Why the GTX470 was right for me.

[happy medium]

Why do you mention the 5870? He never mentioned the 5870. He never mentioned the GTX 275 either. He is talking about the GTX 470, not about other cards. You present a red herring argument, again.

And where did you learn mathematics?

61.5 db (GTX 470) MINUS 59.3 db (HD5870) EQUALS 2.2 db, not a "single db".

To answer your question just read the chart. The 5870 and gtx275 are on there. Mabe you can answer my question?

I'll give you a hint, Keys touched on it, its called poor public perception.

 

[Wreckage]

With the fan at 50% I hear little or nothing and 52% at the worst at 81c (100% load). Of course the overclock is only 700 on the core but case air flow must really help. With a higher overclock and more voltage, I've set my fan profile to 'user defined' and hit around 60% and 82c at full load; then it starts to become audible.

I still can't see this being worse than a single slot 8800GT. The decibel rating may be less but the annoyance factor is far worse.

Yeah it's really not bad. Granted I have not overclocked it or messed with the fan settings any (yet). I understand why certain people are trying really hard to find a reason not to like it, but it's a really good card so far.

 

[digitaldurandal]

DO you also pray to ANAND?

Did you ever here anyone complain about gtx275 noise?
No me either.
Then why does that link you gave me say the gtx275 is just as loud as a gtx470?

Did you also notice that the 5870 is a single db lower? Did you ever here of anyone saying the 5870 is loud?

Just food for thought.

Here is your link back..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3836/msis-geforce-n470gtx-gtx-470-sli/6

I'm really unsure how my religion plays into anything
1) you cant count the 5870 59.3 db and MSI470GTX 65.2
2) your reposting of my link doesn't work.
3) it's okay to be wrong you don't have to engage in an attack just because your opinion of loud is different than anyone elses, perhaps your hearing is bad. I can hear the whining of my 5870 under load and its 3 feet away and under a desk. Something 6 db louder is going to be somewhat unpleasant on my ears.

Just food for thought.

 

[digitaldurandal]

To answer your question just read the chart. The 5870 and gtx275 are on there. Mabe you can answer my question?

I'll give you a hint, Keys touched on it, its called poor public perception.

Dear Happy Medium, to answer your question just read the chart. MSI N470GTX 65.2. Honestly I hope you feel a bit silly, maybe you are blind and deaf? You are attacking everyones ability to read the chart... yet you are incapable of it yourself.

 

[Gloomy]

I don't like how TS tries to sell graphics cards to us. It's like those infomercials on late-night TV where they have the extremely-average, borderline-good-looking people expound on their satisfaction with the product all the while trying really hard and failing to avoid looking like an actor.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

To answer your question just read the chart. The 5870 and gtx275 are on there.

The 5870 and 275 are irrelevant to the discussion.

Mabe you can answer my question?

Your question is not relevant to GTX 470 noise levels.

It's a bird, it's a plane, noo... it's a fish?

 

[Destiny]

I owned two GTX 470 the past two months and can agree with OP's experience....

I owned a PNY GTX 470 and when I was gaming it was not louder than my PC Case fans - and the card stayed pretty cool while under load... I then returned it 2 weeks later and bought an EVGA SC GTX 470 which I currently have in my rig = and the EVGA card is loud like a blow dryer when the fan try to keep the card under 70C when I game!

I love the GTX 470... but when I saw I can get a GTX 570 and still keep my current PSU and get GTX480 performance - I'm planning to sign up for the EVGA step up program

The GTX 470 is awesome at Video/Photo Editing/Capture.

 

[Stoneburner]

Keep in mind I thought the same thing but the 6870 is actually beating the 5870 when xf is compared. So if you are purchasing two don't bother with last gen.

