Why is it that Nvidia holds value more over AMD?

[zlejedi]

The major problem with AMD cards from 7 series is that you literraly need to overclock them to reach their full potential.

 

[tigersty1e]

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Originally Posted by Xarick

It amazes me the 7950 lost over $100 in value in just a couple of months. Now you can get a 7950 for less than $200

the equivalent nvidia card also dropped $100.

the nvidia cards were always more expensive so it just seems like the value holds.

wait 1-2 more years when the market evaluates the 7950 and gtx 670 on performance (another way to say no fan boy goggles) and the price will be more similar.


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when you look at cards past 2 years, amd cards actually hold more value.

you have to get past the time period where the nvidia fan boys are paying the nvidia premium.

cards like the gtx 580 no longer carries the nvidia premium.

how much is 6950 an


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[BallaTheFeared]

You needed to overclock them just to get any kind of meaningful price/performance gain over the worst in class GTX 580.

 

[Jaydip]

Comparing overclocked cards vs non overclocked is just the biggest fail ever. If that was the case, even the 7950 would be blowing away the 680.

Nope it was one of the fastest 7970 period.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/30/msi_geforce_gtx_680_lightning_overclocking_redux/5

 

[tigersty1e]

The major problem with AMD cards from 7 series is that you literraly need to overclock them to reach their full potential.

this is a tech enthusiast site. this was the biggest benefit of amd cards. which furthers my point of amd cards having the better value.

unlocked voltage was the other big benefit. unless you like how nvidia is "protecting" users with locked voltage.


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[zlejedi]

this is a tech enthusiast site. this was the biggest benefit of amd cards. which furthers my point of amd cards having the better value.

unlocked voltage was the other big benefit. unless you like how nvidia is "protecting" users with locked voltage.


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All that value is pointless for majority of users and they are the ones dictating prices.

 

[Deders]

The major problem with AMD cards from 7 series is that you literraly need to overclock them to reach their full potential.

I'd say the same with Nvidia 6xx series. I got a massive improvement just by overclocking the memory by around a GHz. Overall I'd say I have a 16% increase in performance. It seems the 670 was crippled until you unleash the power target.

 

[SiliconWars]

Nope it was one of the fastest 7970 period.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/30/msi_geforce_gtx_680_lightning_overclocking_redux/5

Here a 1200 MHz 7950 IceQ is beating out the MSI 680 Lightning OC.

http://www.overclockers.com/his-hd-7950-iceq-x2-boost-clock-graphics-card-review

I guess the question is what is more believable, and given [H]'s reputation for constantly finding incredible Nvidia silicon these days, I'm gonna go with with the overclockers review.

 

[Carfax83]

Believe it or not, I was actually very interested in getting a pair of 7970 Ghz cards last year. It was around the same time AMD released their never settle drivers, and had picked up some serious steam and were actually beating NVidia; particularly at high resolution and high visual fidelity, which is where I game at. And all those free games were just icing on the cake.

I had certainly considered NVidia, as I was on GTX 580 SLI and primarily had been an NVidia user for a very long time, but I wasn't too impressed by the GTX 680's 35% lead over the GTX 580 at that time. Later on though, this lead would grow to 45% and 50% as the drivers matured.

Anyway, I'm glad I decided to hold out rather than getting suckered in by the benchmarks. It would have been a mistake, and I'm sure I would have had to return the cards.

Crossfire was still very much broken back then (it still is in many ways), and AMD didn't have a clue that it was. Sure, some guys will say," Just use a frame rate limiter and you'll be fine!"

But the whole purpose of multi GPU is to get higher frame rates, so why would I want to use a limiter?

So AMD's broken Crossfire implementation prevented what would have been a good sale. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's gotten cold feet when considering buying from AMD, or worse, had buyer's regret after making a purchase.

AMD has made some nice gains in driver performance and quality over the years, especially with the 7900 series. But they are still not even close to NVidia's level imo..

And good drivers are absolutely CRUCIAL to the gaming experience..

 

[cmdrdredd]

TIL Radeon HD 7970 competed with GTX 680 starting from NOV '11.

Interesting logic there.

A typo doesn't make anything incorrect there chief.

 

[KingFatty]

Saying that AMD has broken crossfire implementation is a bit unfair though, isn't it? I mean some people can't even notice it, so I think it falls within the gray zone, and is not purely a simple as a black and white statement.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Saying that AMD has broken crossfire implementation is a bit unfair though, isn't it? I mean some people can't even notice it, so I think it falls within the gray zone, and is not purely a simple as a black and white statement.

It's measurable and quantifiable so I think it's very valid.

 

[railven]

A typo doesn't make anything incorrect there chief.

What typo, captain?

