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Corbett

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Clinton's blow job=Millions of dead sperm

Bushes excellent adventure in Iraq= Billions of dollars spent and over 20,000 American casualties and many more Iraqi casualties.

Sorry but Congress voted for the war so it is America's war, not Bush's war. Nice try lib.



Yeah, you are ok with bush admin LIEING about WMD's "the whole reason for going"? Nice try yourself. The commander and chief is the one to blame here...

You guys do realize there is a difference between receiving bad intel from MULTIPLE intelligence agencies including other governments and actually lying to start a war don't you? Unless either of you have PROOF Bush lied I suggest you stfu for now. That argument doen't hold water and is only used by the people who hate Bush and this current administration.

Also, you do realize that there are many reports that the weapons we were searching for were taken out of the country before we actually invaded, no?
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Corbett

You guys do realize there is a difference between receiving bad intel from MULTIPLE intelligence agencies including other governments and actually lying to start a war don't you? Unless either of you have PROOF Bush lied I suggest you stfu for now. That argument doen't hold water and is only used by the people who hate Bush and this current administration.

Also, you do realize that there are many reports that the weapons we were searching for were taken out of the country before we actually invaded, no?

We realize that. You do realize though, that there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war? How many instances did you ever hear of a single person in this administration saying that "Although we are absolutely positive, there have been some intel reports that state otherwise."? I'll make it easy for you......ZERO!! Are you going to lie and say that there wasn't a single doubt cast by anyone about the accuracy of the intel that Bush and his cronies were peddling?

Also, I would like to see any proof that you have that a single weapon was transported out of Iraq prior to the war. It would seem that the most thorough report on the topic, The Duelfer Report, disagrees with you:

ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence offi cials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.

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Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place.
 

LegendKiller

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1. The Administration knew that the intelligence surrounding Zaire "Yellowcake" was from somebody that was extremely untrustworthy and prone to lying. This was corroborated by many sources. Even when informed of this, the President put it into his speech and merely said "British Intelligence...", even though it was CIA intelligence and CIA analyst that *KNEW* it was BS. Instead of admitting and omitting, they obfuscated and lied.

They also lied about Al-Q connections to Iraq.

2. The administration *KNEW* there were no WMD manufacturing. However, they further clouded the truth by labeling trucks as mobile factories, despite knowing contrary information. This is part of the aluminum tubes also.

3. The administration changed analysts opinions and/or buried them when they were contrary to administration policy. This is akin to investment bankers pushing analysts to change their analysis of companies in order to get business from those same companies. Analysts analyze and should not be involved in politican manuvering, otherwise their analysis is crap. The securities industry got slammed and was forced to enact "chinese walls" between analysis and IB. However, the government persists in controlling analysis.

Their perspective is that when the analysis doesn't fit what they want to push to the American public as "fact", then get rid of the analysis. This is wag-the-dog style BS.

4. Congress does *NOT* get the same analysis as the White House. This is a well-known fact that what Congress (or even the DoJ) sees is watered-down and often changed. Many times it is due to "national security", other times it is because the Administration wants to slant arguments to their side.

This is particularily disturbing since Congress Comittees are supposed to have an insight into the inner-intelligence gathering methods and findings. However, since they are not given the *ACTUAL* feed of those methodologies, they cannot police or check and balance the system.

This means that the administration is *NOT* answerable to the elected officials and checks and balances system and they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT!

To blame Congress for not knowing what the truth is is like blaming a motorist for going over the speed limit when some kids put up 80mph limit signs as a practical joke.

Heck, even the DoJ cannot get access to the "truth" because it is so highly "classified" (Read: Full of lies), that they cannot investigate whether we were lied to or not.


6. Further evidence of sidestepping of the Constitution has occurred with the NSA programs. If there is a legal process in place that is quick, top secret, *AND* effective, then why sidestep it UNLESS you are doing something illegal? It was been effective in the past since we have caught terrorists using FISA. However, we haven't caught any when stepping outside of the law.

That is, unless we have and the judicial system isn't aware of it. In this case, further rights are violated by not giving people a fair trial under law.


If we are going to undermine our system by circumventing the very structure of what makes this country great, then are we no better than those who wish to destroy it? We are doing a damn fine job of killing the Constitution ourselves without the help of Bin Laden.

 

shadow9d9

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People.. you are wasting your time... some people just do not want/will not hear anything opposing what they have been told/believe...
 

