Why is windows 8 still out there ?

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ControlD

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You could try this to get the ISO, now I have not tried it personally as luckly I was able to get my isos from Technet before they shut our the subscriptions

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media

Getting a 8.1 ISO doesn't help if you did the 8.0 -> 8.1 upgrade path. The product key is only good for Windows 8 so you can never get past the registration step. I even tried extracting my key from my Windows 8.1 install but it doesn't work for a fresh install of 8.1 without having first installed 8.0.
 

Mem

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Getting a 8.1 ISO doesn't help if you did the 8.0 -> 8.1 upgrade path. The product key is only good for Windows 8 so you can never get past the registration step. I even tried extracting my key from my Windows 8.1 install but it doesn't work for a fresh install of 8.1 without having first installed 8.0.

Actually it works,my HD died so had to do a fresh install of Win8,I downloaded Win 8.1 ISO used the starter key for Win8.1 which gets the OS installed,once done you use your legit Win8 key to activate Win8.1 then all done.

Do note there are different install keys for Win8.1(core,Pro etc) so use the correct one depending on what legit key you have,for example I had pro key so used 8.1 Pro install key then my Pro key for activation later.


  • Windows 8.1 – FJWTM-42NKR-9DPD2-8FR9Y-3GMCH
  • Windows 8.1 Professional – B478Q-FNMXX-FKYT6-D6FC8-HMGTD
  • Windows 8.1 N – HJ924-JPN9Y-3FC9H-GCYMG-C9WJY
  • Windows 8.1 Professional N – 2TXRD-CCNWC-CT2X8-KGDXP-PGXGF


Please note these keys will not activate they will just allow you to use Windows for 30 Days. Do not try to use these product keys for your normal Windows installation just buy a legitimate version of Windows if you want to use it.
 

Mem

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Thanks Mem!


If you get problems activating you might need to do this,


1. Run the registry editor (regedit)
2. Find the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\OOBE
3. Change the value for 'MediaBootInstall' from 1 to 0
4. Open an elevated command prompt (run as admin)
5. Run the following command: slmgr -rearm
6. Reboot


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-used-to/1726d238-98fb-4634-a468-04645a8ee097
 

Mem

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Sinner! Your telling someone to use CLI on Windows! You are going to Hell for sure now!


That link is posted on Microsoft.com website community, and I did say use your Win8 legit key for activation ;) so nope,just being helpful.

Besides this is a more helpful post then Win8 moaning posts by some members ,cough,cough ;) .

:)
 
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NickelPlate

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Actually it works,my HD died so had to do a fresh install of Win8,I downloaded Win 8.1 ISO used the starter key for Win8.1 which gets the OS installed,once done you use your legit Win8 key to activate Win8.1 then all done.

Do note there are different install keys for Win8.1(core,Pro etc) so use the correct one depending on what legit key you have,for example I had pro key so used 8.1 Pro install key then my Pro key for activation later.

Where did you download the 8.1 iso? And did you use the starter keys you mentioned in your thread? I just tried them all at the install windows website using their little setup program but all the keys get rejected. I just want an 8.1 pro iso.

Thanks
 

RampantAndroid

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Where did you download the 8.1 iso? And did you use the starter keys you mentioned in your thread? I just tried them all at the install windows website using their little setup program but all the keys get rejected. I just want an 8.1 pro iso.

Thanks

There should be the default install keys out there; If you want pro, you need a Win8 pro key to begin with - I don't think you can go from non-pro 8 to 8.1 pro.

http://www.howtogeek.com/187525/how-to-perform-a-clean-install-of-windows-8.1-with-a-windows-8-key/
 

Mem

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Where did you download the 8.1 iso? And did you use the starter keys you mentioned in your thread? I just tried them all at the install windows website using their little setup program but all the keys get rejected. I just want an 8.1 pro iso.

Thanks


I actually downloaded Win8.1 with upgrade 1 already installed ISO,yes I did use a starter key then my legit upgrade Win8 Pro key for activation after install,typing this post on same PC.

There was a link in OCuK Windows software forums to Win8.1 ISOs but there was a few sites posting links but plenty on google,you can checkMD5 hash to confirm it etc..

I see if I can find links for you.

Update:links in first post here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18575732&highlight=Win8.1+iso&page=9

Do note Win8.1 Update 1 has both pro and non pro cores,so depends what legit key you have.
 
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Skaendo

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That link is posted on Microsoft.com website community, and I did say use your Win8 legit key for activation so nope,just being helpful.

Besides this is a more helpful post then Win8 moaning posts by some members ,cough,cough.

Technically, it has nothing to do with the OP question of 'Why is Windows 8 still out there?' Not started by me, so technically a new thread should have been started because your being helpful has nothing to do with the OP.