 

[cmdrdredd]

What typo, captain?

The date genious. Do I really have to spell it out?

 

[railven]

The date genious. Do I really have to spell it out?

Such hostility. I care not for your mistake on the launch date. More so, find it interesting you're stating HD 7970 was competing with GTX 680 before GTX 680 was released.

Interesting logic. S'all.

 

[Carfax83]

Here a 1200 MHz 7950 IceQ is beating out the MSI 680 Lightning OC.

http://www.overclockers.com/his-hd-7950-iceq-x2-boost-clock-graphics-card-review

I guess the question is what is more believable, and given [H]'s reputation for constantly finding incredible Nvidia silicon these days, I'm gonna go with with the overclockers review.

That's a review from last year, right around the time where AMD had temporarily gained the edge with their never settle driver.

Things are different now. NVidia's drivers have matured on Kepler

 

[cmdrdredd]

Such hostility. I care not for your mistake on the launch date. More so, find it interesting you're stating HD 7970 was competing with GTX 680 before GTX 680 was released.

Interesting logic. S'all.

You know your competition is releasing a competing product, you always know this. So yeah you do need to be competitive from launch no matter what. You can't sit back and say "ahh ok we're faster as it is...just ship it...drivers don't matter now". That is what got them into the mess in the first place.

You think they didn't know what the next GPU from Nvidia would be like? You think Nvidia didn't know what their next one would be like? I assure you they have insiders or acquire pre-release/preview cards on the grey market. If they don't they aren't doing their job.

 

[railven]

You know your competition is releasing a competing product, you always know this. So yeah you do need to be competitive from launch no matter what. You can't sit back and say "ahh ok we're faster as it is...just ship it...drivers don't matter now". That is what got them into the mess in the first place.

So you're now saying AMD knew the performance for GTX 680 back in Dec '11?

EDIT: To your edit:

You think they didn't know what the next GPU from Nvidia would be like? You think Nvidia didn't know what their next one would be like? I assure you they have insiders or acquire pre-release/preview cards on the grey market. If they don't they aren't doing their job.

I don't know what they know. I can only assume. But it seems you know what they know. So, what's Hawaii's performance target? If it out performs GTX 780 does that mean it's been beating it since May '13?

 

[bystander36]

I don't know what they know. I can only assume. But it seems you know what they know. So, what's Hawaii's performance target? If it out performs GTX 780 does that mean it's been beating it since May '13?

Whether they knew or didn't know how well Nvidia cards would be doesn't change that they knew they did not rewrite their drivers for the architecture of their new cards. That was probably their biggest mistake.

 

[stahlhart]

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[cmdrdredd]

Whether they knew or didn't know how well Nvidia cards would be doesn't change that they knew they did not rewrite their drivers for the architecture of their new cards. That was probably their biggest mistake.

I know I would be upset if I was basically cheated out of performance and find out months later the card could have been faster than it was the whole time because the software wasn't ready or up to par. I expect game optimizations and such and maybe a little better performance as it goes along. However once they released their new drivers, it was almost like a new card.

I know they get hold of info before we know it. Whether they have a review sample to examine or whatever the case. They know more than us before we see reviews.

 

[Elfear]

I know I would be upset if I was basically cheated out of performance and find out months later the card could have been faster than it was the whole time because the software wasn't ready or up to par. I expect game optimizations and such and maybe a little better performance as it goes along. However once they released their new drivers, it was almost like a new card.

I know they get hold of info before we know it. Whether they have a review sample to examine or whatever the case. They know more than us before we see reviews.

But haven't multiple people stated in this very thread that Kepler has seen some impressive gains from driver optimizations too? So were Kepler buyers cheated?

 

[spat55]

Saying that AMD has broken crossfire implementation is a bit unfair though, isn't it? I mean some people can't even notice it, so I think it falls within the gray zone, and is not purely a simple as a black and white statement.

Mine is only broken in about 2% of games, and these are mainly ones that don't need it or are just console ports. F1 2012 is an example.

 

[Deders]

I quite like knowing that my cards performance will only improve with mature drivers.

 

[Jaydip]

Here a 1200 MHz 7950 IceQ is beating out the MSI 680 Lightning OC.

http://www.overclockers.com/his-hd-7950-iceq-x2-boost-clock-graphics-card-review

I guess the question is what is more believable, and given [H]'s reputation for constantly finding incredible Nvidia silicon these days, I'm gonna go with with the overclockers review.

This is the most incompetent review I read in the net, they didn't test 680 lightning with the LN2 bios!!!.It is not [H]'s fault that 680 lightning was such a fine piece of work.The funny thing is I see [H]'s review being pointed out quite a few times when it favors AMD, this is all too funny.