Why is Paul Ryan praised as some kind of fiscal budget expert?

[Jhhnn]

"CBO has not reviewed legislative language for your proposal, so this analysis does not
represent a cost estimate for legislation that might implement the proposal"

Sigh.....

In other words, what Ryan sent them was so vague that it defied detailed analysis. They gave it their best shot, anyway.

As Molly Ivins once offered- "All hat, no cattle."

 

[cKGunslinger]

Flooring it is not the answer either. We could apply some brake. No?

We probably should. And who is proposing that option?







*crickets*

 

[UberNeuman]

It wasn't "our guy" who put the deficits in place. It was Bush. Every time Obama tried to ratchet back Bush's fuckups the Reps threw a huge fit (tax cuts, wars...etc). In fact, Obama has had some of the smallest budget increases of any president in modern history.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

Then Ryan's budget doesn't do fuck-all to fix it. In fact, he MAKES IT WORSE. You can see that the single biggest part of the deficit was the Bush tax cuts, yet, somehow, cutting taxes will magically result in huge tax gains (when they didn't under Bush) and massive economic recovery (when they didn't under Bush or Reagan). Face it, Ryan is a fucking joke and the only reason why you guys are defending him is because you're either mathematically challenged or fucking deranged.

I think it's about saving face at this point. The idea of trickle down has been around so long that some take it as religion and refuse to accept that it doesn't work...

GHWB had the common sense to call it what it was 'Voodoo Economics'....

\let go of the dogma, gop.....

 

[HomerJS]

I thought voting for TARP was an automatic disqualification as a fiscal conservative??

 

[OrByte]

I thought voting for TARP was an automatic disqualification as a fiscal conservative??

the GOP was for TARP before they were against it

🙂

edit on topic:

The only thing Paul Ryan really is is telegenic. His fiscal expertise is just more trickle-down bullcrap.

 

[cybrsage]

I would rather have someone attempt trickle down prosperity than trickle up poverty.

 

[OrByte]

I would rather have someone attempt trickle down prosperity than trickle up poverty.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

 

[blankslate]

Why is Paul Ryan praised as some kind of fiscal budget expert?




Because in today's conservative's mind anyone who sucks Ayn Rand's dick must just be the most wisest economist evah!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

"CBO has not reviewed legislative language for your proposal, so this analysis does not
represent a cost estimate for legislation that might implement the proposal"

Sigh.....

And thats a problem why?

Its still a broad analysis of his proposals.

Is there some secret sauce in the details of his proposal that would make the CBO estimate wildly incorrect?

 

[cybrsage]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

I suspected someone would be unable to think it the entire way through. The success of trickle down wealth is great, but failing to achieve the desired results from trickle down wealth is still far better than the success of trickle up poverty.

 

[OrByte]

I suspected someone would be unable to think it the entire way through. The success of trickle down wealth is great, but failing to achieve the desired results from trickle down wealth is still far better than the success of trickle up poverty.

hehe

I think we are still basking in the SUCCESS of trickle down wealth

har har!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Did they rewrite history and suddenly trickle down works?

SWEET!

 

[sportage]

I dont know who is "praising" Ryan, other than the press.
And the press is only involved because (yawnnnnn) the press is bored out of their minds.
If Mitt (or factually speaking I should say) if Sheldon Adelson had wanted Pee Wee Herman to be the VP selection, the press would be praising Pee Wee Herman as a real "game changer".
A real bold choice.
A breath of fresh air.
A proven attention getter.
The only logical choice.
Pure Romney genius.
A come back kid in his own right.
Need I say more???
Ok... how bout, A man that overcame defeat.
A man that knows how to play a crowd.
A man with vision.
A man people can never forget.
A true success story.
A self made man.
A visionary.
A true plus for the Romney ticket.
Pee Wee Herman.... Pure genius of a choice. Who could have ever imagined?
WOW. Just F-ing WOW.
Wow wee wow wow, wow.
(Signed, Gretchen Carlson)
Ps... OMG WOW !!!!!

 

[pcgeek11]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

So why would anyone vote for Obama? He has failed entirely.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I'm curious as to who in their right mind ever expected Obama to fix the economy in 4 years with a Congress that refuses to do anything. Furthermore, there is a limit to what a President can actually do to impact the economy...much of what we are seeing now was set in motion long before BO took office.

 

[blankslate]

in their right mind

This is key.

In the minds of right wingers that part about the Congress doesn't matter.

They'll take great pains to try to avoid anything or anyone who brings it up because it doesn't fit the narrative they've made up for themselves.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'm curious as to who in their right mind ever expected Obama to fix the economy in 4 years with a Congress that refuses to do anything. Furthermore, there is a limit to what a President can actually do to impact the economy...much of what we are seeing now was set in motion long before BO took office.

