why there are so many suicide bombers

[0roo0roo]

and in the end, only one side has been implimenting mass murder evil as you think the zionists might be.

Yes, the zionist side.

mass murder of civilians eh? shows how intellectually dishonest you are. if the israelis were bent on genocide like the palestinians were.. THERE WOULD BE NO PALESTINIANS LEFT. it would be a simple matter for a large powerful military. one side minimizes civilian casualities whenever possible. the fact that you can't see this simple difference shows how brain washed you really are.

 

[Gaard]

Fact - A piece of land that the Palestinians are currently fighting over (Gaza strip) was previously owned by Egypt. In 1977, Israel and Egypt signed a peace agreement where the Siani Penninsula would be returned to Egypt. Israel also offered the Gaza strip. Egypt refused.

Fact - In 1994, Jordan signs a peace agreement with Israel. Israel offers the West Bank back to Jordan. Jordan refuses

I don't understand these two refusals. The two countries (Egypt & Jordan) just didn't want them? The peace agreements were signed, so why not accept the land?

 

[chemwiz]

I think it's really interesting to note that 2 major Arab countries, Egypt and Jordan, refused to accept the territories back. Israel takes over land during a genocidal attack on their country in order to shorten their borders and make them more defensible, and gets saddled with a bunch of maniacs that even the Arab countries won't take responsibility for. If the Israeli Army and Government are so terrible, why are ANY of these people still alive? What would have happened if the circumstances were reversed, would there be even one Israeli left alive if the Arabs had won? I think the restraint they've shown by even attempting to negotiate with these terrorists is incredibly admirable.

 

[0roo0roo]

jordan didn't want the palestinian trouble makers. probably would distablize their already shaky regiem. from what i remermber, arafat really caused trouble there. egypt probably rather liked the palestinians as a pawn...a thorn in israels side. its a mess. the arab states didn't really want to help the palestinians.. they were just a tool to use against the evil jews

 

[shuan24]

Off topic:

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If the Terminator hadn't gone back in time in the first place, Kyle Reese wouldn't have followed him. Thereby negating any possibilty of impregnating Sarah Connor and John Connor wouldn't have been conceived. The machines, themselves, set in motion the events leading to the birth of John Connor.

That IS the whole irony of the Terminator.

 

[BOK]

Originally posted by: shuan24
Well, true, but if a body of people have a sovereign government, then I consider them a nation.

I agree. But this sovereign government didn't exist until Yasser Arafat came to power. It was established in an area which was reluctantly owned by Israel.

 

[BOK]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

and in the end, only one side has been implimenting mass murder evil as you think the zionists might be.

Yes, the zionist side.

mass murder of civilians eh? shows how intellectually dishonest you are. if the israelis were bent on genocide like the palestinians were.. THERE WOULD BE NO PALESTINIANS LEFT. it would be a simple matter for a large powerful military. one side minimizes civilian casualities whenever possible. the fact that you can't see this simple difference shows how brain washed you really are.

Brain washing is easily accomplished with a tablespoon of antisemitism and a dash of hatred.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Don't even bother with hagbard - now that he has his Junior Al-Aqsa ID Ring that he ordered from the back of the latest Martyr-Man comic book, he feels like a kindred spirit to the many unidentifiable remains of his heroically self-destructive brethren.

 

[BOK]

Originally posted by: sward666
Don't even bother with hagbard - now that he has his Junior Al-Aqsa ID Ring that he ordered from the back of the latest Martyr-Man comic book, he feels like a kindred spirit to the many unidentifiable remains of his heroically self-destructive brethren.

"Martyr-Man comic". ROFL!!! Thanks for the tip.

 

[povertystruck]

Is zionism a myth? Because I haven't read any comment by someone pro-Israel that acknowledges zionism.

And Canada could accomadate palestinians (for a price of course), they would not be a province, an island would be perfect. We put up with native-americans, french people, and we take in lots of immigrants. Some could live in Quebec, french people don't like jews(at least in France anyways).

Im surprised there haven't been any pro-Israel members to suggest a solution that would be acceptable to the palestinians. If Israel wants security; they have to be good or the palestinians need to go far away, somewhere 'nice' not bad.

 

[shuan24]

Why do the Palestinians need to go away? Cant we all just get along? I mean, I interact with Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Catholics....yada yada yada on a daily basis. I dont feel a need to advocate hatred and suicidal bombings. These people need to get over it, and realize that terrorism is not the answer.

 

[Miramonti]

If you don't have something to die for then you haven't lived.


(braveheart?)

 

[povertystruck]

The palestinians have to go away because the jews will not. Terrorism does accomplish some tasks (exaple: U.S. troops left shortly after 200+ U.S. soldiers were killed by a truck bomb that entered their barraks). The jews and the arabs for the most part cannot in the near future 'get along'. The hatred is known in the old testment of the bible. I forget where I read about it in the bible, but look on the net if you want im sure someone has the directions.

Look on google using these keynames: Isaac, Ishmael, and Jacob ( father and his two sons ).

