For $450? Hell yes I can, and the PC will be able to do more than the Xbox
1700 $51
256DDR $46
a7N 266 $67 (sound, nic onboard)
Radeon 8500LE $60
Case 350watt psu $32
Pioneer 16xDVD Rom $50
Maxotor Diamond MAX 40GB $80
Gamepad $20
Windblows 98se $80
For $450? Hell yes I can, and the PC will be able to do more than the Xbox
1700 $51
256DDR $46
a7N 266 $67 (sound, nic onboard)
Radeon 8500LE $60
Case 350watt psu $32
Pioneer 16xDVD Rom $50
Maxotor Diamond MAX 40GB $80
Gamepad $20
Windblows 98se $80
Originally posted by: chizow
True, except for CS, most popular online game, and you won't have to upgrade every year to play it. And Consoles don't have short life cycles?
CS was fun...2 years ago, but you can only kick so much azz before you find it to be unfulfilling. Widespread use of hacks was a turn-off as well. Plus the game looks dated now. I found SoF2 to be a nice replacement for CS.
Yes Game manufacturers need to support there games better, I despise having to get a 3rd party download to update EA games......that's a whole new rant thread....
It goes beyond that. If people don't buy a game, a company ceases to support it. That means no updates, expansion packs, patches, online support etc. Getting a company to back a game online is hard enough as it is (the reason Gamespy exists in the first place).
Rumble effects? LOL who cares... Fast start up? Get a decent PC buddy. Yes it would be nice to use a mic to talk in BF, or MOHAA, that would bring a whole new deminsion to the game.
You obviously haven't played MechAssault. The rumble effects are a large part of the gaming experience, but I guess you wouldn't know *cough*troll*cough*. Get a decent PC? Look at my rig specs "buddy", my second is faster than your first......such comments coming from someone who says a GF4 MX runs todays games "fine"...thats funny.
If it can't be played with a keyboard and mouse, then I don't think I wanna play it. FPS especially. I think you need to get the rumble pack out of your pants, and back in your hands...???
Hmm that's a special comment, I'll have to admit I was pretty close-minded as a teenager. The phallic comments though, to quote Stanta, "That's gay talk right there, H-O, M-O; You sure you aren't writing this letter from San Fran-cis-co?!?!" Hehe Karl Malone made a funny....good oneI'm sure you're eagerly anticipating Splinter Cell for the PC. It should look nice on your GF4 MX at 800x600 in 16-bit low texture with no lighting. Then you can bunny hop around CS-style and 0wnz0r all the bad guys...L337 pWn4ge!!!!!!
I've never paid over $140 for a video card, and don't plan on it. I could still play all the games that I play today with my GF2mx400. I do spend on hardware, but how much you paying for the game/live/controllers/subsctiption? Hell for the cost of an XBox I could build a decent PC that would play pretty much whatever I wanted to.
There's no way you could build a PC that would perform as well as an XBox for the same cost. Even if you could part out similar components, you won't have the OS, hardware, and driver optimizations that make the XBox a superior gaming machine to a comparably spec'd PC. Good Luck trying though.
Also I'm interested in who makes the Hardrives for the Xbox?
WD and Seagate, not that it makes any difference in performance.
Chiz
Get a woman, and you won't need that rumble pad. I don't use a gf4mx, it's an 8500btw. I'm just saying that the GF2 still played todays games acceptably, not GREAT.
Most people don't have HD tv's either. I know the resoloution on most tv's isn't great. I could play NFS @ 800x600 with TV out. I just prefer the PC, I've had consoles, played the Xbox, gamecube, but I guess I'm just too stuck on PC's for now.
Attempts at personal insults from someone who can't make the distinction between his p3nis and a rumble pad and a console (XBox) and a woman (SeXBox??
) mean very little to me. We're talking consoles here, be a good little lad and start a YAGT thread or something.
Chiz
kami
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
- 17,627
- 5
- 81
PC demo is out.