I would purchase a 470 over a 6870 or 5870 if:
1) I did not plan to use surround gaming
2) I cared at all about physx
3) folding@home was something I was interested in

For me it's a question of price. IF the 470/6870/5870 is at the same price, i'd go with the 6870 because of its performance, efficiency, and xf scaling. Based on the black friday deals though, the 470 for 190 and the 5870 for 215 are about equivalent in terms of being hot deals. I think nvidia fans should hold off for the 560 though since the 5xx series cures Nvidia's heat/noise/power issues.

 

[Capt Caveman]

My GTX470 is quieter and runs cooler than my 8800GT, so that makes me happy.

 

[amenx]

I found the 470 to be loud only when I used 3rd party fan control (MSI Afterburner) and configuring fan speeds similar to previous cards I've owned (ie, gtx275). When the card is left on its default fan control, it is mostly quiet. Temps may rise slightly higher, but not worried about that.

Oh, and as the card was Nvidia, that was a major factor in buying it. Based on years of nearly faultless ownership of NV cards and with great driver support.

 

[tviceman]

To everyone arguing about the fan noise issue, Wreckage more than likely got a more recently manufactured gf100, and with the process improvements it's probably running much cooler (hence quieter) than the initial review batch of fermi's back in march/april.

Congrats on a great card and great deal Wreckage.

 

[BFG10K]

It also depends on what gtx470 you bought (cooling fan) and what its stock voltage is (heat = fan noise).

I undervolted my GTX470 to the point of instability, but it still didn’t come close to being as quiet as my GTX285.

The GTX470 is probably the second worst video card I’ve ever bought (the first being the 6800 Ultra). When a wide selection of games and settings are used, it’s not really any faster than the GTX285, but it’s far louder and hotter.

 

[BFG10K]

Why does the 570 do 60 FP16 textures per clock vs 28 on the 470? The other specs don't look very different

The GF104/GF110 filters FP16 textures at full speed compared to previous architectures which do it at half speed.

 

[SlowSpyder]

DO you also pray to ANAND?

Did you ever here anyone complain about gtx275 noise?
No me either.
Then why does that link you gave me say the gtx275 is just as loud as a gtx470?

Did you also notice that the 5870 is a single db lower? Did you ever here of anyone saying the 5870 is loud?

Just food for thought.

Here is your link back..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3836/msis-geforce-n470gtx-gtx-470-sli/6

No one complained about the GTX275 because we had the 4890 to compare it to. They were very close in performance. The GTX470 is louder than a 5870, a card the GTX470 is generally considered just a bit slower than. In fact, according to Anand the GTX470 is just .2 db behind a 5870 CF setup in noise at load. It's all realitive.

 

[Will Robinson]

I undervolted my GTX470 to the point of instability, but it still didn’t come close to being as quiet as my GTX285.

The GTX470 is probably the second worst video card I’ve ever bought (the first being the 6800 Ultra). When a wide selection of games and settings are used, it’s not really any faster than the GTX285, but it’s far louder and hotter.

LOL..ouch:biggrin:
Didn't Wreckage just triumphantly buy one like that?:whiste:

 

[amenx]

I undervolted my GTX470 to the point of instability, but it still didn’t come close to being as quiet as my GTX285.

The GTX470 is probably the second worst video card I’ve ever bought (the first being the 6800 Ultra). When a wide selection of games and settings are used, it’s not really any faster than the GTX285, but it’s far louder and hotter.

The GTX285 was last gens flagship and a really good card. The 470, the 2nd from top in the fermi range, was not meant to be leaps and bounds beyond it. That was the 480s job. Having said that, it still managed healthy performance gains vs the 285 in a variety of benches in many review sites incl Anandtech. I believe ABT tests with the card were more of an anomaly, so you may be rather standing somewhat on the sidelines in your argument here.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/166?vs=160

 

[Genx87]

Doesnt some of that performance difference or lack of difference have to do with the games as well? My understanding is the fill rate of the 285 is quite a bit higher than the 470 and 480. In older games this gives the 285 a nice advantage that translates into real world results.

