Why is showing your ID to vote such an issue?

[AznAnarchy99]

I really hate how every state/every county runs their own methods of voting. Its crazy. It should all be federalized into one system.

Also how does Florida fuck up every election?

 

[sdifox]

I really hate how every state/every county runs their own methods of voting. Its crazy. It should all be federalized into one system.

Also how does Florida fuck up every election?

Yeah, I don't understand how Federal Election falls under State Control.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Since voter fraud is a felony, they'd go to jail for admitting it, so you won't see any such links. However, there are documented examples of people asking for someone else's ballot, and the willingness of poll workers to hand it right over.
Here's one for you.

And when Eric Holder went to vote, it would have been caught. Please document a case where voter impersonation occurred.

Don't you think there's a bigger issue with mail in voting? Again, do you support the TSA?

 

[sixone]

The reason you won't find many links is it that it almost never happens.

Like, half of one instance per state, per election.

And it's probably addle-brained geezers, rather than malicious vote-frauders.

Apparently not.

 

[Drako]

How many of those were voter impersonation and how many of those would have been prevented with a voter id?

All of them

 

[shortylickens]

Yeah, I don't understand how Federal Election falls under State Control.

Each state has the right to vote how they like. Some states even split their electoral votes.

But yeah, we seem to have WAY too many fucking issues each election. Florida is especially bad, they always find some way to screw it up.

 

[Capt Caveman]

All of them

And you would be incorrect. Please try again.

Here's some help - http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...d-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

 

[sixone]

Yeah, I don't understand how Federal Election falls under State Control.

Each state has control of how its electoral college votes are distributed, and also who is eligible to vote, subject to the 14th and 15th Amendments.

 

[Drako]

And you would be incorrect. Please try again.

Here's some help - http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...d-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

Here's some help for you.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/good-question-is-minnesota-1-for-voter-fraud/

 

[sixone]

And when Eric Holder went to vote, it would have been caught. Please document a case where voter impersonation occurred.

Don't you think there's a bigger issue with mail in voting? Again, do you support the TSA?

But the person who did vote would NOT have been caught.

You want to claim that without documented cases, it's not happening. Like you, I want to see proof before I change my mind. So share some documented proof that every voter is who they claim to be, please.

If you need to change the subject to mail ballots and the TSA, you must not feel that your argument is very sound. I agree.

 

[sdifox]

Each state has control of how its electoral college votes are distributed, and also who is eligible to vote, subject to the 14th and 15th Amendments.

You mean the electoral college votes are distributed and not first past post? I am under the impression most states use first past post and not proportional.

I don't understand how a state can dictate who can vote in a federal election. Doesn't make sense to me.

To me, it's Federal Election, the Feds make all the rules for that. Including voter eligibility and method. I can understand State setting electoral college vote distribution, sort of.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

They are usually illegals or poor people who can't afford a driver's license.

ID doesn't mean Driver's License. Any state issued ID is sufficient AFAIK.

 

[jagec]

You want to claim that without documented cases, it's not happening. Like you, I want to see proof before I change my mind. So share some documented proof that every voter is who they claim to be, please.

Don't turn this into another stupid religion thread, please. It's impossible to prove a negative.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

But the person who did vote would NOT have been caught.

You want to claim that without documented cases, it's not happening. Like you, I want to see proof before I change my mind. So share some documented proof that every voter is who they claim to be, please.

If you need to change the subject to mail ballots and the TSA, you must not feel that your argument is very sound. I agree.

Why no rage against absentee voter fraud? It's much easier to do with much less risk involved. Much like fraud at the polls, there's also no proof it's not happening. Why has all attempts been made to stop it at the polls and not where it's more likely to occur? Also, the burden of proof is on the one making claims that felonies are taking place in massive numbers without anyone knowing about it.

 

[Paratus]

And yet the same guy suggests DNA chips. Do you really think those are less expensive than a photo ID card?

What's even less expensive is allowing the current voter registration process to work without adding a bunch of taxpayer funded IDs.

The republican lawayers association went looking for in person voter fraud and found like 300 cases over 10 years and 300 million votes. It's a nonissue if you are concerned with in person voter fraud.


Here's an example of the process catching in person voter fraud:

http://m.lvsun.com/news/2012/nov/02/southern-nevada-woman-arrested-suspicion-trying-vo/

 

[jagec]

Why no rage against absentee voter fraud? It's much easier to do with much less risk involved. Much like fraud at the polls, there's also no proof it's not happening. Why has all attempts been made to stop it at the polls and not where it's more likely to occur?

The GOP would flips its shit if that happened, since tons of military members vote absentee.

 

[AstroManLuca]

What if your ID was destroyed by Sandy?