The PS2 version will be watered down, it will never look the same as Xbox. If it does (it won't) then they are programming GODS. At least it'll make this guy shut up:
Spoken like a true zealot
Most of the arguements in this thread are pointless. Let's face the facts...more people are buying Xbox. They are flying off the shelves....everywhere I go I see people picking them up, I see stores having promotions. Regardless of whatever games are good for YOU, it won't be the same opinion for the thousands of people buying Xboxes every day. They're buying them for a reason.
Oh and see where Xbox's game library is in a year or so when it's had enough time like the PS2 (remember the PS2's sh*t library at first??)...also remember this isn't Xbox 2...it's the first console from them. They didn't have the advantage of getting a bunch of fanboys from their first console. My point is that they are doing DAMN good for their first console, especially since they are besting Nintendo in both software and hardware sales, a long time contender in the console market.
Xbox2 vs. PS3 will be neck and neck I think. This is a good thing...competition! Hopefully by then I can afford to own TWO consoles....cause if I had the extra money now I would definitely own a PS2 for some of its games. GC is a non-factor for me. Doesn't interest me at all anymore. I chose xbox for various reasons and am happy with that decision...
LOL. Nice one!
I'm still addicted to MotoGP. Laugh if you will (and I know it's a pc game) but it's hella fun. Also NFL2k3 and Ghost Recon. If RagingBitch helps me out, Splinter Cell will start being fun again. And after seeing all the TallGeese posts about MechAssault, I'm jumping on that bandwagon as well.
I'm sure all the consoles have their strong points. All I know is I've been a console gamer for 15+ years. I'm talking Atari 2600 and before (anyone remember VECTREX?-so I'm dating myself now) and I've never played anything as addicting as these Xbox games. And to be able to listen to Ludacris or SOAD or some good trance while playing MotoGP, man, to me that's sweet.
Yep... VERY well said.
You guys who won't even give the Xbox a second glance are really missing out on some extremely fun games, though.
Agreed, The majority of knocks on xbox come from those who have never played it or are Microsoft haters.
Which is completely unlike the majority of knocks for PS2 and Gamecube.
Personally, I buy systems for the games. I have a PS2, and got a Gamecube for Christmas. IMHO, both of these have far better games than the XBox.
The only games I considered buying an XBox for were Dead or Alive 3 or DOA Beach Volleyball. Yeah, I'm a big fan of the DOA fighting system...
I agree. I don't think these ppl realize that they're deadbeating a topic that's been fought over a million times in a million different way. Yet nearly all of those arguements have no real impact on everyone that read and posted. It's the same "Oh XBox is a PC, boohoo." and "No XBox is NOT a PC your moron...blah blah." I thought people on ATOT are smart enough to avoid pointless topics like this that seem to spring out every week with the very same purpose: stating opinions that try to prove someone right or wrong. If I want to read console vs PC or console vs console, I get more quality posts on IGN. When I'm here in ATOT, I expect intelligent threads, not this.
I thought the exact same way as you did when my friend spent $500 on XBOX's launch date for the console, extra controller, and games. I was all about PS2 just because of the Street Fighter series and the different people in the tuner world who had them in their cars. Now that I bought my XBOX this past October, I can say it was well worth it. I don't have to worry about down time with my computer anymore due to buggy drivers, software updates, etc. I like the idea of putting a XBOX game in without having to worry if I meet the hardware requirements.
Nevermind, apparently your ntelligence and reading skills lack. I said for $199 = the cost of the XBOX. NOT $450.
It's pointless to try and prove a point to you, it's way over your head.
<<Hell for the cost of an XBox I could build a decent PC that would play pretty much whatever I wanted to.>>
THATS WHAT YOU SAID. For $199 BUILD A PC that can keep up with the XBox. NOT $450. Nowhere in my post did i state $450.
Let the rabbits wear glasses.