 

[Wreckage]

My GTX470 is quieter and runs cooler than my 8800GT, so that makes me happy.

I owned two GTX 470 the past two months and can agree with OP's experience....

I owned a PNY GTX 470 and when I was gaming it was not louder than my PC Case fans - and the card stayed pretty cool while under load... I then returned it 2 weeks later and bought an EVGA SC GTX 470 which I currently have in my rig = and the EVGA card is loud like a blow dryer when the fan try to keep the card under 70C when I game!

I love the GTX 470... but when I saw I can get a GTX 570 and still keep my current PSU and get GTX480 performance - I'm planning to sign up for the EVGA step up program

The GTX 470 is awesome at Video/Photo Editing/Capture.

It's starting to sound (pun intended) like BFG got a bad card and should return it.

 

[Mistwalker]

It's starting to sound (pun intended) like BFG got a bad card and should return it.

BFG and every review site out there except Guru3D?

I personally think this reasoning sounds plausible:

To everyone arguing about the fan noise issue, Wreckage more than likely got a more recently manufactured gf100, and with the process improvements it's probably running much cooler (hence quieter) than the initial review batch of fermi's back in march/april.

 

[Wreckage]

To everyone arguing about the fan noise issue, Wreckage more than likely got a more recently manufactured gf100, and with the process improvements it's probably running much cooler (hence quieter) than the initial review batch of fermi's back in march/april.

Congrats on a great card and great deal Wreckage.

Thanks. This could be. I'm just posting my experience with my card. I'm not sure why people are trying to go out of their way to say I'm wrong. Some people just want to hate no matter what I guess.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Thanks. This could be. I'm just posting my experience with my card. I'm not sure why people are trying to go out of their way to say I'm wrong. Some people just want to hate no matter what I guess.

Lol. Hate what? A $200 videocard purchase. Sorry man but I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people here could afford a gtx 470.

 

[Xarick]

It seems to be a crap shoot, I read forum posts all the time where someone like wreckage says.. oh quiet card, and someone else will say.. this is the loudest thing I have ever heard. Appears to be luck of the draw.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Thanks. This could be. I'm just posting my experience with my card. I'm not sure why people are trying to go out of their way to say I'm wrong. Some people just want to hate no matter what I guess.

I think this assumption is part of the problem to be honest.

While there will always be trolls, I was not "hating" on you or your purchase and I don't think anyone else was either - except perhaps the guy with the fap comment. I think it is a great purchase at $190. Hell, I stated in the third post that I was very close to purchasing two of them at 215 each, if I would have noticed this deal in time I would definitely have pulled the trigger on two of them.

There is a possibility that your card runs quieter than basically every review out there, and a good explanation for this was put forth, but in general - the card is considered to be louder than most. Of course you can only speak from your experience with the card.

When people are posting counter experiences or multiple reviews showing the card is louder than most you went on the offensive and created a lot more tension in the thread between you and basically almost everyone else.

Not everyone has to agree with your assessment and its probably true that even if we heard your card and you were right about the sound level of your particular card - some people still would not change their mind. You know what they say about opinions.

 

[digitaldurandal]

It seems to be a crap shoot, I read forum posts all the time where someone like wreckage says.. oh quiet card, and someone else will say.. this is the loudest thing I have ever heard. Appears to be luck of the draw.

Bad QA or different batches.

I have heard from multiple sources (inc Anandtech) that the MSI version's fan is louder than the reference model. Generally I stay away from non reference fans - nVidia and AMD spend a lot of money on R&D and know what they are doing. Sometimes a company can improve on their model but it comes at heavy compromise.

Cool, Quiet, Cheap, Good Looking pick two.

 

[dust]

Wow 70+ posts for the sake of one guy getting a card. Wreckage must be more important for you guys than you want to believe.

On topic: the 470 suffers of some cons yes, but at 200$ and below I think many could put up with them, me included.

Congrats on your new card(it is new isn't it?) /thread