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: BOK
Ok Hagbard...

Fact - Jews occupied that territory for thousands of years, with the exception of a few decades where the Turks conquered and expelled them.

Most of those calling themselves "jews" are in fact of Russian decent. Fact, most of the people in that part of the world are and have been Arabs.

Fact - After WWII, the UN partitioned the territory in two parts - half to the Arabs and half to the Jews (btw, we're talking half of what we know today as Israel -- far more territory than what the Israelis will give up today). The Jews agreed to their half. The Arabs wanted it all.

Fact- Israel declared itself a Jewish State and took it all. And why wouldn't the Arabs want it all, its theirs.

Fact - A piece of land that the Palestinians are currently fighting over (Gaza strip) was previously owned by Egypt. In 1977, Israel and Egypt signed a peace agreement where the Siani Penninsula would be returned to Egypt. Israel also offered the Gaza strip. Egypt refused.

The boundaries are a creation of Western imperialism. Its all Arab land in that area.

Fact - In 1994, Jordan signs a peace agreement with Israel. Israel offers the West Bank back to Jordan. Jordan refuses.

Just more distortions.

Fact - The Palestinians will never be satisfied until Israel as a nation is extinct and all Jews are expelled from the region.

Fine by me.

Fact - The basic rule of engagment for the Israeli army is to shoot only if shot at 1st. They are a very humane military -- just like the USA.

Just as brutal as the US, you mean. Try passing your "humane military" theory off on native Americans, Cubans, Vietnamese, etc....As for Israel, we all know how they treat Palestinians, so quit your bs.

Why would anyone in their right mind assault the Israeli army with stones? Because they they have the comfort of knowing that most likely, they won't shoot back.

You are one ignormous. The only think that keeps them from carrying out their genocide all at once is that the rest of the world doesn't buy their US backed Bull Shyt.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: BOK

Originally posted by: shuan24
I dont know much about the conflict, but here are my 2 cents:

First, I can clearly see why US is friends with Israel. They are democratic, they share somewhat the same ideals as we, and they are consistently terrorized. I'll admit, I never knew how much Jew influence there is in the states, but I give sympathy to anybody who gets terrorized. (Or maybe, the Jew media has us believing that they're being terrorized....who knows? ) Then again, maybe the Jew media has us believe that a man walked on the moon.

I cant really blame the US for aiding Israel so. We aided ol' Bin Laden himself in the eighties, that was a mistake. The point is, we aid ANY country that we sympathize too. We've probably (too lazy to look up) aided every single country in the world by now.

Like I said in another thread, I call it as I see it, and if it happened to the US, then Palestine would be history, i.e. Afghanistan. IMHO, if Israel declares war on Palestine, then I'll have to sympathize with Israel, NOT because I'm Jew (which I'm not) but because we, as Americans, can not be hypocritical when it comes to our actions and polices towards terrorism when compared to another country.

If Israel did Palestine wrong (which I'm sure they did somehow), then Palestinians need to resolve it through peaceful measures, or face the consequences of violence. The US does not OWN the world or U.N. (although it does have a major part in it).

There is no such thing as "Palestine". They are not a nation. It's a piece of land occupied by Arab refugees. It is not claimed by any neighboring Arab state, because they want to use the Palestinians as their pawns to terrorize the Jewish people. By doing this, they have the best of both worlds -- peace with Israel (which is militarily superior to any neighboring Arab state) while making their lives miserable.

Now there is the number one lie of the Israelis. Palestinians have been in that part of the world for thousands of years, at least as long as those calling themselves Jews have. Lacking a nation state means nothing. Its their land and they have every right to drive off aggressors and trespassers.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

and in the end, only one side has been implimenting mass murder evil as you think the zionists might be.

Yes, the zionist side.

mass murder of civilians eh? shows how intellectually dishonest you are. if the israelis were bent on genocide like the palestinians were.. THERE WOULD BE NO PALESTINIANS LEFT. it would be a simple matter for a large powerful military. one side minimizes civilian casualities whenever possible. the fact that you can't see this simple difference shows how brain washed you really are.

Think about what would happen in the Israelis carried out their program of genocide all at once? How do you think the rest of the world outside of N. America would respond to that?

 

[0roo0roo]

oh, your grasping at straws now. genocide through collateral damage? i don't think so. i doubt there are that many bomb makers to kill to boot. not to mention the palestinians breed like rabbits. is this the 100 thousand year final solution your thinking of? the israelis will be gone by then considering suicide bombers kill women and children, and not just men. the palestinians kill 4 times as many women. funny how that works out eh? you kill a populations WOMEN and CHILDREN if you are genocidal..as the palestinians obviously are.

far out conspiracy theories are all you have, how sad.


the palestinians learned nothing from ghandi, and they don't want to learn anything from ghandi. they've dug their own hole.

the problem is after ww2, the world denazified germany and japan, yet left the middle east arab states as a mass of fanatical hatred.