Obama did. He promised that he would or he would be a one term prez... Both houses and the president were dems for a couple of years anyway.

 

[Demo24]

Was Obama's budget revenue neutral? Your guy runs trillion dollar deficits each year, and suddenly we are complaining that Ryan's budget isn't sufficiently revenue-neutral?

The difference is that Ryan's budget is suppose to be neutral from the get go.

The reality is you can't just do that right now, it would be a good way to cause recession 2.0.

Although under a recession is the best time to borrow and invest in the future due to very low interest rates, of course you can't do that forever.


The irony I find with all this liberal/conservative budget talk is that what seems to be over looked was the last time we had a positive revenue year and a real plan to pay off the debt was under Clinton.

 

[Atreus21]

It wasn't "our guy" who put the deficits in place. It was Bush. Every time Obama tried to ratchet back Bush's fuckups the Reps threw a huge fit (tax cuts, wars...etc). In fact, Obama has had some of the smallest budget increases of any president in modern history.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

Then Ryan's budget doesn't do fuck-all to fix it. In fact, he MAKES IT WORSE. You can see that the single biggest part of the deficit was the Bush tax cuts, yet, somehow, cutting taxes will magically result in huge tax gains (when they didn't under Bush) and massive economic recovery (when they didn't under Bush or Reagan). Face it, Ryan is a fucking joke and the only reason why you guys are defending him is because you're either mathematically challenged or fucking deranged.

First, I don't think it's asking much of any adult to adjust spending to conform to revenue. If I got fired from my job and kept my existing spending levels and thus wracked up enormous debt, I don't think people would sympathize with me very much when I blamed all the debt on my ex-employer. Yes, my employer made it difficult, but I was irresponsible in not adjusting to that situation.

Secondly, you guys have switched the goalposts. Whereas before it was about Ryan wanting to throw granny off a cliff, now it's about not being revenue neutral. With regard to Medicare, Ryan's plan is sensible. If it's not revenue neutral, that's bad. But what else is new? Ryan's theme is that Medicare, at least, must be reformed lest it balloon even more out of control.

 

[cybrsage]

Obama did. He promised that he would or he would be a one term prez... Both houses and the president were dems for a couple of years anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

 

[feralkid]

In answer to your topic question:

Because he's the chair of the House Budget Committee. Ya know. Might have something to do with it.

Right....
Kind of like Michelle Bachmann being on the House Intelligence Committee.

😱

 

[feralkid]

Why is Paul Ryan praised as some kind of fiscal budget expert?




Because in today's conservative's mind anyone who sucks Ayn Rand's dick must just be the most wisest economist evah!

Chix with dix?

😕

 

[cybrsage]

I dont know who is "praising" Ryan, other than the press.
And the press is only involved because (yawnnnnn) the press is bored out of their minds.
If Mitt (or factually speaking I should say) if Sheldon Adelson had wanted Pee Wee Herman to be the VP selection, the press would be praising Pee Wee Herman as a real "game changer".

He WOULD be a game changer. Seriuosly, the game would radically change if Pee Wee Herman was the VP nomination for either party.

 

[thraashman]

Obama did. He promised that he would or he would be a one term prez... Both houses and the president were dems for a couple of years anyway.

But he didn't promise he'd be a one term President. He indicated that if things couldn't turn around he'd likely not be able to get re-elected. Then people with short memories of the GOP fucking things up for some dumbass reason voted back in the people who caused the problem in the first place, and those people came in and claimed out loud in front of cameras their intent to grind the government to a halt to prevent Obama's re-election. Why in the hell would anybody vote for those who told us to our face that they don't care how badly they fuck over the American people so long as Obama doesn't get re-elected? And the funny thing is that the things that got done during the brief Senate super-majority are what's been credited with stopping the bleeding and turning around the economy from recession to slow growth.

 

[PJABBER]

I dont know who is "praising" Ryan, other than the press.

VIDEO: Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious"

Erskine Bowles, Clinton's former Chief of Staff and co-chair of Obama's budget-deficit commission (the recommendations of which Obama completely ignored) had some interesting things to say about Paul Ryan -

“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan?” Bowles asked. “We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing.

“I always thought that I was okay with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me.

“And he is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion…

“The President came out with his own plan and the President as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing.

“He, therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework and, in that new budget framework, he cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion over 12 years. And, to be candid, this $4 trillion cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, if you looked at it on a 10 year basis and compared apples-to-apples, it really was about a two and a half trillion dollar cut.”