Why should we give NY 60Billion for Hurricane victims?

[Phokus]

Although some what debunked imo this is the perfect example of the story behind Davy Crocketts "Not yours to give" speech. Personally they should all kick rocks if they didn't have insurance (exactly like the fire fighters watching a home burn down). For every dollar the government gives that bill to help those victims only 0.05 cents of each dollar will likely end up with them.

Why should we give NY 60 billion? Because they pay more in federal taxes than they take in you fucking moron. The question is, why should keep giving disaster relief funds to red states when a) They're playing politics with PRODUCTIVE blue states who have natural disasters and b) red states take in more federal dollars than they pay out?

you bitch idiot

 

[michal1980]

Please tell me who is going to insure a couple billion dollars worth of century plus old subway?

if you don't ask, you already got your answer.

If no one will insure it, then you have to go to self insure, and be prepared to pay to replace something yourself.

but in the liberal mind, being responsible is a 4 letter word.

 

[lotus503]

if you don't ask, you already got your answer.

If no one will insure it, then you have to go to self insure, and be prepared to pay to replace something yourself.

but in the liberal mind, being responsible is a 4 letter word.

Why should you get to dictate where my tax dollars go? I want the relief package and I pay a ton in tax.

 

[ohnoes]

I'm pretty sure your mind is the consistency of pea soup.

 

[K1052]

if you don't ask, you already got your answer.

If no one will insure it, then you have to go to self insure, and be prepared to pay to replace something yourself.

but in the liberal mind, being responsible is a 4 letter word.

The MTA is self-insured. I actually mistyped, replacement cost for NYC subway would be in the couple hundred billion range. Add in MNRR and LIRR and you're easily talking half a trillion dollars. Insuring such enormous pieces of infrastructure is impossible, no country in the world does it. Governments pay to have them rebuilt if something catastrophic happens.

 

[michal1980]

Why should you get to dictate where my tax dollars go? I want the relief package and I pay a ton in tax.

by that same token, why should you dictate where my tax dollars go? why should my tax dollars go to repair some 1%er's house on the coast?

why should I pay extra to have water damage insurance for my house? fuck that shit, I should just drop my house insurance, and when something bad happens ask you for a handout.

BTW the senate bill has bills of dollars in pork. I geuss you don't mind government wasting your money.

 

[michal1980]

The MTA is self-insured. I actually mistyped, replacement cost for NYC subway would be in the couple hundred billion range. Add in MNRR and LIRR and you're easily talking half a trillion dollars. Insuring such enormous pieces of infrastructure is impossible, no country in the world does it. Governments pay to have them rebuilt if something catastrophic happens.

if NYC cannot afford its subway, then maybe they shouldn't have it. If they want the subway, then they should pay for it. The vast majority of the vaule of NYC's subway is for NYC residents, why should I in Wisconsin pay for the NYC'r to have a subway. We don't have the money here to expand/support our public transport system, why should I pay for someones 1200 miles away?

 

[lotus503]

The MTA is self-insured. I actually mistyped, replacement cost for NYC subway would be in the couple hundred billion range. Add in MNRR and LIRR and you're easily talking half a trillion dollars. Insuring such enormous pieces of infrastructure is impossible, no country in the world does it. Governments pay to have them rebuilt if something catastrophic happens.

But that's the real point, he doesn't want the government using his tax dollars to pay for it. His failure is understanding that he is the minority and there are those of us that also pay tax, a lot if it, that do want our tax dollars to pay for it.

It's not about personal responsibility with him, it's about skirting responsibility to fund the society in which he lives.

 

[michal1980]

But that's the real point, he doesn't want the government using his tax dollars to pay for it. His failure is understanding that he is the minority and there are those of us that also pay tax, a lot if it, that do want our tax dollars to pay for it.

It's not about personal responsibility with him, it's about skirting responsibility to fund the society in which he lives.

what is it with liberals that makes them so allergic to responsibility? Do you have any other answers besides 'someone else should pay'? Why are you always like pigs at the trough?

