Why it's good to send US jobs to India

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Stunt

United States 5.50

Hang on a second. Are you certain that that number is a real, bona fide number that reflects reality or a massaged number intended to obfuscate the truth? What about the thousands (if not millions) of people who were too discouraged to continue looking for work or who retired early? What about the hordes of people who are severely underemployed?

When you consider those issues, the government's unemployment number is almost meaningless as a guage of the health of the employment market.

By the way, if you know of any employers seeking smart college-educated Americans with advanced degrees and/or professional degrees that provide evidence of critical reasoning skills and the ability to engage in independent thought (such as a science degree) for high-value-added jobs, please let me know. Surely you must know of several $50,000+/year positions that are going wanting for good candidates. If the economy is so good, then surely the employers would be happy to hire talented people and train them even if they don't have the exact desired undergraduate major. (All I know of are the weekly news reports about how another large corporation is having to lay off thousands of employees.)

I don't know of any $50k jobs for engineers. $50k is rather low. These kinds of jobs are not rare. Do you think that everyone that graduated with an engineering degree is unemployed right now? I just graduated with my MSEE and everyone I know from undergrad and most from grad school are employed as engineers.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Germany 10.60%
Czech Republic 10.60
Spain 10.40
France 10.10
Greece 10.00
European Union 9.50
Finland 8.90
Italy 8.60

Canada 7.00
United States 5.50[/quote]


I love when people post those stats. How many people are homeless in Europe? Hungry? How many countries in Europe have a New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis?

I was in Europe over the summer and have been their countless times and guess what? Nobody is hungry and nobody is homeless. Their "poor" live 10x better than our poor.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapperHold on a second. I would tend to agree with you that cheaper products--in terms of products requiring less labor-hours to produce--is good and would benefit everyone.

However, whether or not cheap products resulting from outsourcing (as opposed to a real bona fide productivity innovation) benefits Americans is a very different matter. I say that because while the costs on the front-end decrease, no one ever considers the costs on the back end. ...

This is a good point. People fail to realize that outsourcing is not giving us lower priced goods. If it were, then we would have negative inflation. By definition, lower prices == deflation. Can anyone name me a single year that we had deflation since the great depression? It's so sad to see that the populace is being fleeced. Deflationary benefits generated by the low cost of imported goods are completely wiped out by our central bank increasing the money supply in the nation. And who get's the newly minted money? I don't know about you but I've never received a check from the treasury or the fed.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapperHold on a second. I would tend to agree with you that cheaper products--in terms of products requiring less labor-hours to produce--is good and would benefit everyone.

However, whether or not cheap products resulting from outsourcing (as opposed to a real bona fide productivity innovation) benefits Americans is a very different matter. I say that because while the costs on the front-end decrease, no one ever considers the costs on the back end. ...

This is a good point. People fail to realize that outsourcing is not giving us lower priced goods. If it were, then we would have negative inflation. By definition, lower prices == deflation. Can anyone name me a single year that we had deflation since the great depression? It's so sad to see that the populace is being fleeced. Deflationary benefits generated by the low cost of imported goods are completely wiped out by our central bank increasing the money supply in the nation. And who get's the newly minted money? I don't know about you but I've never received a check from the treasury or the fed.

We don't get lower priced products, corporations gain higher and higher profits. If you think a company ships something to China and then lowers the price....buwhahahahah!

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer
We don't get lower priced products, corporations gain higher and higher profits. If you think a company ships something to China and then lowers the price....buwhahahahah!

Competition brings prices down. Consumer goods are extremely cheap in this country, and become cheaper every year.

 

[piasabird]

I can get a haircut for $12.00. . . Hmmm

I think there are some people in IT who are just overpaid. They truly beleive they are worth 60k-80k a year. Then I see companies that want to hire people for $20K and expect their employees to have a Bachelor's Degree. This just does not make sense.

What happens is that a company farms out work or an entire factory in a foreign country. In turn they make more money, but they fail to lower their prices. If they were making products for less and passing on the savings, then that might make sense. When a company like a bank does this it seems transparent because they dont make a product, but some Americans are being fired to hire other people. Your bank records are now located in India and who knows if the Bank has real control of your money or not?

