Why the GTX470 was right for me.

[happy medium]

When do you think DX12 will come out?

When Windows 8 is released and the playstation 4 and Xbox 720.
End of 2012 I would guess.

 

[Wreckage]

When do you think DX12 will come out? I plan to keep my 460s for 3 years or so. Hopefully the GTX660 will have come out by then. I like skipping generations.

Yeah I'm betting Microsoft will want to tie the next DX release to the next Xbox. So that will be 2012 or later. It seems with the release of the Kinect they are going to try and extend the life of the 360 as long as possible. Still even DX11 is just now getting some real use. When it launched last year it was just a patch in a few obscure games. I plan I using my current card for at least 2 years, 3 will be even better and should be possible.

 

[tyl998]

Man I feel so behind. I just got Windows 7 and only about 7 months ago did I seriously start using the PS3.

I hope a new system doesn't come out anytime soon.

 

[Wreckage]

Man I feel so behind. I just got Windows 7 and only about 7 months ago did I seriously start using the PS3.

I hope a new system doesn't come out anytime soon.

Nah you are doing fine. I read somewhere (can't remember exactly) that new consoles from both Sony and MS will be delayed so they can milk the current ones a bit longer. Besides Sony has a 10 year plan for the PS3 just like the PS1/PS2.

 

[digitaldurandal]

When Windows 8 is released and the playstation 4 and Xbox 720.
End of 2012 I would guess.

I believe I read somewhere that they planned to extend the cycle for this generation of consoles because the sales figures are still so good. IIRC 2014 for Xbox next.

Edit: Wreckage beat me by a minute.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Man I feel so behind. I just got Windows 7 and only about 7 months ago did I seriously start using the PS3.

I hope a new system doesn't come out anytime soon.

I have not even started using Windows 7 yet. I am switching when I reformat for my 570s.

Some of the things I have heard about 8 make me hesitant to say I will be switching to that on time either. I managed to stay a windows generation behind since xp, and really it has never affected me negatively.

 

[tyl998]

I skipped the Vista generation entirely. But Windows 7 is good.

Why would you need to re-format for your new GPUs?

 

[BFG10K]

In my case, under default driver settings, the EVGA 470 runs 10*C lower at idle than it does on Anandtech's TestBench. That's a lot considering we are talking about idle difference...

That doesn't mean much by itself. What is your ambient room temperature? What is your load fan speed (rpm)?

I once saw some guy posting low load temps on his GTX480 and claiming heat wasn't an issue for the cards. Then when questioned, it turned out he was forcing a 75% fan speed (3300 rpm), enough to sound like a jet engine.

 

[BFG10K]

I believe ABT tests with the card were more of an anomaly, so you may be rather standing somewhat on the sidelines in your argument here.

There’s nothing anomalous about them. If other sites tested the same way, they would have found the same things.

The entire Fermi line is still very slow in many Unreal 2 based games like UT2004 and the first two Brothers in Arms games. OpenGL performance still sucks in some newer source ports, too.

 

[RussianSensation]

That doesn't mean much by itself. What is your ambient room temperature?

21*C

What is your idle fan speed (rpm)?

At idle, at 40% fan speed (what every reference design GTX470 comes stock with), my card runs at 36*C. I linked MSI Afterburner picture showing that above. Anandtech got 46*C, which makes their results way off implying either a poor card, or poor case ventilation.

What is your load fan speed (rpm)?

77*C @ 66% fan speed

vs. 92-93*C Anandtech got. Obviously either their card was early sample from NV or they used a far inferior case. The only way for them to get 92*C is if their card run at 54-55% fan speed or so in which case it would be one of the quietest videocards ever made. How can they get 92-93*C and extremely high fan speed at the same time? Makes no sense.

 

[SirPauly]

That's the thing with many acoustics and thermal testing -- how are things tested? Gamers' systems and cases may differ on how they're actually being tested. This is why I was shaking my head with testing only in open environments with no air flow. Some sites offered both, thankfully.

Views may vary but for me, more care may of been needed and did choose upon one of the exotic coolers for the GTX-470. Did pay more of a premium but did garner silent and cool gaming to the extreme side and quite frankly ridiculous how quiet and cool it is.

If sounds and thermals are paramount to some, simply investigate an AIB solution that caters to this instead of offering sweeping blanket views of the chip based on a default cooler. Thankfully, AIB's can offer differentiation, too.

 

[Rezist]

Nah you are doing fine. I read somewhere (can't remember exactly) that new consoles from both Sony and MS will be delayed so they can milk the current ones a bit longer. Besides Sony has a 10 year plan for the PS3 just like the PS1/PS2.

But they still will only run a console probably 7 years unless you consider the PS2's final days as still being supported.

There's no way MS can wait till DX12 for the next xbox Nintendo will want to launch a new HD wii when the original wii slows down in sales.

 

[Wreckage]

But they still will only run a console probably 7 years unless you consider the PS2's final days as still being supported.

They will continue to make games for the PS3 for 10 years. Even if a PS4 comes out.

There's no way MS can wait till DX12 for the next xbox Nintendo will want to launch a new HD wii when the original wii slows down in sales.

Nintendo seems to have found it's own market with the Wii, one I don't think Sony or MS were really competing in. They are trying to now with the Kinect/move, but I still think both are going to focus on a powerful console instead of a more "family" friendly one.

Although it may be possible to see some sort of DX 11.5 or some such thing on the next Xbox. Either way it will stay take awhile for developers to adopt it. Giving us current card owners a few years at least.

