulent and stolen. I see people online questioning the results in NJ. Democracy ends when people don't believe in it, and that is coming from the cult leader himself, that's just for starters.

 

[blackangst1]

It's the early stages but what do you call denying and trying to invalidate the results of an actual democratic election? It's not just Trump, it's most of the former Republican party going along with it. Multiple R challengers who lost their races are also refusing to concede. Most Republicans believe this election was fraudulent and stolen. I see people online questioning the results in NJ. Democracy ends when people don't believe in it, and that is coming from the cult leader himself, that's just for starters.

Meh...so what? He can cry all he wants. Despite what people say he's not an emperor. There are separation of powers for a reason. His drama show wont stop the transition. Worst case scenario he gets dragged out by Secret Service. Theres nothing he could do to stay in power. Period.

 

[Jhhnn]

Drama queen much? Youre sincerely not sane if you believe that.

I doubt he'll succeed, but it won't be for lack of intent or sycophants to help him. Otherwise there's no point to their current efforts.

 

[MrSquished]

Meh...so what? He can cry all he wants. Despite what people say he's not an emperor. There are separation of powers for a reason. His drama show wont stop the transition. Worst case scenario he gets dragged out by Secret Service. Theres nothing he could do to stay in power. Period.

I didn't say Trump will stay in power, but the first step to overthrowing Democracy is to question the integrity of the system to the point that it gains significant traction. You have a majority of 70 million voters believing that the whole system is rigged and fraudulent and a majority of the republican party humoring this position because without the support of the cult, they all lose. The stage is set for the future. You should at least be able to see that

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."

 

[blackangst1]

I doubt he'll succeed, but it won't be for lack of intent or sycophants to help him. Otherwise there's no point to their current efforts.

Read my response above yours. Youre being dramatic.

 

[Sonikku]

Biden barely won. States where millions voted were decided by a five thousand votes here, ten thousand votes here. Without a quarter million Americans dying to covid, small businesses collapsing and an economic depression hurting everybody but the rich, I strongly suspect Trump would have won even in spite of all of his scandals. Biden will pay a far graver price in the polls than Trump ever did for any mistakes he makes. And four years from now Trump will absolutely eviscerate any Republican that dares challenge him for the primary. As we speak the collective GoP is so scared out of their minds of Donald Trump that few among them is even willing to acknowledge Biden won the election. Trump may not hold office, but Trumpism isn't going anywhere. Some points to bear in mind;

-Trump is likely not going to jail for anything he's done. Dubya was a war criminal. He was never held accountable for any of the things he's done. Even if the Donald were charged, the legal system has been rebuilt into a two tier system that serves people like him in a way that it does not for the rest of us. And trump has proven adept time and time again at weaseling out of the consequences.
-Trump has better political instincts than Biden does. He channels anger that resonates with the powerless. Biden does not. If anything making the case for medicare for all in a time when people were losing their jobs and by extension their healthcare in a time of a pandemic would have been an easy win. But he didn't do those things. He had parades of celebrities give him their endorsement instead. Trump will eat him alive in 2024.
-Trump may face bankruptcy from all his overdue loans. But his base won't care. He could tell them it was the deep state emerging from the shadows to hurt him and they would believe it.
-If Trump makes a Trump network, I FULLY expect his base to abandon Fox News for his. Conservatives seek affirmation of their beliefs, not facts. Even Fox News is being dismissed for "being too liberal" for saying pesky things like Biden won the election.

 

[dawheat]

I didn't say Trump will stay in power, but the first step to overthrowing Democracy is to question the integrity of the system to the point that it gains significant traction. You have a majority of 70 million voters believing that the whole system is rigged and fraudulent and a majority of the republican party humoring this position because without the support of the cult, they all lose. The stage is set for the future. You should at least be able to see that

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."

