why is it illegal to put your own pet down?

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
It costs less than $50 to do it at a vet.

And some people can't afford even that. What are they to do?

Can they afford a rock?

a rock seems more cruel and barbaric than drowning...I would have used gas.

maybe give it a combo of cat-nip and weed, before saying farewell.

I'd say a rock is dicey...I mean, if you don't kill it in the first blow thats not going to be good. But its gotta be better then drowning...you die in sheer terror and panic. Burning to death has to be the worst though, just pure agony.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Chryso
Why is it cruel? How many of us have drowned and can say straight up how bad it was?
I have heard that after the initial struggle drowning really isn't that bad.
Of course, I don't actually KNOW.

Let's ask this:

If you had to choose how you would die, what would you pick among these 3:

a) Firing Squad
b) Drowning
c) Lethal Injection


and for bonus points... why?

I pick all 3.
I'll get the injection, get thrown off a bridge with my feet in cement and people can take pot shots at me as I fall.
In the end, I'm not going to remember it.

As far as drowning the cat, I fail to see the big deal. Though i'm somewhat callus do to having to put animals down when growing up.

Someone mentioned about disposing of the body. They don't call garbage disposals, DisposALLs for nothing.
When it's my dogs time to go, If he doesn't go in his sleep he's going to get one last run in a field if he can, if not he can just lay down in nature and i'll shoot him in the back of the head. I'm not going to give someone $50 or more to do something that would cost me 50 cents. Besides, he's my dog and if I decide he needs to be put down, then I should be man enough to do it myself. He deserves better than to have a stranger put him down.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Chryso
Why is it cruel? How many of us have drowned and can say straight up how bad it was?
I have heard that after the initial struggle drowning really isn't that bad.
Of course, I don't actually KNOW.

Let's ask this:

If you had to choose how you would die, what would you pick among these 3:

a) Firing Squad
b) Drowning
c) Lethal Injection


and for bonus points... why?

The problem here is that the people who had to put down their cat, and I am assuming these people didn't just do it for fun but because the cat was in pain, only had option b available to them. I am sure these people would have been happy to use a better method but most people don't have hypodermic needles with appropriate drugs or firing squads around the house.

So let me get this straight... the cat went from either no pain or totally bearable pain on Saturday, when the vet would be open, to completely unbearable pain on Sunday... from a disease that usually causes a steadily increasing pain for months, if not years... and that they didn't have access to anything better than a bucket and could nothing to ease its pain for what was probably less than 24 hours? I've already said that any emergency clinic would be happy to tell them how to ease the cat's pain for a mere 24 hours so they can have it humanely put down.

The question you quoted me on WAS NOT if they could do it, but "Why is drowning so bad?", and you failed to answer a simple question and decided to just start a round-robin of arguments up.

 

[Xavier434]

Alright...my scenario was too far fetched. I see that now. I wrote it mostly on a whim based on some cases concerning disease that happened in my home town. Perhaps that scenario could be backed up more by a professional that deals with animal control. Perhaps not.

Regardless, the idea of people freely handling corpse control of their pets sounds like bad news to me. I imagine other scenarios could be presented which may raise more eye brows. If not, then this is not the first time that we have seen laws backed mostly by a majority opinion which is justified only by one's morals.

There are worse things out there to bitch about guys. Life's easier if you just let something like this slip through the cracks rather than get all pissy about it.

 

[Nik]

It's to prevent animal cruelty, which drowning should qualify under.

All you need is a single .22 round to the cat's head. My family has taken care of several generations of animals and most of my family that lives out in BFE around here have burried their loved pets that have passed on in their back yard after performing the euthenasia themselves.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

*person walks in to animal shelter*

Hey, I found this stray cat. I have a dog, so I can't keep it around my house.

Problem solved.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
It's to prevent animal cruelty, which drowning should qualify under.

All you need is a single .22 round to the cat's head. My family has taken care of several generations of animals and most of my family that lives out in BFE around here have burried their loved pets that have passed on in their back yard after performing the euthenasia themselves.

If they seemingly can't afford a vet euthanizing I would wonder why they would be able to buy a gun for the single purpose of shooting their cat.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Citrix

so you are saying there is a LAW that specifically says a pet owner MUST take their animal to a vet to be put down?