Man, Microsoft really screwed me and a lot of other people a lot. Many of us that have bought a XBOX either had to go back to exchange it for another one, so send it to Microsoft with $100 to fix the lens so you are able to play the newer games.
My XBOX was manufactured on November 11, 2002 and it still has problems playing games such as NFL Fever 2003 and Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon. As I play Fever 2003, many time would the game freeze then continue about 10-20 seconds later, and it would keep doing that until I turn off the game. It was quite annoying and I know it is not the Disc because it's a brand new game.
Also, as I play Ghost Recon, 5 minutes into the game, it would just totally freeze and stop, and again I would have to turn off the game. I read many complains about this, and it would of made my life a lot easier if this didn't happen.
I know this didn't affect everybody, but why would Microsoft make a console knowing that the newer games they make won't work as well. Games like Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, Sega GT 2002, Splinter Cell all works fine on my XBOX, but I don't know why those other two games don't.
My XBOX was manufactured on November 11, 2002 and it still has problems playing games such as NFL Fever 2003 and Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon. As I play Fever 2003, many time would the game freeze then continue about 10-20 seconds later, and it would keep doing that until I turn off the game. It was quite annoying and I know it is not the Disc because it's a brand new game.
Also, as I play Ghost Recon, 5 minutes into the game, it would just totally freeze and stop, and again I would have to turn off the game. I read many complains about this, and it would of made my life a lot easier if this didn't happen.
I know this didn't affect everybody, but why would Microsoft make a console knowing that the newer games they make won't work as well. Games like Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, Sega GT 2002, Splinter Cell all works fine on my XBOX, but I don't know why those other two games don't.
I never heard of this... Happen to have a link to more info?
But what makes you think that MS knew about this issue from the outset?
I've never heard of such a thing either? Kinda odd since you say "a lot of other people, a lot". If it was "a lot" I'm sure we've all heard about it by now, also considering so many people on AT own them.
I've never had any problems playing any games.
I've never had any problems playing any games.
XBOX
Tony Hawk 4
Halo
Halo 2
Metal Gear Solid X
The Two Towers
DOA 3
Shenmue 2
James Bond 007: NightFire
Splinter Cell
Soul Caliber 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splinter Cell
Tony Hawk 4
Halo
Halo 2
Metal Gear Solid X
The Two Towers
DOA 3
Shenmue 2
James Bond 007: NightFire
Splinter Cell
Soul Caliber 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splinter Cell
spaceman
Lifer
- Dec 4, 2000
- 17,616
- 183
- 106
XBOX
Tony Hawk 4: out on every other system
Halo: coming to pc
Halo 2:in the future.
Metal Gear Solid X:rehash of a year old game
The Two Towers:every other system
DOA 3retty,shallow
Shenmue 2: played this over a year ago on the dc.
James Bond 007: NightFire:every other system including pc
Splinter Cell: demo out on pc
Soul Caliber 2:every other system
Panzer Dragoon Orta: !one exclusive!
Tony Hawk 4: out on every other system
Halo: coming to pc
Halo 2:in the future.
Metal Gear Solid X:rehash of a year old game
The Two Towers:every other system
DOA 3
retty,shallowShenmue 2: played this over a year ago on the dc.
James Bond 007: NightFire:every other system including pc
Splinter Cell: demo out on pc
Soul Caliber 2:every other system
Panzer Dragoon Orta: !one exclusive!
Neither have I, and I work full time at a game store. I know people who had defective XBoxs from the onset, but none at the moment.
Actually I have heard several reports of defective DVD drives in Xbox's, but the problem seems to have gone away recently.
The new Xboxes use DVD drives which play all types of DVD/CD media. The problem with the other Xbox drives is that they tried to block out CD-Rs and that is where a lot of the problems came from. I have had my Xbox since Dec of last year and it works just fine. Once a month or so I might see a dirty disk error but I just have to reset it and the problem is fixed. It happens when I turn it on and not in the middle of a game so there is nothing to complain about here.