Fox5

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Bush has ultimate authority, thus he has ultimate responsibility for all failures this nation incurs, especially when they come as a direct result of his decisions, regardless of what those under may have failed to do. It is also his responsibility to make sure he has an able administration, and replace people if they are not.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: Aimster
Is this how it has always been? I was too young to remember anyone before Bush.

& what I mean is that everyone blames the President for everything.

In the modern US government the president is the main driver for domestic, foreign, and economic policies.

Bush and Reagan are the only presidents in the last 50 years who have not taken full responsibility for the actions of their adminstrations.

Bush has blamed Clinton for everything.

Who did Reagan blame it on? Carter?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war?

Proof?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war?

Proof?

I find arguments with some people on this subject futile. They wont change their mind and you wont either.

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Genx87

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

DING DING DING.

Hindsight is 20/20!
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war?

Proof?

I find arguments with some people on this subject futile. They wont change their mind and you wont either.

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

as usual, GenX sums it up perfectly and succinctly... well done man!
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Genx87

I find arguments with some people on this subject futile. They wont change their mind and you wont either.

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

Here is the catch, the administration *KNEW* the WMD suspicions were BS. They deliberately hid or manipulated the truth, ala Yellowcake. You can deny it all you want, but they knew BEFORE they went to war that Yellowcake and ALuminum tubes "proof" was nothing but smoke and mirrors. They had analyst reports, backup evidence, and solid proof that those two cases, major underpinings of the road to war, were nothing but BS.

 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
They had analyst reports, backup evidence, and solid proof that those two cases, major underpinings of the road to war, were nothing but BS.

Again, proof? Or just another anti-bush conspiracy theory?
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war?

Proof?

I find arguments with some people on this subject futile. They wont change their mind and you wont either.

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

Genx87,
But that is just papering over the intelligence community and basically saying "they are all the same". But that's NOT TRUE. Let's take the aluminum tubes for centerfuges canard. Everyone knew that Iraq was looking to buy a certain type of aluminum tube on the market. A very, VERY junior CIA analyst reached the conclusion that these must be for uranium enrichment centerfuges. Much more senior analysts looked over his report, and and realized immediately that Iraq had previously bought similar aluminum tubes, with only slightly lesser quality, for a range of military battlefield rockets that they produced domestically. These rockets were also know by the CIA to have performance issues - which the more senior analysts realized could also account for the relatively high quality specified in the more recent order - better tubes mean lesser quality control variances and better performance. With that taken into account, the senior CIA officers concluded that the tubes were unlikely to be for WMD programs, but very, very likely to be for battlefield rockets.

So which version of the intelligence did DoD and the White House size upon? The original report, by a very junior analyst that confirmed what they wanted to hear, or the updated report by more seasoned professionals that gave no reason to go to war? Though both versions came from the CIA, only a fool would take the very junior analyst's report...

Lastly, I find it interesting that we had the August 2001 intelligence briefing telling of immenent attacks, but we did not have warrantless phone taps, a database of all telco calls in the US, or and of our other recent liberties surrendered. In short, we had all the indications we needed to prepare a brief outlining the threat - without giving up a single liberty. Hmmmmm.....

Future Shock
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong there WERE multiple agencies and countries giving contridictory intel that was presented to this administration that they ignored or didn't provide to Congress or the American public in the propoganda campaign for this war?

Proof?

How about I start with

This

A published report says the Bush administration ignored substantial evidence to the contrary when it claimed before the war that Iraq had imported material for a nuclear weapons program.

The New York Times reported in Sunday editions that the White House claim that thousands of aluminum tubes were intended for use in centrifuges for enriching uranium was made despite warnings from the Energy Department and the State Department.

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"I am no expert on centrifuge tubes, but it strikes me as quite odd that these tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that far exceeds U.S. requirements for comparable rockets," Powell said. "All the experts agree that have analyzed the tubes in our observation, says they can be adapted for centrifuge use."

But in fact, conflicting opinions were coming from senior officials at the Department of Energy.
They warned that the tubes were too long, too thick and too shiny for use in the centrifuge process, and were being purchased openly by Iraq, not secretly. Energy Department experts believed the tubes were most likely for use in small artillery rockets.

The Times also reported that the State Department, British intelligence and International Atomic Energy Agency raised similar doubts.