 

[formulav8]

21*C
At idle, at 40% fan speed (what every reference design GTX470 comes stock with), my card runs at 36*C. I linked MSI Afterburner picture showing that above. Anandtech got 46*C, which makes their results way off implying either a poor card, or poor case ventilation.

Anandtech and many review sites do not use closed casing for their reviews. They use a test bench. Which is nearly always open air.

 

[RussianSensation]

Anandtech and many review sites do not use closed casing for their reviews. They use a test bench. Which is nearly always open air.

But then how useful are their findings? I mean if you just looked at their review, you would think a GTX470 would run at 90*C+ at 80% fan speed or something. Most forum posters would take those results to be meaningful and represenative of real world setup. :hmm:

I have stated on many occassions that my stock GTX470 runs at 66% fan speed around 76-78*C which is neither hot nor overly loud, esp. compared to the 4890. Yet, even BFG's card would run at 90*C+. We either have to acknowledge significant differences in case airflow, or large differences among GPU samples themselves. For example, Benchmarkreviews tested an Asus GTX480 and got 55W lower load power consumption compared to Nvidia's GTX480 engineering sample.

 

[busydude]

I have stated on many occassions that my stock GTX470 runs at 66% fan speed around 76-78*C which is neither hot nor overly loud, esp. compared to the 4890. Yet, even BFG's card would run at 90*C+. We either have to acknowledge significant differences in case airflow, or large differences among GPU samples themselves. Benchmarkreviews tested an Asus GTX480 and got 55W lower load power consumption compared to Nvidia's GTX480 engineering sample.

Don't forget the ambient temps.

 

[RussianSensation]

Don't forget the ambient temps.

I want to see what impact the highflow bracket and changing the stock TIM will have on my 470. One of these days ... I am gonna get to that

 

[CitanUzuki]

My 470 actually runs hotter than my old 480!

Ambient 26~27C
Idle 50C
Load will hit 92~93(crysis)

Case cooling: 2 GT's 1850 intake, 140mm exhaust, 230mm blow-hole on top.

Its unfortunate really, got it for $185, and I think im going to be sending it back.

 

[RussianSensation]

Ambient 26~27C
Idle 50C
Load will hit 92~93(crysis)

Case cooling: 2 GT's 1850 intake, 140mm exhaust, 230mm blow-hole on top.

Its unfortunate really, got it for $185, and I think im going to be sending it back.

That sucks to hear. Even adjusting for 5-6*C difference in ambients, your card is still 8-9*C hotter than mine and idle and abou 10*C hotter at load. BTW, 26*C ambient? Do you live in a warm climate because that's way too hot for *normal* room temperature imo.

 

[CitanUzuki]

lol, Arizona. Its winter time man!

 

[Wreckage]

Ambient 26~27C

Where my computer sits it's about 18C right now.

 

[TheDrake]

Nah you are doing fine. I read somewhere (can't remember exactly) that new consoles from both Sony and MS will be delayed so they can milk the current ones a bit longer. Besides Sony has a 10 year plan for the PS3 just like the PS1/PS2.

They may have a 10 year plan but its been 6 years between each generation.

Playstation 1994
Playstation 2 2000
Playstation 3 2006

Judging by that the Playstation 4 or whatever they call it should be 2012.


I put the GELID ICY cooler on my 470 and it runs pretty darn quiet, still gets hot when I OC though which is a bit disappointing but I am glad that its quiet. Caps around 80C with 1.087V @ 775, wont go any higher than that without more voltage and MSI afterburner wont allow higher for some odd reason. Idles at 30C with or without an OC.

 

[BFG10K]

77*C @ 66% fan speed

Your picture shows you’re hitting 66%-68% fan speeds, which is about 2800 rpm. That’s about what mine was hitting under load, and it sounds like a hairdryer compared to a GTX285.

There’s really nothing special about either your card or your fan speeds.

 

[RussianSensation]

Your picture shows you’re hitting 66%-68% fan speeds, which is about 2800 rpm. That’s about what mine was hitting under load, and it sounds like a hairdryer compared to a GTX285.

You stated that someone else had achieved low temperatures on their GTX480 but had to use 75% fan speed, which you assumed my card was running at as well. After I had shown 77*C at only 66% fan speed, still determined to prove your point, you again stated it as a fact that 66-68% fan speeds sound like a "hairdryer."

EVGA GTX470 at 70% fan speed <----- Do you still stand by your opinion that 66-68% is a "hairdryer"? The only other explanation I have is that you live in a very quiet neighbourhood/house, while I live in a large city with a lot more noise (i.e., cars, subway system, buses). Perhaps this is why what sounds quiet to me is a hairdryer for you?

If I wanted even less noise, I can just lower the fan speed to 55% and get those 90*C AT had. At 55%, the card is barely audible to me. Like I said, you can't have it both ways - high fan speed + high gpu temps if you have good case airflow. Either your card is loading at 90*C but at a very low noise level, or it's running at 80% fan speed but at 70*C then.

You also cannot compare AMD vs. NV fan speeds. My Radeon 4890 sounded louder at 35% fan speed than my GTX470 does at 66% fan speed.

There&#8217;s really nothing special about either your card or your fan speeds.

So how can you explain AnandTech's card getting 92-93*C and high noise levels then?

 

[Wreckage]

Just an update: Metro2033 runs great @ 1080p 4xAA and PhysX enabled. WoW: Cataclysm does indeed see a boost from DX11 and I'm pissed I missed the sale yesterday on BF:BC2

Next up is to test the CUDA water effects in Just Cause 2 (oh and maybe the superman mod).