Bank of America (BAC) is doing this. They are doing data entry in India. Just wait for your social security number to be stolen!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer
We don't get lower priced products, corporations gain higher and higher profits. If you think a company ships something to China and then lowers the price....buwhahahahah!

Competition brings prices down. Consumer goods are extremely cheap in this country, and become cheaper every year.

Are you suggesting deflation? Just exactly how much do you buy each year? Being 18 and probably just out on your own (if you are), how exactly are you watching prices going down? Good might be cheap (relative), but they aren't going down. Profits are, however, rising at a fast rate.

Outsourcing/offshoring is not competition. It's moving jobs from one area to another, not creating separate entities which compete.

 

[Stunt]

You all seem to think profits are wasted money...somehow higher efficiency and more investment in the economy and re-distrobution to citizens is a bad thing...

*sigh*

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Stunt
Germany 10.60%
Czech Republic 10.60
Spain 10.40
France 10.10
Greece 10.00
European Union 9.50
Finland 8.90
Italy 8.60

Canada 7.00
United States 5.50

I love when people post those stats. How many people are homeless in Europe? Hungry? How many countries in Europe have a New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis?

I was in Europe over the summer and have been their countless times and guess what? Nobody is hungry and nobody is homeless. Their "poor" live 10x better than our poor.[/quote]

Proof?

 

[piasabird]

This is just like when the soda guy says that because the price of Aluminum is going up so he rises the price on the soda from 55 to 65 cents. However, he never lowers the price when the price of Aluminum goes down. Basically it is just a big rip-off for the consumer. How did that show competition? Not all savings are passed on to the consumer. Some minor products you find at Wal-mart or the drugstore have been imported for years. Wal-mart did not invent it, but they have found that they can control so much of the market that they can force producers to lower the price. They are obviously using their power as a Monopoly-Like situation and abusing the free market. The department of Justice is nowhere to be found.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: raildogg
outsourcing :thumbsup:

If they can get it done for less, what is the problem.

Also, many patients are outsourcing themselves to India and other countries. When they can get treatment for $5,000 as opposed to $40,000 in America, why pay the extra? They would much rather travel there and get treated.

What do you do?

Will you be so open arms when they come to replace your job???

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
We will end up with an averaging out in the standard of living between America and the third world.

Except the rich of course as designed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: smack Down
The only place left for american jobs is goverment work which can't be out sourced. No one in india is going to get the contract to build our next weapons.

I wouldn't be so sure.

According to an article that I read, our nation no longer has the ability to produce naval ships on its own.

!=U.S.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Are you suggesting deflation? Just exactly how much do you buy each year? Being 18 and probably just out on your own (if you are), how exactly are you watching prices going down? Good might be cheap (relative), but they aren't going down. Profits are, however, rising at a fast rate.

Outsourcing/offshoring is not competition. It's moving jobs from one area to another, not creating separate entities which compete.

What goods aren't cheaper and better today than they were 10-20 years ago? 20 years ago my father paid $900 for a 27 inch color television.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Are you suggesting deflation? Just exactly how much do you buy each year? Being 18 and probably just out on your own (if you are), how exactly are you watching prices going down? Good might be cheap (relative), but they aren't going down. Profits are, however, rising at a fast rate.

Outsourcing/offshoring is not competition. It's moving jobs from one area to another, not creating separate entities which compete.

What goods aren't cheaper and better today than they were 10-20 years ago? 20 years ago my father paid $900 for a 27 inch color television.

Interesting. I see more of your problems with every post.

How can you look back 20 years when you aren't even 20 yrs old???

 

[nergee]

"What goods aren't cheaper and better today than they were 10-20 years ago? 20 years ago my father paid $900 for a 27 inch color television."

maybe cheaper but in most cases not better.......by better I mean useful life of the product.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Are you suggesting deflation? Just exactly how much do you buy each year? Being 18 and probably just out on your own (if you are), how exactly are you watching prices going down? Good might be cheap (relative), but they aren't going down. Profits are, however, rising at a fast rate.

Outsourcing/offshoring is not competition. It's moving jobs from one area to another, not creating separate entities which compete.