I agree - we may look back at this event as the start of the eventual loss of confidence in our democratic process. Millions of Americans believe that election was rigged - the gullible and stupid who can't comprehend the cynicism and selfishness of Trump (surely he wouldn't lie about something as important as this). So next election, does it become the norm for the loser to claim it was rigged? Does it eventually lead to a point where partisan courts have to decide an election?

Empires fall slowly - and sometimes faster when someone takes a kick at a crumbling foundation.

 

[HomerJS]

Meh...so what? He can cry all he wants. Despite what people say he's not an emperor. There are separation of powers for a reason. His drama show wont stop the transition. Worst case scenario he gets dragged out by Secret Service. Theres nothing he could do to stay in power. Period.

Separation of powers means nothing to the guy who flouted the oversight authority of the Legislative Branch. He's already endangering the welfare of the country by withholding transition information/approvals from Biden. Yeah, I know you care about Trump, not the country.

 

[blackangst1]

Separation of powers means nothing to the guy who flouted the oversight authority of the Legislative Branch. He's already endangering the welfare of the country by withholding transition information/approvals from Biden. Yeah, I know you care about Trump, not the country.

What? None of what I said is false. How you read it as pro-trump is beyond me.

 

[Jhhnn]

Read my response above yours. Youre being dramatic.

You're dodging the point entirely. Trump intends to hold power if he can, despite having lost the election. The GOP is giving him aid & comfort to make the attempt. It won't hurt their feelings one bit if he's successful.

 

[HomerJS]

What? None of what I said is false. How you read it as pro-trump is beyond me.

I read it as a lack of concern for the welfare of the country.

 

[blackangst1]

You're dodging the point entirely. Trump intends to hold power if he can, despite having lost the election. The GOP is giving him aid & comfort to make the attempt. It won't hurt their feelings one bit if he's successful.

1. No they're not.
2. As I said, he can't. Not gonna happen.

 

[blackangst1]

I read it as a lack of concern for the welfare of the country.

That's on you then.

 

[Lanyap]

You're dodging the point entirely. Trump intends to hold power if he can, despite having lost the election. The GOP is giving him aid & comfort to make the attempt. It won't hurt their feelings one bit if he's successful.

Don’t forget Amy, et al.

 

[blackangst1]

Don’t forget Amy, et al.

The Army cant, under federal law. be deployed inside the US.

 

[Jhhnn]

1. No they're not.
2. As I said, he can't. Not gonna happen.

Yes they are. DeSantis offered that GOP legislatures should appoint their own slate of electors & none of them have spoken against the Stop the Steal fol de rol. When Trump questions the honesty of the elections, they let him.

 

[blackangst1]

Yes they are. DeSantis offered that GOP legislatures should appoint their own slate of electors & none of them have spoken against the Stop the Steal fol de rol. When Trump questions the honesty of the elections, they let him.

OK? And hows that going? Protip: nowhere.

 

[nickqt]

Biden barely won. States where millions voted were decided by a five thousand votes here, ten thousand votes here. Without a quarter million Americans dying to covid, small businesses collapsing and an economic depression hurting everybody but the rich, I strongly suspect Trump would have won even in spite of all of his scandals. Biden will pay a far graver price in the polls than Trump ever did for any mistakes he makes. And four years from now Trump will absolutely eviscerate any Republican that dares challenge him for the primary. As we speak the collective GoP is so scared out of their minds of Donald Trump that few among them is even willing to acknowledge Biden won the election. Trump may not hold office, but Trumpism isn't going anywhere. Some points to bear in mind;

-Trump is likely not going to jail for anything he's done. Dubya was a war criminal. He was never held accountable for any of the things he's done. Even if the Donald were charged, the legal system has been rebuilt into a two tier system that serves people like him in a way that it does not for the rest of us. And trump has proven adept time and time again at weaseling out of the consequences.
-Trump has better political instincts than Biden does. He channels anger that resonates with the powerless. Biden does not. If anything making the case for medicare for all in a time when people were losing their jobs and by extension their healthcare in a time of a pandemic would have been an easy win. But he didn't do those things. He had parades of celebrities give him their endorsement instead. Trump will eat him alive in 2024.
-Trump may face bankruptcy from all his overdue loans. But his base won't care. He could tell them it was the deep state emerging from the shadows to hurt him and they would believe it.
-If Trump makes a Trump network, I FULLY expect his base to abandon Fox News for his. Conservatives seek affirmation of their beliefs, not facts. Even Fox News is being dismissed for "being too liberal" for saying pesky things like Biden won the election.