 

[deadken]

I'm stooping pretty low if I'm replying to a thread in P&N, but here it goes:

The short answer is that this storm was of an unprecedented nature. It was a 'super storm' / 'perfect storm'. Basically, the water rose to 10' above the high water line. People (like me) who have never been flooded got flooded. My house was built in 1966 or 1968 (I can't remember which) and it had never been flooded before. I've lived here 20 years and the worst I had seen was Irene which made it about halfway up my driveway. Sandy put 20" in my garage and about a foot in my house (slab, no cellar / basement / crawlspace). Now, let's not forget, I have flood insurance. I have a mortgage, so I am required to have it because of my geographical area. The things is, flood insurance doesn't cover content. If my house had burned down, everything in it would have been covered. But because it got flooded, only structure was covered. FWIW: flood insurance was around $1,200 a year 19 years ago when I refinanced my house. It's gone up since then.

Anyone care to look up how much money NY gives the federal government and how much it gets back? NY should get, because NY has given. Plain and simple.

Remember this: If the water came a bit over 8 feet above the high water mark, I wouldn't have been flooded.

 

[nextJin]

Why should we give NY 60 billion? Because they pay more in federal taxes than they take in you fucking moron. The question is, why should keep giving disaster relief funds to red states when a) They're playing politics with PRODUCTIVE blue states who have natural disasters and b) red states take in more federal dollars than they pay out?

you bitch idiot

Oh you mad lol

My point (and Davies) still stands, which was 1) The Story of Crockett and a Farmer 2) That the vast majority of the bill had absolutely nothing to do with the North East Recovery. The money that would have actually went to the recovery would have been pennies on the dollar, the Republicans (and god help me for saying this) did the right thing "this time".

I do not believe in government assistance for anything so you crying about red vs blue entitlements means very little.

 

[michal1980]

^ and in my homeowners policy I added a rider to cover 10k worth of equipment due to water damage. didn't cost much, would cover the contents of my basement. If there was danger of more damage, I'd increase my coverage. Heck, not only do I have that insurance, I also have an umbrella coverage to further limit my liabilities' due to other unforeseen events. 1 million dollars of coverage runs me ~100 dollars a year.

responsibility. comes with being an adult.

children are dependent, if you want to depend on government, dont expect much, and do expect to be treated like a child.

 

[nageov3t]

if NYC cannot afford its subway, then maybe they shouldn't have it. If they want the subway, then they should pay for it. The vast majority of the vaule of NYC's subway is for NYC residents, why should I in Wisconsin pay for the NYC'r to have a subway. We don't have the money here to expand/support our public transport system, why should I pay for someones 1200 miles away?

do you like the oil that gets refined in New Jersey? or anything that gets shipped in on the Atlantic Coast shipyards?

well, to get all that out to your flyover state, we need interstate trains and highways.

personally, I may resent the fact that my tax dollars are paying for your grandma's social security and your kid's public schooling, but that's the social compact we live in.

 

[deadken]

... why should I in Wisconsin pay for the NYC'r to have a subway. We don't have the money here to expand/support our public transport system, why should I pay for someones 1200 miles away?

NY, NJ, and Connecticut pay more in Federal taxes than we get back. If the NYC subway has been around for 100 years and had NEVER been flooded (due to a Hurricane) then it stands to reason that the Federal government should help out in paying to restore service (which is not the same thing as paying for the subway). It also stands to reason that they should help to prevent something like this from happening again.

 

[michal1980]

do you like the oil that gets refined in New Jersey? or anything that gets shipped in on the Atlantic Coast shipyards?

well, to get all that out to your flyover state, we need interstate trains and highways.

I believe a lot of the gas in my corner of the country comes from Canada. refined in the up/Minnesota.

intersate highways tend to be paid for with federal dollars, and my gas taxes. all for repairing those.

NYC's subway, and joe's beach shack has very little impact on the federal level, so it should be left as a local responsibility.