In some areas yes. In most you fall under rules concerning humane disposal.

Reasons are pretty apparent here with rocks coming up as a good way to kill a pet

I tried to discuss this in another thread, but people get the laws on feral/wild animals and house pets confused so there is no point.

If anyone has a question calling their local authorities will provide the right answer.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
It's to prevent animal cruelty, which drowning should qualify under.

All you need is a single .22 round to the cat's head. My family has taken care of several generations of animals and most of my family that lives out in BFE around here have burried their loved pets that have passed on in their back yard after performing the euthenasia themselves.

That is not necessarily a sure kill as well as possibly dangerous to others.

Outside of euthanasia you have firearm discharge laws in many areas and the like.

Things in the country are pretty different. Usually they have experience in killing animals to begin with whereas Joe Starbucks does not.

There is also a lot to be said in how the delivery is carried out.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

My personal method is using a gun. However, if a gun isn't available, I slit its throat. Cruelty? perhaps.. but it doesn't last long..

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Why would they drown it? There are plenty of humane ways to kill something without spending money.

Such as??

Grind up sleeping pills? You know how difficult it is to give a pill to a cat? Even ground up ones?
Shoot it? Not all people own guns. (they should but thats another thread)
Suffocate it in a plastic bag? I'm pretty sure that would count as cruelty too.


I hate how society is saying you have to spend money for EVERYTHING or else.

Being a pet owner is a privilege and not a right, if you're going to be a pet owner you need to be responsible for it's well-being and care.

He could have worked a payment plan with his vet or borrowed the money to let his cat die a peaceful and respectable death.

Paying someone to kill your pet counts as it's well-being and care?
How do you know the vets way is peaceful?

Because I've had to escort a beloved pet to the vet to ease their suffering.The animal can be held right to the end,he/she can be wrapped in a soft blanket as you say your goodbyes,he/she goes to sleep surrounded by the person who loved him,there's no frantic struggle. It is the final and most compassionate service we can give to our 4 legged companions.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Injury
The question you quoted me on WAS NOT if they could do it, but "Why is drowning so bad?", and you failed to answer a simple question and decided to just start a round-robin of arguments up.

Drowning except in extremely cold water is very tramatic as it is. Add in someone forcibly holding you down that was your caregiver prior to that it becomes clearly inhumane.

To another above that said the cat has no recollection once it's dead. Well neither does anything, but our society weighs killing methods different ways. Someone shooting someone that was fighting them is more reasonable than someone getting a knife, strapping someone else down and cutting them apart piece by piece.

Lethal injection is flawed as you did not denote what method. I will assume the style pets are put down with.

For me it would be inj, firing squad (assuming they are going for a kill and not pain), and then drowning.

There are two types of firing squads one that is trying to kill you instantly and the other that is looking for a slow kill.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Legally a pet owner can put their pet down, but not themselves.

The reasons are many...mainly it's not easy to kill things many times although most people think shoot it in the head or 'heart' and it's instant. Some of the time the owner get attacked and maimed during this and other times they end up with collateral damage when a bullet or the method harms someone else.

Bah. Live out in the country sometime. Used to occasionally find cats that had been hit by cars and were in very bad ways but still alive (barely) that would have to be finished off with a .22. Never heard of anyone getting attacked, much less maimed, while doing this, nor have I heard of problems with collateral damage. Out in the fields if you miss all you hit is a furrow in the ground.

ZV

You are thinking locally not globally.

Also many gun owners are not experienced with animals...it's not so easy to kill a pet sometimes, cattle live through a captive bolt hit directly to the brain sometimes that has killed the 200 cows prior to them no problem.

People try to shoot a pet while another holds it to comfort it...person ends up shot.

Not saying it always happens, explaining the reasons why it's not the best way.

Also not all country livers are experts in gun use and animal behavior/physiology.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: teclis1023
If you're too poor to take care of an animal, then you're too poor to own an animal.

Is this a real frikkin question? "Why is it illegal to drown a cat?"

Seriously?