Had Trump taken COVID seriously, worn a mask and had his Death Cult Members wear theirs, and avoided the substantial lockdowns and death toll, he almost certainly would have won re-election.

That said, Trump doesn't have better "instincts" than Biden. Biden is just who more actual Democratic primary voters voted for. He wasn't inspiring at all, and he would have gotten more votes than Trump, but less EC Votes. Just some generic, boring, 70-something white guy.

Trump is just an artifact of this country being founded by white nationalists, and the electoral college. Had Bush II lost in 2000, we wouldn't be anywhere near this fucking worst timeline.

 

[Lanyap]

The Army cant, under federal law. be deployed inside the US.

Amy Coney Barrett

 

[jameny5]

Biden barely won. States where millions voted were decided by a five thousand votes here, ten thousand votes here. Without a quarter million Americans dying to covid, small businesses collapsing and an economic depression hurting everybody but the rich, I strongly suspect Trump would have won even in spite of all of his scandals. Biden will pay a far graver price in the polls than Trump ever did for any mistakes he makes. And four years from now Trump will absolutely eviscerate any Republican that dares challenge him for the primary. As we speak the collective GoP is so scared out of their minds of Donald Trump that few among them is even willing to acknowledge Biden won the election. Trump may not hold office, but Trumpism isn't going anywhere. Some points to bear in mind;

-Trump is likely not going to jail for anything he's done. Dubya was a war criminal. He was never held accountable for any of the things he's done. Even if the Donald were charged, the legal system has been rebuilt into a two tier system that serves people like him in a way that it does not for the rest of us. And trump has proven adept time and time again at weaseling out of the consequences.
-Trump has better political instincts than Biden does. He channels anger that resonates with the powerless. Biden does not. If anything making the case for medicare for all in a time when people were losing their jobs and by extension their healthcare in a time of a pandemic would have been an easy win. But he didn't do those things. He had parades of celebrities give him their endorsement instead. Trump will eat him alive in 2024.
-Trump may face bankruptcy from all his overdue loans. But his base won't care. He could tell them it was the deep state emerging from the shadows to hurt him and they would believe it.
-If Trump makes a Trump network, I FULLY expect his base to abandon Fox News for his. Conservatives seek affirmation of their beliefs, not facts. Even Fox News is being dismissed for "being too liberal" for saying pesky things like Biden won the election.

He will get "away" with his crimes after he becomes a private citizen.

I don't get why people are asking why there wasn't a Democratic wave in the Presidential election.

Analysis: Democrats came out in full force to get rid of Trump. On the flip side - The Republicans did the same to keep Trump!
Let's get real people. It was nothing more than people being in a furor over Trump's governance. And those that revered and championed his cause.

What more could it be?

 

[blackangst1]

Amy Coney Barrett

What about her? She has nothing to do with the subject.

 

[cytg111]

A lot of people don't like him, yourself included. I get that. Your bolded comment is over the top, IMO. He's still the President, until he's not. Wishing death is not cool and it reveals a lot about the kind of hate residing within you. Show us on the doll where the POTUS harmed you. I may have some ointment for your sore ass.

Kids in cages. The whole of the free planet cried that day.
He touched the kids.

 

[HomerJS]

What about her? She has nothing to do with the subject.

I find it interesting Trump blocking the transition IYO is only embarrassing and not dangerous.