Why is the FDA using swat teams on raw milk?

[DominionSeraph]

wow, pony boy sounds just like the FDA argument in the court case posted earlier

"Historical precedence shows that no person has any fundamental right to consume whatever food they wish."

what the holy fuck.

It was a pretty basic argument. It used modes of thought that your typical redneck would find unfamiliar, but if you are familiar with them the reasoning is easy as hell to work out.

 

[linuxboy]

It was a pretty basic argument.

It is not an argument. Arguments have support, citations, references, a well-formed causality of statements and inference based on reality. The statement that a mythical historical precedent exists, and that this precedent somehow denies us of liberty, well, that's just some sort of opinionated statement.

Why are you so hostile?

 

[AreaCode707]

It was a pretty basic argument. It used modes of thought that your typical redneck would find unfamiliar, but if you are familiar with them the reasoning is easy as hell to work out.

Oh, I said we have a farm so now we're typical rednecks.

I'll be sure to burn my college degree and resign from my corporate job later today.

You also just refused to answer the question and started another tangent. If you seriously want to participate in this debate, answer a question directly.

So why do you support the FDA recalling a cheese that, by definition, could not have been contaminated?

 

[zinfamous]

It is not an argument. Arguments have support, citations, references, a well-formed causality of statements and inference based on reality. The statement that a mythical historical precedent exists, and that this precedent somehow denies us of liberty, well, that's just some sort of opinionated statement.

Why are you so hostile?

go through his posting history, particularly P&N.

extensive history of uninformed, anti-debate, attack posts.

dude is a troll. a product of multi-disciplinary education, methinks. knows a smattering of details about a handful of subjects, and therefore doesn't really know much about anything.

...and spends his time worshiping pony cartoons.

 

[BoberFett]

you are a troll of epic proportions.

I have no idea why you are allowed to continue posting when you do nothing but insult and ignore every god damn question by spouting nonsense in retort.

We know that you have no clue what you are talking about. It's hilarious.
You're no biologist. you're no scientist, for sure.

You're a half-educated twit with a thesaurus, stroking his/her stuffed ponies in his/her mother's basement.
Go back to your ponies.

You must have missed some his past gems, where he used to claim that he was one of the smartest people in the world and how the military uses him as some kind of super training dummy because he has the incredible ability to force his body not to react.

This guy is a real piece of work. A troll extraordinaire.

 

[MotF Bane]

TrollSeraph owns himself/herself/itself again. :awe:

 

[zinfamous]

You must have missed some his past gems, where he used to claim that he was one of the smartest people in the world and how the military uses him as some kind of super training dummy because he has the incredible ability to force his body not to react.

This guy is a real piece of work. A troll extraordinaire.

I know of the recent thread where he claimed to be the smartest person anywhere...but used as training in the military? missed that one

lol.

I guess it's all just an act. No one is this pathetic; even on the internet.

sad, this was such an informative, useful thread, then epic douchenozzle has to show up and derail it.

He's just playing the act, I guess. when you notice that he says "no fundamental right to consume [x food]" he's just repeating the FDA verbatim. that tells me these aren't his arguments. He's just grabbing bits that he knows will annoy people. Funny thing, he never even tries to back up any of his claims.

ever

 

[zinfamous]

It was a pretty basic argument. It used modes of thought that your typical redneck would find unfamiliar, but if you are familiar with them the reasoning is easy as hell to work out.

then explain them to a typical redneck. try to be useful for once in yoru life.

this redneck is curious about "modes of argument."

lol. shit out of your ass, again...

 

[linuxboy]

Sir, I bow to your high levels of smartness, and surrender into the depths of my self-hate.

Cheers !

 

[highland145]

You must have missed some his past gems, where he used to claim that he was one of the smartest people in the world and how the military uses him as some kind of super training dummy because he has the incredible ability to force his body not to react.

This guy is a real piece of work. A troll extraordinaire.

Cleaning coffee off my monitor. Thanks.

 

[ElFenix]

Sir, I bow to your high levels of smartness, and surrender into the depths of my self-hate.

Cheers !

i think you confused this guy with moonbeam.

 

[AreaCode707]

i think you confused this guy with moonbeam.