It's already been said. Because drowning is cruel. You can say that to just about anything that isn't near "instant kill" where the animal's last breaths are it struggling to live. They could have easily asked the animal hospital what they can do to ease the pain until they can take it to the vet the next day and ANY animal hospital would have told them right over the phone.

Re-read my post. I agree with you.

 

[soydios]

my mother nearly drowned when a cousin sat on her head in a swimming pool when they were kids. she described it as clawing at the side of the pool trying to get up to the surface, then blacking out. she woke up in the middle of a very concerned circle of adults.

she's only told me and my sister that story once.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Why would they drown it? There are plenty of humane ways to kill something without spending money.

Such as??

Grind up sleeping pills? You know how difficult it is to give a pill to a cat? Even ground up ones?
Shoot it? Not all people own guns. (they should but thats another thread)
Suffocate it in a plastic bag? I'm pretty sure that would count as cruelty too.


I hate how society is saying you have to spend money for EVERYTHING or else.

Being a pet owner is a privilege and not a right, if you're going to be a pet owner you need to be responsible for it's well-being and care.

He could have worked a payment plan with his vet or borrowed the money to let his cat die a peaceful and respectable death.

Paying someone to kill your pet counts as it's well-being and care?
How do you know the vets way is peaceful?

Because I've had to escort a beloved pet to the vet to ease their suffering.The animal can be held right to the end,he/she can be wrapped in a soft blanket as you say your goodbyes,he/she goes to sleep surrounded by the person who loved him,there's no frantic struggle. It is the final and most compassionate service we can give to our 4 legged companions.

Ok, now this is a good answer. I will happily accept this and retract my former comments.
You have been through this with a pet. I have not. My pets have always died on their own and did not require putting down.

 

[Pacfanweb]

My question isn't about the cat, but about why anyone would even need to ask the question the OP did.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: GuideBot
It's to prevent animal cruelty, which drowning should qualify under.

All you need is a single .22 round to the cat's head. My family has taken care of several generations of animals and most of my family that lives out in BFE around here have burried their loved pets that have passed on in their back yard after performing the euthenasia themselves.

If they seemingly can't afford a vet euthanizing I would wonder why they would be able to buy a gun for the single purpose of shooting their cat.

You don't have to buy a gun. You can already own one. You can borrow one from a friend or a neighbor. Problem-solving for the win.

Vets are very expensive.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
There are worse things out there to bitch about guys. Life's easier if you just let something like this slip through the cracks rather than get all pissy about it.

I agree... now just convince the prosecutor to let this one slip through the cracks. Oh wait... he won't. Hope hes not another of those "i want my name in the paper" types otherwise this couple is totally screwed.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
how about putting it in the freezer?

that is good for fish


it depends on where you are. in the rural county i live in, you can get rid of your animals anyway you choose, no one would be prosecuted for drowning a cat

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
My question isn't about the cat, but about why anyone would even need to ask the question the OP did.

what, my question about when did it become illegal? why would you even question that? its a valid question.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: GuideBot
It's to prevent animal cruelty, which drowning should qualify under.

All you need is a single .22 round to the cat's head. My family has taken care of several generations of animals and most of my family that lives out in BFE around here have burried their loved pets that have passed on in their back yard after performing the euthenasia themselves.

If they seemingly can't afford a vet euthanizing I would wonder why they would be able to buy a gun for the single purpose of shooting their cat.

You don't have to buy a gun. You can already own one. You can borrow one from a friend or a neighbor. Problem-solving for the win.

Vets are very expensive.

and just where are you going to shoot the gun? in your garage?, back yard? basement so the neighbors dont hear?

 

[torpid]

I don't know about where the person in the story lives, but here, it is illegal to discharge a firearm within the city. So even if you got a gun, you'd have to take the animal out beyond the city borders and then you're left with the prospect of lugging a dead animal somewhere.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: moshquerade
how about putting it in the freezer?

that is good for fish


it depends on where you are. in the rural county i live in, you can get rid of your animals anyway you choose, no one would be prosecuted for drowning a cat

Just to clear up any confusion, Sprinkles the cat being placed in the freezer so it could be put out of its' misery is from "The Office".

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Why would they drown it? There are plenty of humane ways to kill something without spending money.

Exactly.