Administration officials rarely addressed those doubts in public. The Times says that in March 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney said Saddam "actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time," despite the fact that the CIA had not concluded that was true.

This

The Bush administration knew as early as mid-2001 that a central plank of its argument about Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction was regarded by its own nuclear experts as probably untrue, it was reported yesterday.

The Energy Department experts said thousands of aluminium tubes purchased by Iraq, and cited by the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, as "irrefutable evidence" of Mr. Hussein's nuclear ambitions, were more likely destined for small-arms manufacture, according to the New York Times.

The experts conveyed their doubts to the administration in an intelligence memo dated August 17 2001, but were disregarded in favour of a junior CIA analyst who championed the idea that the tubes were to be used in uranium enrichment, the report said.

This

MARK COLVIN: A lot of people are now thinking those two are now considerable probabilities. I mean, how could any intelligence service guard against that kind of situation?

ANDREW WILKIE: We come back to what the intelligence community thought was going on in Iraq and the intelligence community was confident that there was some mischief going on, but was never so certain as what was being said publicly by the various governments.

I hasten to add that there is no doubt that the intelligence community did overestimate the threat to a degree, but any error, any failure on the intelligence community's behalf, is a much lesser sin or problem than the way the governments then took those ambiguous and measured assessments and spun them up and exaggerated them and hardened them up.


MARK COLVIN: Which governments?

ANDREW WILKIE: The Australian Government, the American Government and the British Government.

This

As former secretary of state Colin L. Powell worked into the night in a New York hotel room, on the eve of his February 2003 presentation to the U.N. Security Council, CIA officers sent urgent e-mails and cables describing grave doubts about a key charge he was going to make.

On the telephone that night, a senior intelligence officer warned then-CIA Director George J. Tenet that he lacked confidence in the principal source of the assertion that Saddam Hussein's scientists were developing deadly agents in mobile laboratories.

Former CIA director George J. Tenet, left, did not pass on to former secretary of state Colin L. Powell doubts relayed to him by a senior intelligence officer. (Kathy Willens -- AP)

"Mr. Tenet replied with words to the effect of 'yeah, yeah' and that he was 'exhausted,' " according to testimony quoted yesterday in the report of President Bush's commission on the intelligence failures leading up to his decision to invade Iraq in March 2003.

Tenet told the commission he did not recall that part of the conversation. He relayed no such concerns to Powell, who made the germ- warfare charge a centerpiece of his presentation the next day.

That was one among many examples -- cited over 692 pages in the report -- of fruitless dissent on the accuracy of claims against Iraq. Up until the days before U.S. troops entered Iraqi territory that March, the intelligence community was inundated with evidence that undermined virtually all charges it had made against Iraq, the report said.

In scores of additional cases involving the country's alleged nuclear and chemical programs and its delivery systems, the commission described a kind of echo chamber in which plausible hypotheses hardened into firm assertions of fact, eventually becoming immune to evidence.


Leading analysts accepted at face value data supporting the existence of illegal weapons, the commission said, and discounted counter-evidence as skillful Iraqi deception.

The commission's anatomy of failure on Iraq's alleged nuclear weapons program is a case in point. It begins in early 2001, as Bush took office, when the CIA got its first report that Iraq was trying to buy black-market aluminum tubes. The agency swiftly concluded, after intercepting a sample in April of that year, that Iraq intended the tubes to be used in centrifuges that would enrich uranium for the core of a nuclear weapon.

The CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC) never budged from that analysis, the report said. In the following 18 months, WINPAC analysts won a fierce bureaucratic battle against dissenters from other agencies who said the tubes -- roughly three feet long and three inches in diameter -- were the wrong size, shape and material for plausible use in centrifuges.

The tubes became the principal evidence for a "key judgment" in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, which said Iraq had "reconstituted" a nuclear weapons program and could build a bomb before the end of the decade.

To support its assertions about the aluminum tubes, the CIA made a series of arguments that the nation's leading centrifuge physicists described repeatedly as technically garbled, improbable or unambiguously false, the report said.

One WINPAC analyst -- identified previously in The Washington Post as "Joe," with his surname withheld at the CIA's request -- responded by bypassing the Energy Department's Oak Ridge National Laboratory, the nation's only major center of expertise on nuclear centrifuge technology. Joe commissioned a contractor to conduct tests of his own design, then rejected the contractor's results when they did not meet his expectations.