But I don't really care, IMO Windows 8 is the biggest pile that MS has crapped out. I was a huge fan of Windows, but now because of 8/8.1 I hardly ever use it. And I'm going to go out on a limb here when I say that I think that most of the world agrees with me due to the amount of people that use it.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...11&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=165&qpnp=24&qptimeframe=M
 

NickelPlate

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There should be the default install keys out there; If you want pro, you need a Win8 pro key to begin with - I don't think you can go from non-pro 8 to 8.1 pro.

http://www.howtogeek.com/187525/how-to-perform-a-clean-install-of-windows-8.1-with-a-windows-8-key/

Well thanks but that's a widely published "trick" that doesn't work anymore. I've tried it many times. So far I haven't found a default, OEM or starter key that allows downloading 8.1 pro. I have a Win8 pro legit key which of course doesn't work either.
 

ControlD

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Well thanks but that's a widely published "trick" that doesn't work anymore. I've tried it many times. So far I haven't found a default, OEM or starter key that allows downloading 8.1 pro. I have a Win8 pro legit key which of course doesn't work either.

Yeah, I think that has been my experience as well. I was trying to make a 8.1 ISO a couple of weeks ago and I never found a key that worked either.

I was hoping the ones Mem posted were real working keys, but I bet MS has closed that loophole.
 

NickelPlate

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Yeah, I think that has been my experience as well. I was trying to make a 8.1 ISO a couple of weeks ago and I never found a key that worked either.

I was hoping the ones Mem posted were real working keys, but I bet MS has closed that loophole.

I did download an 8.1 iso from some system builder website but it didn't work either. About halfway through the install I just got media error.
 

Mem

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Yeah, I think that has been my experience as well. I was trying to make a 8.1 ISO a couple of weeks ago and I never found a key that worked either.

I was hoping the ones Mem posted were real working keys, but I bet MS has closed that loophole.


I can't confirm if they have locked those keys or not,I can say I did a clean install of Win8.1 with Update 1 ISO around five or six months ago with the 8.1 Pro starter key in that link(was only for a minute or so because I use my legit Win8 pro key for full activation right after installation).

I'll say why would they lock those keys?..ie those keys don't activate Win8.1 only allow you to install it but not activate,if they have locked it then Microsoft are being a bit mean IMHO.

I do agree Microsoft should of made it a lot easier for legit Win8 users like us.


More ISO links here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26101585&postcount=128
 
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NickelPlate

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I can't confirm if they have locked those keys or not,I can say I did a clean install of Win8.1 with Update 1 ISO around five or six months ago with the 8.1 Pro starter key in that link(was only for a minute or so because I use my legit Win8 pro key for full activation right after installation).

I'll say why would they lock those keys?..ie those keys don't activate Win8.1 only allow you to install it but not activate,if they have locked it then Microsoft are being a bit mean IMHO.

I do agree Microsoft should of made it a lot easier for legit Win8 users like us.


More ISO links here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26101585&postcount=128

I think they're just trying to force people to go through their Windows store metro thing quite honestly but they fail to realize they're just making it harder and more aggravating for people to install and use their product. I'll try downloading the .iso from the link you provided and report back.
 

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I think they're just trying to force people to go through their Windows store metro thing quite honestly but they fail to realize they're just making it harder and more aggravating for people to install and use their product. I'll try downloading the .iso from the link you provided and report back.


Btw I've used this 8.1 pro starter key for installation only XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB .











 

NickelPlate

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Btw I've used this 8.1 pro starter key for installation only XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB .

Well shut my mouth and call me corn pone, it worked. That .iso you linked appears legit. It installed no issues and I ran full bit defender scan and found nothing. Activated with my Windows 8 pro key. Much faster and cleaner! Thank you sir you're a scholar and gentleman.
 

Mem

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Well shut my mouth and call me corn pone, it worked. That .iso you linked appears legit. It installed no issues and I ran full bit defender scan and found nothing. Activated with my Windows 8 pro key. Much faster and cleaner! Thank you sir you're a scholar and gentleman.


YW,that's the way I did when my HD failed,I did not have much choice lol :) .

You better make a note of the key ;)
 

Aikouka

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I've always been very mixed on Windows 8. Is it the worst? No. Did Microsoft make some really dumb decisions? You bet.

I first tried Windows 8 back when I first built my Haswell machine. I liked some things, but I also had issues. Here's my post from back then:

I went with Windows 8 for my new PC build, and it's not too bad. I knew what I would like about it, and I was pretty spot on. Frankly, the best parts to me are the improved task manager and file copy dialog. It sounds kind of mundane and silly, but I really like all the information on them. Although, I probably would've rather paid $10 to upgrade Windows 7 to those newer variants.

What don't I like about it?