My comments:
XBOX Defects:
There are certainly defective XBOXes out there (how could there not be) and the DVD drive is indeed a problem. Last I heard, MS is fixing most of them for free--I plan on buying the warranty for my xbox. Also, if you turn this into an XBOX vs PS2 argument, you should do some research into PS2's downright notorious lens failure rates...that's one of the reasons I bought an XBOX (and I seriously considered a PS2 at the time).
XBOX vs PC:
I own both--I have a high end gaming PC and bought an XBOX a few months ago--Reasons why I think it is good to have both:
1) Some games are better experiences on a TV set (sports games, for example--ever try huddling around your monitor with three or four friends to play Madden?)
2) Consoles offer experiences that are just different than what you get on the PC. Go play Jet Set Radio Future and tell me what the PC offers that is similar.
The games for both, they are probably better on the PC, and I'm not going to stop using my PC because I bought an XBOX...but I've gotten more enjoyment than I ever expected out of my XBOX--and I was once on the other side saying that anything that wasn't a PC sucked.
XBOX Live:
I have also played mutliplayer PC games for a long time--I attend lan parties once every six weeks, so I have some crediblity on the topic. XBOX live provides some of the best gaming experiences over my cable modem I've had. I don't know about you, but there was a time when I'd pay $50 a year to play just Q3A and Rocket Arena without 56K laggers--considering you get a quality demo in MotoGP (which, via a trip to blockbuster, you can turn into a full game) and the nifty headset (beats the hell outta Roger Wilco)--I'm very satisfied with what my fifty is getting me.
XBOX Exclusives:
Why is it that the same people that say "which console you own is all about which games it has" are the first people to start talking about exclusives...folks, a majority of the games on the market these days are not exclusives. I have a library of XBOX games that feature the type of gameplay I want (featuring only a single game I payed full price for, and one full priced gift)--I don't need anything else:
1) Racing -- PGR, Sega GT 2002, Rally Sport, Moto GP Online
2) Fighting -- WWF Raw
3) Online Shooter -- Mech Assault
4) Platformer -- JSRF (awesome, just awesome)
5) Sports -- NFL 2K3 (need NHL2k3 too)
6) Tactical -- Splinter Cell (MGS2 in the mail)
Really--is that not enough for most people? I have enough games on my XBOX to keep me busy for six months, and I don't even have the system's flag ship title! And don't tell me about GTA3--please--I played (and bought) the first one one the PC, and felt the game didn't come close to living up to the hype--Mixing carmageddon and a third person shooter is *not* revolutionary.
XBOX Hardware:
After gaming on the PC for a long time, I know one rule: Hardware is everything. All three consoles are mature platforms right now...in two years, we will be looking at a new set of consoles--thus, longeivity of the hardware is a huge issue a the moment. MS has done everything right as far as hardware goes. I was told, when I was asking around on forums for peoples opinions on the consoles because I had been out of the market for so long, that a major drawback of XBOX was having to pay for the DVD functionality. I have a DVD player, so I don't want to use my XBOX for that, but it struck me as interesting that the same people complaining about the DVD were not likewise complaining about the fact that you HAVE to buy a memory card for your PS2--Sure, I eventually bought a card for my XBOX, but I only payed $6 for it.
XBOX Footprint:
For the folks that complain about the size of the XBOX--why? Really, I'm looking right now at my xbox in my TV stand, and it is only very slightly bigger than my VCR--my digital cable box is longer, though thinner, and my DVD player is skinner but the same height. That's splitting hairs, man--My only complaint would be its weight--however, in my case, the weight is a good thing, as it stabilizes the shelf (an old keyboard tray resting on two 2x4s)--We have a PS2 at the office--the footprint doesn't look that different to me, and the xbox certainly isn't as ugly as the PS2--
XBOX Defects:
There are certainly defective XBOXes out there (how could there not be) and the DVD drive is indeed a problem. Last I heard, MS is fixing most of them for free--I plan on buying the warranty for my xbox. Also, if you turn this into an XBOX vs PS2 argument, you should do some research into PS2's downright notorious lens failure rates...that's one of the reasons I bought an XBOX (and I seriously considered a PS2 at the time).
