Why is it that Nvidia holds value more over AMD?

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magomago

Lifer
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It's measurable and quantifiable so I think it's very valid.

This is more from a scientific perspective:

Saying something is measurable and quantifiable is NOT the same as saying it functionally matters.

We can measurably quantify that person A is 1 mm taller than person B...doesn't mean that matters in any real world.

Just to add more color to the story: I've been running SLI since 2010 when people were screaming its broken, unplayable, and way to inconsistent. However, I've had a great experience the whole way thus far.
 

railven

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Whether they knew or didn't know how well Nvidia cards would be doesn't change that they knew they did not rewrite their drivers for the architecture of their new cards. That was probably their biggest mistake.

Of course them not rewriting their driver set for new hardware was stupid, and they had to live with the egg on their face. I wasn't even questioning that.

However, he went on to claim that HD 7970 took 6 (7 including the "typo") months to beat GTX 680. Even you have to find such logic questionable.
 

railven

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This is more from a scientific perspective:

Saying something is measurable and quantifiable is NOT the same as saying it functionally matters.

We can measurably quantify that person A is 1 mm taller than person B...doesn't mean that matters in any real world.

Just to add more color to the story: I've been running SLI since 2010 when people were screaming its broken, unplayable, and way to inconsistent. However, I've had a great experience the whole way thus far.

So an Onkyo amplifier rated at .05% distortion is going to sound less distorted than a Levinson amp rated at .5%?

At this point, I personally don't even get why people are trying to defend the CFX issues. They exist, regardless if you want to paint a threshold in which the majority aren't affected by, it still exists, and to those that it does affect it is most certainly a deal breaker.
 

cmdrdredd

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So an Onkyo amplifier rated at .05% distortion is going to sound less distorted than a Levinson amp rated at .5%?

It's measurable so yes it makes a difference.

Just cause you didn't see it doesn't mean it never happened. There are people who can vouch for it happening and they have real complaints that are backed up by testing data. If not, AMD wouldn't be working on frame pacing would they?

Of course them not rewriting their driver set for new hardware was stupid, and they had to live with the egg on their face. I wasn't even questioning that.

However, he went on to claim that HD 7970 took 6 (7 including the "typo") months to beat GTX 680. Even you have to find such logic questionable.

If they released the RIGHT DRIVERS on day one they would have been basically faster than the 680 even before the release of Nvidia's card.

I don't know why you're so stuck on not understanding this at all. Their drivers sucked...plain and simple.

This is more from a scientific perspective:

Saying something is measurable and quantifiable is NOT the same as saying it functionally matters.

We can measurably quantify that person A is 1 mm taller than person B...doesn't mean that matters in any real world.

Just to add more color to the story: I've been running SLI since 2010 when people were screaming its broken, unplayable, and way to inconsistent. However, I've had a great experience the whole way thus far.

There are people who complained about crossfire. Now AMD is working to fix it. If that doesn't say there IS a problem I don't know what does. Hell you can go to pcperspective.com and check their graphs and write ups on frame times. It's all there, measured and compiled for the readers. It does make a difference in the real world, if it didn't nobody would have complained and frame pacing would never be a thing.
 
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railven

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If they released the RIGHT DRIVERS on day one they would have been basically faster than the 680 even before the release of Nvidia's card.

I don't know why you're so stuck on not understanding this at all. Their drivers sucked...plain and simple.

They only sucked until the GTX 680 launched, prior to that they were adequate enough to make the HD 7970 the top card.

How you some how extend their deficiency to include a time frame which the card you are using to point out the deficiency wasn't even available is beyond me.

You never answered the question I posed to you: if Hawaii beats GTX 780, have they been beating them since May '13?
 

Emulex

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flashing mac bios to regular geforce cards rock out quadro 4000 drivers.. (make $$$)

strapping cards to become professional cards (VDI vga virtualization)

Simple drivers (i hate catalyst panel).
 

zlejedi

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You know your competition is releasing a competing product, you always know this. So yeah you do need to be competitive from launch no matter what. You can't sit back and say "ahh ok we're faster as it is...just ship it...drivers don't matter now". That is what got them into the mess in the first place.

Considering release 5870 drivers have removed shadows from dozens of games the 7 series drivers were quite mature for AMD standards.