Yesterday's report said the CIA also created a panel of experts to rival the Oak Ridge team. Those experts concluded, based on "a stack of documents provided by the CIA," that the tubes were meant for centrifuges.

The CIA refused to convene the government's authoritative forum for resolving technical disputes about nuclear weapons. The Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee proposed twice, in the spring and summer of 2002, to assess all the evidence. The CIA's front office replied, according to yesterday's report, "that CIA was not ready to discuss its position."

The same summer, then-deputy CIA director John E. McLaughlin brought talking points to a meeting of Bush's national security cabinet, asserting that the tubes were "destined for a gas centrifuge program" and that their procurement showed "clear intent to produce weapons-capable fissile material." The next month, the CIA sent policymakers a report calling the tubes "compelling evidence that Iraq has renewed its gas centrifuge uranium enrichment program."

Within weeks of the tubes' interception, the report said, Energy Department experts told the CIA that they matched precisely the materials and dimensions of an Italian-made rocket called the Medusa, a standard NATO munition. They also pointed out that Iraq was building copies of the Medusa and declared a stockpile of identical tubes to U.N. inspectors in 1996.

The CIA asked the Army's National Ground Intelligence Center for an analysis of the tubes but withheld the information about the Medusa and the 1996 discovery. The Army analysts said, among other things, that no known rocket used that particular aluminum alloy -- disregarding not only the Medusa but also the U.S.-built Hydra rocket.


"The intercepted tubes were not only well-suited, but were in fact a precise fit, for Iraq's conventional rockets," the commission said yesterday, but "certain agencies were more wedded to the analytical position that the tubes were destined for a nuclear program."

Even the Energy Department did not hold fast to its analysis. Although it dissented on the tubes, it went along with the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in concluding that Iraq had resumed a nuclear weapons program, based on arguments the commission called insubstantial and illogical. One analyst told the commission, "DOE didn't want to come out before the war and say [Iraq] wasn't reconstituting."

Another key piece of evidence came from an Iraqi defector who told the DIA that Iraq had built a secret new nuclear facility. U.S. intelligence could not verify the report, or locate the alleged facility, which did not exist. After the war, the CIA concluded that the defector was "directed" in his claims by the Iraqi National Congress, led by then-exile Ahmed Chalabi. To this day, however, the DIA has not withdrawn the defector's reporting from national databases, the report showed.

Nor has the DIA withdrawn assessments provided by defectors such as "Curveball," whose tales of mobile laboratories in which scientists cooked up biological weapons were pure fabrication, according to the commission.


Concerns over Curveball had been floating around the CIA for more than three years by the time Powell shared his claims with the world. No CIA officer even met Curveball before the war, although on the night before Powell's presentation, a defense intelligence officer wrote an e-mail to colleagues noting that in his meeting with the defector, Curveball appeared "hung over" and unreliable.

"These views were expressed to CIA leadership," the commissioners wrote, including to McLaughlin and his assistant. But they were also watered down as they moved up within the intelligence community, and were never shared with outsiders. "We found no evidence that the doubts were conveyed by CIA leadership to policymakers in general -- or Secretary Powell in particular."

In fact, the more Curveball's credibility came into question, the more his allegations were used to bolster the case for war, the report said.

Even after Powell's now-famous presentation in the chamber of the U.N. Security Council, the CIA tried to find out more information about Curveball, whose stories had been relayed to the Pentagon through German intelligence. Five days after Powell's presentation, the CIA sent an e-mail to a senior defense intelligence official seeking more information about the defector.

What followed, in the commission's account, highlights the terrible working relationships within the intelligence community, the lack of interest in getting the truth about Curveball and the ease with which the DIA discarded concerns about the case against Iraq.

The defense intelligence division chief who received the CIA e-mail forwarded it to a subordinate in an e-mail that was inadvertently copied back to the sender. In it, the division chief expressed shock at the CIA's suggestion that Curveball might be unreliable. The "CIA is up to their old tricks" and did not "have a clue" about how the source had been handled, the division chief wrote in excerpts quoted in the commission's report.

Only in March 2004, one year after the invasion of Iraq, did the CIA confront Curveball over his prewar claims.

I'm tired and this it too easy for you and GenX and Palehorse and the rest of the apologists to find IF any of you really cared about the truth.