What goods aren't cheaper and better today than they were 10-20 years ago? 20 years ago my father paid $900 for a 27 inch color television.

Oh, I understand that some things are indeed cheaper. However, do you buy a 27" television each week as you do groceries? How about clothing? How about your automobile? How about furniture? How about building supplies?

You growing up in the electronics age has seen a huge technology shift that is greatly responsible for cheaper products. Cheap labor might effect some of the electronics pricing, but I would bet technology has as much or more to do with it than cheap labor.

If "everything" were cheaper, as you suggest, there would be a deflationary period. Something even mentioned in this thread as never happening in this country (I'm not 100% sure on that).

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You all seem to think profits are wasted money...somehow higher efficiency and more investment in the economy and re-distrobution to citizens is a bad thing...

*sigh*

Except that more and more profit is being invested into China/Mexico/etc. to gain even more profit. Stockholders may get some of it, but the rest of the US doesn't.

*sigh* right back at you. Until you've stood in my shoes watching jobs leave from right under your nose, you have no clue. I'll fight until I retire or am outsourced, and no amount of *sigh*'s from you will change that.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: nergee
"What goods aren't cheaper and better today than they were 10-20 years ago? 20 years ago my father paid $900 for a 27 inch color television."

maybe cheaper but in most cases not better.......by better I mean useful life of the product.

Usually cheaper to buy a new one than the complicated repair of the old one anyway. Of course, we could outsource the repairman to China and get cheap repairs! :roll:

 

[Stunt]

Cars, Clothing and Groceries are all cheaper than they were.

 

[Stunt]

Manufacturing jobs will shift overseas; but until you prove to me these people losing jobs are unemployed forever...you have no point to make Engineer.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Cars, Clothing and Groceries are all cheaper than they were.

You are adjusting for inflation. Profits are also up multiples of inflation. Companies are using cheap labor to drive up profits, not for lowering prices. I see it every single day. I hope it all crashes in on their heads very soon!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Stunt
Cars, Clothing and Groceries are all cheaper than they were.

You are adjusting for inflation. Profits are also up multiples of inflation. Companies are using cheap labor to drive up profits, not for lowering prices. I see it every single day. I hope it all crashes in on their heads very soon!

You ever wonder why Walmart sales are through the roof?
They offer prices never seen before.

Prices are passed onto the consumer...you cannot deny this fact.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Manufacturing jobs will shift overseas; but until you prove to me these people losing jobs are unemployed forever...you have no point to make Engineer.

And as we make less and less here and more capital goes offshore, at what point does service no longer keep up? If trillions leave the country more than enter, at what point does it go bankrupt? Printing money isn't the solution. Borrowing isn't the solution. Both spur super inflation, something that offshoring was supposed to circumvent, but hasn't done so well so far.

I have a very valid point. If you don't like it, too bad. :|

You can have your opinion. I don't like it and will keep mine!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Stunt
Cars, Clothing and Groceries are all cheaper than they were.

You are adjusting for inflation. Profits are also up multiples of inflation. Companies are using cheap labor to drive up profits, not for lowering prices. I see it every single day. I hope it all crashes in on their heads very soon!

You ever wonder why Walmart sales are through the roof?
They offer prices never seen before.

Prices are passed onto the consumer...you cannot deny this fact.

I agree that some prices do indeed go down. However, having lived long enough and watching my budget go up and up for groceries, gas (given), clothing, etc. from when I first went out on my own to now.....

Car prices are lower than years past? Maybe the last few years as automakers dump them, otherwise they are indeed much higher than in years past.

Look at the price of anything grocery wise...bread? milk? OJ? eggs? Food is not cheaper at all. Of course, most of it hasn't been outsourced yet. That day will come though.

Fvck service jobs. I hope all "ship the jobs offshore" idiots end up in one!

Maybe if you're fortunate, you'll spend 15 years in a company (growing each step of the way). "IF" you're that lucky, you'll see the day that your job is being shipped out or someone (co-worker) is being let go for cheap offshore labor. You'll understand then. Right now, you have no clue. I hope you're a strong person, because you'll really need to be!