 

[povertystruck]

Where do you get your information concerning the ration of israeli women killed to palestinian women killed? Who has killed more, israeli's or palestinians. (total, not specific)? I hope the where you get this info, isnt the same place where you are told about nazis in Japan.

maybe you wish to comment on this, or maybe no:

'The Israeli army says it has killed at least 200 Palestinians in its sweeping 10-day offensive in the West Bank'.


site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1915793.stm

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: B00ne

why there are so many suicide bombers

don't worry give it enough time and the problem has solved by itself

By that logic there shouldn't be any homosexuals left either. In practice, it doesn't quite work that way.
Bill

 

[0roo0roo]

i get my figures by reading books. it was probably from a book called just war against terror or some other book, i do not remember exactly.

but you probably didn't read it anyways.

heres the first link off google when i searched for israeli womena nd kill ratio.

seems the kill ratio for israeli women is 9 to 1


as for my statements about denazifying germany and japan. you know very well what i ment, don't even try to twist it. to destroy structures of hate and remove people who spread disinformation and indoctrinate their people.

Tonight I was reading "Israel's Dangerous Crossroads" in The Nation magazine when I came across this tidbit on Sharon's ability to provide Israeli security:

Sharon has not delivered on any of his promises. During the past two years, more than 700 Israelis have been killed, with more than 4,000 wounded (the corresponding figures for Palestinians is about 1,800 killed and more than 20,000 wounded)...
I noticed the reflexive need to include Palestinian mortality figures, even in an article which is focused on internal Israeli politics and security. I had a hunch, and decided to see if I could dig up some more information on these numbers. (Yes, I suspect I'm probably the last person in the blogosphere to do this excercise, but, well, what the heck...)

I discovered this very interesting article (and shorter summary, more recently updated) from the Institue for Terrorism and Counter-Terror (ICT), which broke the numbers down.

Hunch confirmed: The death tolls lumped combatants and nocombatants together (in combat situations, the Israeli army was clearly more effective), and included Palestinian suicide bombers, Palestinian victims of Palestinian suicide bombers, Palestinian "collaborators" killed by other Palestinians, and death by natural causes in with genuine noncombatant casualties.

Its a bit like lumping WWII concentration camp death tolls in with German combatant and noncombantant casualty figures, and labelling the mass "Germans Killed" and placing it alongside "Allies Killed". Its not that the numbers are wrong, per se, but rather are misleading: when trying to form an opinon about the morality of a state, the number innocent deaths is a meaningful statistic; their military kill ratio against other combatants connotes something altogether different.

A few highlights:

80% of Israelis killed were non-combatants; compare with 19% of Palestinians. Doing the math, this is 560 dead Israeli noncombatants, versus 361 Palestinian noncombatants.
55% of Palestinians killed were full/partial combatants or violent protestors; only about 20% of Israelis were in this same category.
"Palestinians are directly responsible for the deaths of at least 253 of their own number -- more than one out of every eight Palestinians killed."
"Women and girls account for 31 percent of all Israelis killed in the conflict, and almost 40 percent of the Israeli noncombatants killed by Palestinians. Palestinian fatalities, in contrast, have been consistently and overwhelmingly (over 95 percent) male."
"Palestinians have killed at least 174 noncombatant Israelis aged 45 and over, while Israelis have killed 65 Palestinian noncombatants in the same age bracket. The ratio is 2.7 to 1."
A large number of Palestinians were killed under "unknown" circumstances: 23% or 437. I count these neither as combatants nor non-combatants. The reader may make either assumption and go over my previous numbers, adding these bodies in according to their personal prejudices.http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000031.html

By Bret Stephens, Jerusalem Post, May 30, 2002



According to data compiled by the Jerusalem Media and Communications Center - a Palestinian research organization - 1,296 Palestinians were killed by Israelis in the period between September 30, 2000 and May 7, 2002. Of that number, 37 were women, or 2.8% of the total. (A less credible Palestinian organization puts the tally at 65 women, or 5.3%.)

Similarly, Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs records 496 Israeli deaths (including 138 uniformed soldiers or policemen) due to Palestinian terrorism over the same time-frame, among which were 126 women. That's a little over 25% of the gross toll.

Breaking it down further, another Palestinian group, the Palestine Monitor, provides an age distribution for Palestinians killed. It shows that 75.1% were between 16 and 39. Another 11.7% were under 15, and only 11% were over 40.

By contrast, a back-of-the-envelope calculation shows the equivalent Israeli figures were 57.7%, 7.4% and 34.9%, respectively.
Put another way, proportionally more than three times as many middle-age and elderly Israelis have been killed than Palestinians in those age groups. For women, the ratio is nine-to-one. Among children, Palestinian fatality rates are somewhat higher than Israeli ones. But Israeli children do not, as a rule, march on Palestinian military outposts, stones in hand. Then too, the high Palestinian number includes all Palestinian suicide bombers operating within the territories and the Gaza Strip, as well as 210 members of the PA's security forces and about 100 members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.http://www.likud.nl/press218.html