  • Lack of a Start Menu Option - Well, this is pretty obvious as most people that have gripes about Windows 8 complain about this. Honestly, since I can pay $3 and fix it, I'm not really that worried about it. I can still access the Metro Start UI by hitting CTRL+WIN, so that's fine.
  • UAC Always On - This is my biggest problem with Windows 8. I've been using computers for a long time, and I don't think I need any hand-holding when it comes to operating one. Because of that, I really dislike UAC. In fact, turning it off is one of the first things that I do with Windows 7 installations. When I moved the slider down in Windows 8, I was surprised at the lack of a restart prompt, but I didn't think much of it... until I got an administrator rights required prompt! Now, to be fair, it is possible to disable UAC through the registry; however, based on what I've read on the Internet about this process, if you disable it, you cannot use the Microsoft Store built into Windows 8.
  • No Non-Metro Default Apps - Honestly, for a lot of actions in Windows 7, I just used default apps. For example, when I wanted to look at a photo, I just opened it in Photo Viewer. The problem now is that Photo Viewer is a Metro app, which means you're stuck in an annoying full-screen view. Although, apparently, it's not hard to fix given Photo Viewer still exists in Windows 8.
  • New Theme Settings Aren't Intelligent - I sort of struggled to think of a short title for this one, so let me explain. I tend to use very dark desktops. In Windows 7, I used Aero, and I would set the the Window Color to Gray with a low intensity. So, I pretty much had a black window. In Windows 8, the minimize and maximize buttons are built into the window frame, and they are black by default. If you make your window frame black, the buttons are not visible. You'd think they would ensure the buttons are visible based on the color used, and if not, they adjust it to a more visible color (i.e. white). This doesn't end up being a huge deal as I just use a darker gray now.

Honestly, out of all of these, #2 is the only one with the potential to be a true deal breaker for me. I've already set UAC to auto-accept all elevation requests, and that seems to abate the annoyance for now. I'm tempted to just turn it off since I doubt the

I ended up getting rid of Windows 8, because there just wasn't a benefit to it compared to Windows 7. I think the biggest issue is that most people don't like change, but they're usually willing to adapt to it... if it has a benefit. The new Start menu has some benefits, but in most cases, I didn't really find it all that helpful for normal desktop use. I use two monitors, and I usually put the maximized stuff on my second monitor (e.g. web browsers, etc.). That leaves my icon-laden desktop fairly accessible, which ends up performing the same functionality as the start menu without completely obfuscating everything else.

So, at this point, I have two Windows 8.1 machines: a HTPC and a laptop. I specifically designed the HTPC around Windows 8.1, and honestly, it works really well. Unlike the HTPCs that are attached to a TV, this one is attached to a 23" touchscreen monitor (literally as it's a NUC mounted to the back), and it resides in my kitchen. Essentially, I use it as a giant tablet that gives me easy access to recipes while cooking/baking while allowing me to watch videos through PLEX, YouTube or Twitch. I use Windows 8's snap feature for that, which once you find the gesture (it's surprisingly hard to find good tutorials for these... or my search strings were just bad), is really easy to do.

My new laptop is also running Windows 8.1, and honestly... I seriously debated just buying an OEM copy of Windows 7 Home Premium to install on it. I don't mind Windows 8.1 on the laptop too much, but my problem is that I'm usually saddled with the vanilla version. That's a problem for me, because I use an Ethernet-based tuner at home, which means I can watch TV on any PC on my network. Well, to watch any protected streams, you must have Windows Media Center, which is only available (for $15) on Windows 8 Pro. I believe the upgrade to Pro from vanilla is $100. Another negative aspect is that I can't even watch TV that was recorded on another PC without having Windows Media Center installed as I lack the codecs. So, I'd have to reencode everything first.
 

RampantAndroid

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Disabling UAC is one of the most ill thought out decisions you can make; the same goes for using a root account in Linux or beginning a OSX terminal session with "sudo".

UAC/not running everything at system level permissions is not about what YOU do, it's about stopping the smaller stuff that you aren't doing. A trick I used to do to people was to set their debug regkeys on them (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\currentversion\image file execution options) - I'd set that to make something like firefox/chrome always open internet explorer, or Outlook always launching the calculator. I'd sneak it on to their computer by asking them to look at my code (we passed code around in changelists that are in .cmd files, so sneaking in a registy key wasn't too hard when run at admin level.)

Once UAC reared it's head, my little gag became virtually impossible to do, unless someone left their PC unlocked. Similarly, someone with malicious intent will find it MUCH harder to do random things to a PC. I don't really care how much you control what the machine does; unless you keep it off of the network, turning UAC off is a terrible idea.

Once Win7 hit, UAC become far less obtrusive, and the extra couple seconds it took to hit "allow" when installing programs was worth it, for the extra security gained...