XBOX vs PC:
I own both--I have a high end gaming PC and bought an XBOX a few months ago--Reasons why I think it is good to have both:
1) Some games are better experiences on a TV set (sports games, for example--ever try huddling around your monitor with three or four friends to play Madden?)
2) Consoles offer experiences that are just different than what you get on the PC. Go play Jet Set Radio Future and tell me what the PC offers that is similar.
The games for both, they are probably better on the PC, and I'm not going to stop using my PC because I bought an XBOX...but I've gotten more enjoyment than I ever expected out of my XBOX--and I was once on the other side saying that anything that wasn't a PC sucked.
XBOX Live:
I have also played mutliplayer PC games for a long time--I attend lan parties once every six weeks, so I have some crediblity on the topic. XBOX live provides some of the best gaming experiences over my cable modem I've had. I don't know about you, but there was a time when I'd pay $50 a year to play just Q3A and Rocket Arena without 56K laggers--considering you get a quality demo in MotoGP (which, via a trip to blockbuster, you can turn into a full game) and the nifty headset (beats the hell outta Roger Wilco)--I'm very satisfied with what my fifty is getting me.
XBOX Exclusives:
Why is it that the same people that say "which console you own is all about which games it has" are the first people to start talking about exclusives...folks, a majority of the games on the market these days are not exclusives. I have a library of XBOX games that feature the type of gameplay I want (featuring only a single game I payed full price for, and one full priced gift)--I don't need anything else:
1) Racing -- PGR, Sega GT 2002, Rally Sport, Moto GP Online
2) Fighting -- WWF Raw
3) Online Shooter -- Mech Assault
4) Platformer -- JSRF (awesome, just awesome)
5) Sports -- NFL 2K3 (need NHL2k3 too)
6) Tactical -- Splinter Cell (MGS2 in the mail)
Really--is that not enough for most people? I have enough games on my XBOX to keep me busy for six months, and I don't even have the system's flag ship title! And don't tell me about GTA3--please--I played (and bought) the first one one the PC, and felt the game didn't come close to living up to the hype--Mixing carmageddon and a third person shooter is *not* revolutionary.
XBOX Hardware:
After gaming on the PC for a long time, I know one rule: Hardware is everything. All three consoles are mature platforms right now...in two years, we will be looking at a new set of consoles--thus, longeivity of the hardware is a huge issue a the moment. MS has done everything right as far as hardware goes. I was told, when I was asking around on forums for peoples opinions on the consoles because I had been out of the market for so long, that a major drawback of XBOX was having to pay for the DVD functionality. I have a DVD player, so I don't want to use my XBOX for that, but it struck me as interesting that the same people complaining about the DVD were not likewise complaining about the fact that you HAVE to buy a memory card for your PS2--Sure, I eventually bought a card for my XBOX, but I only payed $6 for it.
XBOX Footprint:
For the folks that complain about the size of the XBOX--why? Really, I'm looking right now at my xbox in my TV stand, and it is only very slightly bigger than my VCR--my digital cable box is longer, though thinner, and my DVD player is skinner but the same height. That's splitting hairs, man--My only complaint would be its weight--however, in my case, the weight is a good thing, as it stabilizes the shelf (an old keyboard tray resting on two 2x4s)--We have a PS2 at the office--the footprint doesn't look that different to me, and the xbox certainly isn't as ugly as the PS2--
Xbox sucks. The only people that say the Xbox is cool are people that haven't given other systems a chance.
I mean, sure Halo is fun, but the controllers horrible. I hated the Dreamcast of the controller. Impossible to play like you want to.
I mean, sure Halo is fun, but the controllers horrible. I hated the Dreamcast of the controller. Impossible to play like you want to.
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