GenX, you are such a POS. How can you sit there and try to claim that:

Originally posted by: GenX

One thing is if these supposed intelligence reports were used to over the intelligence that showed Saddam had WMD and we got hit with a WMD from Saddams arsenal, you know for certain somebody like RightIsWrong would be front and center demanding to know why we didnt go in based on the reports showing he had WMD.

You see the same contradictory argument out of them every day. They complain we didnt stop the hijackers based on "attack iminent", but dont want to give up freedom of anonimity when making phone calls or allow the govt to have roaming wire taps when these guys are switching phones on a daily basis.

All you can do is conclude they arent serious about what they complain about and just ignore them for the better.

You try to sound so high and mighty like you are proud of the fact that you refuse to actually open your eyes and see that this administration has cost you personally, tens of thousands of dollars in future taxes over their manipulation of intelligence to start a war that was completely unneccessary.

You are a hypocrit of the highest caliber. Well, maybe not. You aren't smart enough to realize that you were played for a fool and want those that did such to be held accountable. You are the very definition of the term "Apologist".

And you are right, there is no way in hell that I want to live a life of fear as you do. I am not willing to give up a single freedom or right for a false sense of security like you, Palehorse and the other chickensh*ts that allow such actions to happen as a necessity for our safety. If you want to feel safe and secure, you can move to China. I hear that they have been very caring for their citizens by only allowing them the rights that the govt. feels will keep them secure.
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Maybe its not criminal because he didn't testify under oath while saying those lies, but does that really make it any better?

umm, yes. yes it does.

allegations vs. proven crimes.

The allegations about the lies are inherantly rooted in facts. Even the tiniest amount of research proves the claims that Saddam and Al-Queda were linked are false. Btw, I still don't understand how blowjob > lying about intelligence for a war to sucker the American people into supporting it and thereby causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: blackllotus

The allegations about the lies are inherantly rooted in facts. Even the tiniest amount of research proves the claims that Saddam and Al-Queda were linked are false. Btw, I still don't understand how blowjob > lying about intelligence for a war to sucker the American people into supporting it and thereby causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis.

It's because they rubber stamp anybody who will vote anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-religion, and be a "Republican".

Provided a President does that, he will get away with anything, including lying, murder, false wars, crimes against the Constitution, and being outright stupid.

. However, if you are pro-gay rights, pro-abortion, for separation of church and state, and a "Democrat", you cannot get away with a BJ.

I think some people have forgotten what a Republican is. Bush is definitely not one.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: blackllotus

The allegations about the lies are inherantly rooted in facts. Even the tiniest amount of research proves the claims that Saddam and Al-Queda were linked are false. Btw, I still don't understand how blowjob > lying about intelligence for a war to sucker the American people into supporting it and thereby causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis.

It's because they rubber stamp anybody who will vote anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-religion, and be a "Republican".

Provided a President does that, he will get away with anything, including lying, murder, false wars, crimes against the Constitution, and being outright stupid.

. However, if you are pro-gay rights, pro-abortion, for separation of church and state, and a "Democrat", you cannot get away with a BJ.

I think some people have forgotten what a Republican is. Bush is definitely not one.
I love how those who complain about bringing up the bj incident are always the ones who bring up the bj incident.

For the record and once again, SlickWilly got away with the bj, even Hillary "forgave him". What he didn't get away with was perjury. Then again... he got away with that too. Go figure.

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
For the record and once again, SlickWilly got away with the bj, even Hillary "forgave him". What he didn't get away with was perjury. Then again... he got away with that too. Go figure.
If by "got away with" you mean fined $90,000 and forced to give up his bar membership and law license, then yeah he sure got away with it. :roll:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
For the record and once again, SlickWilly got away with the bj, even Hillary "forgave him". What he didn't get away with was perjury. Then again... he got away with that too. Go figure.
You just said a mouthful!

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
For the record and once again, SlickWilly got away with the bj, even Hillary "forgave him". What he didn't get away with was perjury. Then again... he got away with that too. Go figure.
You just said a mouthful!
Tough to swallow it? :laugh:

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: moshquerade
For the record and once again, SlickWilly got away with the bj, even Hillary "forgave him". What he didn't get away with was perjury. Then again... he got away with that too. Go figure.
If by "got away with" you mean fined $90,000 and forced to give up his bar membership and law license, then yeah he sure got away with it. :roll:
Impeached baby. That's what he got away with - not being impeached.