This is linuxboy. He frequently confuses HIMSELF with Moonbeam.

 

[busydude]

You must have missed some his past gems, where he used to claim that he was one of the smartest people in the world and how the military uses him as some kind of super training dummy because he has the incredible ability to force his body not to react.

Lol.. would like to read that post/thread.

 

[BoberFett]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=31779862#post31779862

 

[AreaCode707]

All this and he still won't take a stab at actually answering a question.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Hey, go easy. In prancer boy's world, anime is the essence of what humans should strive for.

 

[BoberFett]

All this and he still won't take a stab at actually answering a question.

He must be in training dummy mode.

 

[ShawnD1]

Hey, go easy. In prancer boy's world, anime is the essence of what humans should strive for.

Probably because it is? Anime characters are always
-slim
-nice tits
-nice ass
-able to fly

 

[lord_emperor]

In Canada people sidestep this by buying shares in the farm, then they're drinking their own milk.

 

[DrPizza]

Maybe this analogy will help pony-boy:

The seizure of the hard cheeses would be like a discovery that children were getting tangled and suffocating from cassette tapes, so the government stormed Best Buy (SWAT teams & weapons drawn) and seized all the cassette tapes, CDs, and DVDs.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Maybe this analogy will help pony-boy:

The seizure of the hard cheeses would be like a discovery that children were getting tangled and suffocating from cassette tapes, so the government stormed Best Buy (SWAT teams & weapons drawn) and seized all the cassette tapes, CDs, and DVDs.

No love for vinyl?

 

[DominionSeraph]

The thing is, what you just said there... this level of control is a very modern invention of the courts.

No, it is the idea that a person is entitled to everything that is new. The restrictions on access were invented by the universe, and the courts are merely recognizing that to dismiss the stupid argument that a person is positively entitled to his most transitory desire.

Government has been saying "no" to people since it was invented. This ain't a new thing.

Also, aren't you contradicting yourself? First you say we have no inherent right, and then you say if you want to have the right, then buy a farm?

You're really not very smart, are you.
Having no positive right to access does not mean that you do not have liberty.

I am free to go to Mars to access things Martian. I do not have the resources to do so. This lack does not define the universe as being in a state where it is violating my rights, for I have no positive right to have access to anything Martian.
If I was on Mars, I would have access to things Martian. Now my liberty is actually usable for something in that regards.

So if you want access, buy a farm. You cannot buy things from a farm that the government has deemed illegal to sell -- the government has put those things beyond your reach by that method. But that does not impact your liberty. If you buy a farm you are at liberty to eat the products you produce. You just aren't necessarily at liberty to sell them.

 

[ElFenix]

No, it is the idea that a person is entitled to everything that is new. The restrictions on access were invented by the universe, and the courts are merely recognizing that to dismiss the stupid argument that a person is positively entitled to his most transitory desire.

Government has been saying "no" to people since it was invented. This ain't a new thing.


You're really not very smart, are you.
Having no positive right to access does not mean that you do not have liberty.

I am free to go to Mars to access things Martian. I do not have the resources to do so. This lack does not define the universe as being in a state where it is violating my rights, for I have no positive right to have access to anything Martian.
If I was on Mars, I would have access to things Martian. Now my liberty is actually usable for something in that regards.

So if you want access, buy a farm. You cannot buy things from a farm that the government has deemed illegal to sell -- the government has put those things beyond your reach by that method. But that does not impact your liberty. If you buy a farm you are at liberty to eat the products you produce. You just aren't necessarily at liberty to sell them.

so you're saying that because the laws of reality make it impossible to do something that the government can forbid you to do anything it feels like?

that's the worst argument i've ever heard.

 

[DrPizza]

No love for vinyl?

It's Pony Boy. I was even trying to think of a different analogy, since he probably doesn't know what a cassette tape is. Note the complete absence until this moment of any mention of 8-tracks.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Actually, a priori, because of how bacteria interact with cheese, and because of how cheese rinds develop,

And just how is that a priori? Did we define cheese and bacteria into existence?

It's scientifically impossible.

*sigh*
Really??

Meaning just as I said, you don't even need a test. The only way it can be contaminated is somehow through handling or packaging.

Contamination was found in their retail store. That is outside the cheese's internal aging process.