There are a lot of reasons I am opposed to a voter ID law. One, it will suppress more votes than it protects (there are very, very few cases of in-person voter fraud). Two, it costs money to implement, money that would be better spent going after a real problem instead of an imagined one. Three, there are some people who for various reasons find it difficult to get an ID. Maybe they're disabled, they don't drive, they lost theirs in a natural disaster, they haven't yet gotten one with their current address (this affects a lot of college students who move very frequently).

You still have to show your ID to register to vote or to vote absentee. This is saying that not only do you have to show your ID to register but you have to show it again every single time you come back, which is IMO very similar to those annoying websites that won't save your password and make you retype it every time.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Here's some help for you.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/good-question-is-minnesota-1-for-voter-fraud/

Can you quote from your link where any of the voter fraud mentioned was by voter impersonation and how a voter Id would have stopped it?

 

[Drako]

Can you quote from your link where any of the voter fraud mentioned was by voter impersonation and how a voter Id would have stopped it?

So I think I understand you now - voter IDs will increase voter fraud.

 

[zinfamous]

Silly to complain about it, you should have some form of ID regardless. You can get state issued Identification Cards for like $25.

still constitutes a poll tax; which is, well, super uncool.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Probably because all voter ID laws introduced to date have been transparent attempts to reduce the turnout of legitimate liberal voters. Much like restrictions on early voting.

That said, this voter would be OK with voter ID requirements IF (A)They were enacted and publicized well before the actual election year, (B)IDs were supplied free of charge, and (C)The documentation requirements weren't so onerous that legitimate voters would be excluded from getting an ID.

At that point it would just be a total waste of money to solve a problem that doesn't exist, instead of a total waste of money AND an attempt to skew election results.

A thousand times this. Requiring any form of ID that someone had to pay to acquire is unConstitutional thanks to the 24th Amendment restricting poll taxes. So the state would be required to provide IDs free of charge to everyone in the state (or at least anyone otherwise eligible to vote). That's not cheap; if you're thinking a few bucks for each ID multiplied by several million people, states could be looking at $10+ million easily just to implement this. And given that voter fraud that would be prevented by photo ID makes up an absolutely miniscule amount of voter fraud cases, it's throwing money after a problem which, for all intents and purposes, does not exist. But that's a state's rights issue, and if people would rather their state spent money on this then on, say, education, that's their (unbelievably stupid) prerogative.

If people are so gung-ho about this, I'm fine with it. But trying to shoehorn legislation in a few weeks before an election comes across as a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters. You can plan better than that; enact legislation that takes effect 18 months from now so people have plenty of time to acquire their state-mandated IDs. Trying to change the process immediately before an election reeks of vote manipulation and should not be encouraged.

 

[Quakester]

It's really simple. No ID=no vote.

Not anyone else's problem. If it's not important enough of an issue to have an ID, I personally don't want your sorry ass voting anyway because you're a retard and what you have to say is unimportant. Go live in a country where you don't get to vote because you don't appreciate the freedoms here.

Oh...you had 4 years to figure this out. If that's not enough time then tough shit.

 

[marvdmartian]

I'm complaining. No ones business who I am voting for.

And what does that have to do with having to have a photo ID, in order to vote? Seriously, I wonder sometimes how your brain processes thoughts in such an illogical manner, and yet, you survive!

Easy solution to this whole problem is to offer free state photo ID's to anyone who falls under a certain income level. Seriously, even at $10, they're making money on these things, so it's not as though they cost much to produce. I'd gladly see my tax dollars go toward ensuring that the possibility of voter fraud is lowered, substantially! :thumbsup:

 

[Humpy]

This has always seemed like a ridiculous discussion to me.

There is no need for ID's or voter registration or anything else really.

It is pretty much a fact that a list of living US citizens over the age of 18, along with a facsimile of a current signature and photo, could be provided by the NSA in about 15 minutes. Fuck, Google could probably do it in 10.

Sign in from wherever you are and vote.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

And what does that have to do with having to have a photo ID, in order to vote? Seriously, I wonder sometimes how your brain processes thoughts in such an illogical manner, and yet, you survive!

Easy solution to this whole problem is to offer free state photo ID's to anyone who falls under a certain income level. Seriously, even at $10, they're making money on these things, so it's not as though they cost much to produce. I'd gladly see my tax dollars go toward ensuring that the possibility of voter fraud is lowered, substantially! :thumbsup:

If it becomes required for voting, it's illegal for the states to charge ANYONE for it. They can have a separate ID that's just for voter registration (and not a driver's license, which could still carry a fee), but it would be illegal to charge based on income for something that was required for voting.