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Why is China such a selfish country?

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jingramm

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Up to this point, they have witnessed explosive growth and rising income levels at the expense of other countries. They have been focused solely on their GDP, GDP, GDP.
Not only is their currency manipulation an issue, but they rarely ever want to negotiate and their state-owned firms are able to compete unfairly on an international level.

Being the second largest economy in the world and the third biggest trading partner now so it should shoulder some global responsibilities.
 
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Money is power.

It could be argued that they are in a hostile war-like mindset, doing everything they can to expand economically into the next superpower. From their point of view, how could that be a bad thing?
 
waah. Western complaining about the Western system of economics which is basically gambling. We know those Chinese love to gamble and you gave them a fairly simple game to cheat at.
 
what a stupid question!

every country is selfish to it's own interests. if you could get richer by fucking over another country you would do it. so would every other country if they could get away with it.
 
For years, other cultures and also internally, it has been screwed over.

As soon as it figured out how to play the game of taking advantage of the weakling and eager beavers, those that were taking advantage of it are now complaining that the advantage no longer exists and the tables are turned.
 
The US demands of European countries which export meat to the US that they do not treat the animals against many well treatable diseases, while animals in the US do get treated for those same diseases (the treatment used poses no harm to humans, so there is no reason not to treat them). So when such a disease breaks out it doesn't harm the US economy but does harm the European economy.

That's pretty selfish too to say the least.
 
jingramm said:
Up to this point, they have witnessed explosive growth and rising income levels at the expense of other countries. They have been focused solely on their GDP, GDP, GDP.
Not only is their currency manipulation an issue, but they rarely ever want to negotiate and their state-owned firms are able to compete unfairly on an international level.

Being the second largest economy in the world and the third biggest trading partner now so it should shoulder some global responsibilities.
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Also they are commies, they should be doing what's good for the whole even at the expensive of the few (themselves). :colbert:
 
jingramm said:
Why is China such a selfish country?
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Its called protecting your national interest. Something that Americans have forgot about.

Over the past few decades we have been taught protectionism is a bad thing. But we see how its working out for china.

China is a good example of what protectionism can do for a country.
 
Texashiker said:
Its called protecting your national interest. Something that Americans have forgot about.

Over the past few decades we have been taught protectionism is a bad thing. But we see how its working out for china.

China is a good example of what protectionism can do for a country.
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I think, if anything, this last decade has shown how much of a "protectionist" country we are. You know, the Patriot act, TSA, illegal phone taps being ok, etc...After all, it's for your own good.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Because it's the human way. You don't see selfishness everyday in the USA? I do...
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That's not what he is talking about, American corporations are selfish but don't give it damn about America and will sell it out for another buck.

The Chinese government (State Capitalism) does what is best for China in the long term and won't play the game according to western (American) rules. Intellectual property being one of the best examples.

This is why greed (profit only matters mentality) may look good for the individual or individual company but in the end is detrimental to society and especially the country.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I think, if anything, this last decade has shown how much of a "protectionist" country we are. You know, the Patriot act, TSA, illegal phone taps being ok, etc...After all, it's for your own good.
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China has that times 100, I think he was referring to the economic interests of the country.
 
1prophet said:
That's not what he is talking about, American corporations are selfish but don't give it damn about America and will sell it out for another buck.

The Chinese government (State Capitalism) does what is best for China in the long term and won't play the game according to western (American) rules. Intellectual property being one of the best examples.

This is why greed (profit only matters mentality) may look good for the individual or individual company but in the end is detrimental to society and especially the country.
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I don't disagree, and it's the same government applying the other items to our everyday lives that has allowed our country to get fucked for the profit of a few.
 
Over the past few decades US citizens have been taught that protectionism is bad. When I was in school back in the 1970s and 1980s teachers have very few good things to say about protecting a nations economy from the effects of free trade.

We were taught that tariffs were bad and hurt the economy.

Now, we get to see what the real effects of an unprotected economy.

While the US continues to wither in a recession, China continues to maintain a booming economy.

While parts of the US have rolling blackouts during the summer, china is building the largest hydro-electric dam in human history.
 
jingramm said:
Up to this point, they have witnessed explosive growth and rising income levels at the expense of other countries. They have been focused solely on their GDP, GDP, GDP.
Not only is their currency manipulation an issue, but they rarely ever want to negotiate and their state-owned firms are able to compete unfairly on an international level.

Being the second largest economy in the world and the third biggest trading partner now so it should shoulder some global responsibilities.
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What responsibilities do we partake in? Invading and occupying random foreign countries while propping up dictators with oil profits? Maybe you are referring to our great job controlling china and inspiring a communist rebellion?
 
If China is selfish then what leaves countries like Saudi Arabia that sits on enormous oil wealth and yet does absolutely nothing of note to improve the lives of its citizens since forever?
 
Because they look at us and see playing world police and blowing billions to put in and then bribe fundamentalist "pro"-democracy dictators is fucking stupid.
 
SirStev0 said:
Because they look at us and see playing world police and blowing billions to put in and then bribe fundamentalist "pro"-democracy dictators is fucking stupid.
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You bring up a very important topic, and that is how much money the US blows in overseas projects.

Instead of china sending money to other countries, they are building infrastructure. Just look at the scale and magnitude of the 3 gorges dam.

In the US, we send billions overseas while our bridges and roads are falling apart.
 
A very small fraction of the Chinese are selfish (not dissimilar to today's America). The majority of Chinese citizens are impoverished, uneducated, and ignorant because the government feels knowledge will come at the cost of instability.
 
StrangerGuy said:
If China is selfish then what leaves countries like Saudi Arabia that sits on enormous oil wealth and yet does absolutely nothing of note to improve the lives of its citizens since forever?
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Don't post about things you have no understanding of.

The House of Sa'ud an be called many things. Repressive, non-transparent, capricious, etc but tight purse strings have never been a problem for them. In a land without a comprehensive taxation system, the royal family simply pays for things "out of pocket" and when you combine that with vast oil wealth and a strong desire to seen as "modern," selfishness isn't really a quality you can attribute to them.
Look up the Saudi concept of "social safety nets" and you may be impressed. How about the various economic protections citizens have? Tariffs, pensions, healthcare that would make many Americans drool...


"Nothing of note" sounds pretty weak when there doesn't seem to have been much noting at all.



I don't think China is "selfish" per se, but I do think the country as a whole still has a chip on it's shoulder from the colonial times, and bristles at the notion of it being considered a 3rd world manufacturing hub of low cost, low quality goods. China wants prestige and influence more than anything. If they have to manipulate their currency or say "no rare earth metals for you!" like some petulant brat to achieve it all, it's not a hard choice for them.
Regardless, we as Americans aren't really in any position to point fingers here. The "profit before all" mentality so firmly entrenched in Wall Street has really come to a head these last couple of years. I can't bring myself to sneer at China, not with having listened to the GOP make villains out of the hard working middle class, and portray very wealthy people as victims and scapegoats.
 
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