 

[lotus503]

what is it with liberals that makes them so allergic to responsibility? Do you have any other answers besides 'someone else should pay'? Why are you always like pigs at the trough?

I'm not saying someone else should pay, I am saying I want to pay.

As well as millions more tax payers I suspect. What you are saying is you don't want to pay.

Your failure is not comprehending the above along with acceptance you a minority in your selfish views.

I'm all for a system that allows each of us to direct our tax dollars to what we want to fund, until that happens you have to deal with what the majority of tax payers want.

I know it's a hard pill that your ideology is a minority opinion, it's how I felt funding two wars.

 

[michal1980]

NY, NJ, and Connecticut pay more in Federal taxes than we get back. If the NYC subway has been around for 100 years and had NEVER been flooded (due to a Hurricane) then it stands to reason that the Federal government should help out in paying to restore service (which is not the same thing as paying for the subway). It also stands to reason that they should help to prevent something like this from happening again.

if it hasn't happened in a 100 years why waste the money preventing it from happening?

if you build a wall 10 ft high, what happens when your water is 11 feet tall?... how do you get the water out then? darn, you fix not only failed to prevent the problem, it made it worse.

then again, maybe we should build a huge wall around nyc and then flood it.

 

[michal1980]

I'm not saying someone else should pay, I am saying I want to pay.

As well as millions more tax payers I suspect. What you are saying is you don't want to pay.

Your failure is not comprehending the above along with acceptance you a minority in your selfish views.

I'm all for a system that allows each of us to direct our tax dollars to what we want to fund, until that happens you have to deal with what the majority of tax payers want.

I know it's a hard pill that your ideology is a minority opinion, it's how I felt funding two wars.

so because one side spends money on crap you dont like, its ok for your side to spend money on shit the other side doesn't.


That's woman logic. 'Honey I saved $100 at the store today', 'Yes dear but how much did you spend',

fiscal responsibility means not spending money on either hole

 

[nageov3t]

then again, maybe we should build a huge wall around nyc and then flood it.

ugh... sorry I didn't recognize the obvious trolling, please disregard my earlier posts.

 

[Brainonska511]

^ and in my homeowners policy I added a rider to cover 10k worth of equipment due to water damage. didn't cost much, would cover the contents of my basement. If there was danger of more damage, I'd increase my coverage. Heck, not only do I have that insurance, I also have an umbrella coverage to further limit my liabilities' due to other unforeseen events. 1 million dollars of coverage runs me ~100 dollars a year.

responsibility. comes with being an adult.

children are dependent, if you want to depend on government, dont expect much, and do expect to be treated like a child.

 

[michal1980]

when you run out of actual arguments this is the crap your left with to respond. Thanks for trying. sorry you lost.

 

[deadken]

You serious? You really can't comprehend that after you fix it this time and increase the pumping ability, the odds are it won't happen again for a long time and when it does, it won't flood as bad.

Umm... I'm sorry, I forgot: There are more trolls in P&N by far then in For Sale / Trade.

 

[lotus503]

so because one side spends money on crap you dont like, its ok for your side to spend money on shit the other side doesn't.


That's woman logic. 'Honey I saved $100 at the store today', 'Yes dear but how much did you spend',

fiscal responsibility means not spending money on either hole

Easy tiger, you'll catch up to nehalem's misogyny train.

We all have to pay for shit we don't like. That's the point, your in the minority and get less say in what gets spent.

It's the way the system works, keep shaking your fist though it's good for laughs.

 

[exdeath]

Like he said. If you took risk of not carrying insurance then sorry about your luck. Tornado or hurricane. I have no problem giving out sandwiches and drinks but no I will not cut you a check because you bought a BMW and big screen TV with your home insurance money.

FTFY

 

[Tom]

big picture..

are you people out of your effing minds ?? NY/NJ is one of the most significant economies on the face of the Earth, maybe THE most significant.

There a reason millions of people live there.. they make it work.

There is no better investment for $60 billion or whatever it takes to get everything back to, or better than it was.

Jesus H Christ we live in an age of ignorance..