Why is China such a selfish country?

[theevilsharpie]

We were taught that tariffs were bad and hurt the economy.

Now, we get to see what the real effects of an unprotected economy.

While the US continues to wither in a recession, China continues to maintain a booming economy.

Since 1970, real GDP has more than tripled. In 2011, the U.S. achieved its highest real GDP ever. The unprotected economy is so horrible :'(

 

[Phokus]

Since 1970, real GDP has more than tripled. In 2011, the U.S. achieved its highest real GDP ever. The unprotected economy is so horrible :'(

Of course the overwhelming amount of gains went to the top 1%.

 

[Infohawk]

Countries aren't people so you have be careful ascribing them emotions or human characteristics.

I would say China has nationalistic policies. This is basically par for the course when you have an authoritative dictatorship. I don't think it's specific to China.

The real question is, why does the US encourage China? American policy-makers have mistakenly believed that a market-based China is good for America while effectively ignoring human rights issues.

 

[Riparian]

Countries aren't people so you have be careful ascribing them emotions or human characteristics.

I would say China has nationalistic policies. This is basically par for the course when you have an authoritative dictatorship. I don't think it's specific to China.

The real question is, why does the US encourage China? American policy-makers have mistakenly believed that a market-based China is good for America while effectively ignoring human rights issues.

Even though there's absurd disparity of wealth in China, there's definitely more money flowing into the general population's hands. This is especially true in larger cities. Twenty years ago, protests in China would be crushed and disbanded with pretty much zero news coverage. My recent trips to China had me encountering a protest just about every day. The protests varied from protests about poor wages to poor treatment by businesses. It was surprising to see so many open protests. Wealth helps significantly in curbing large scale human rights issues.

 

[Herr Kutz]

The US demands of European countries which export meat to the US that they do not treat the animals against many well treatable diseases, while animals in the US do get treated for those same diseases (the treatment used poses no harm to humans, so there is no reason not to treat them). So when such a disease breaks out it doesn't harm the US economy but does harm the European economy.

That's pretty selfish too to say the least.

Your post has nothing to do with why China is selfish or not.

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[Texashiker]

Since 1970, real GDP has more than tripled. In 2011, the U.S. achieved its highest real GDP ever. (

Your comments make no sense at all.

So what if the GDP tripled since 1970? Has the GDP kept up with inflation and population growth?

 

[senseamp]

All countries should be selfish. The problem is that US lets China be as selfish as it wants at our expense, because our government is controlled by corporatists who like to buy cheap in China and sell dear in the US. It's corporatists and China against the American people.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Has the GDP kept up with inflation...

Real GDP is adjusted for inflation, so yes.

...and population growth?

Real GDP per capita for 2011 was the fifth-highest figure ever recorded (bested only by figures from 2005-2008), and is about $1,000 off from highest ever recorded. So for the most part, yes.

 

[Texashiker]

Real GDP is adjusted for inflation, so yes.

Real GDP per capita for 2011 was the fifth-highest figure ever recorded (bested only by figures from 2005-2008), and is about $1,000 off from highest ever recorded. So for the most part, yes.

Got government charts and graphs to backup your statements?

and we want to make sure we are talking about numbers adjusted for inflation.

From what I am seeing from this site - http://www.ssa.gov/oact/COLA/AWI.html the average wage has not kept up with inflation. Even though the average wage is increasing, the buying power of the money is decreasing due to inflation.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Got government charts and graphs to backup your statements?

Real GDP
http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls

Real GDP per capita
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Macroeconomics/Data/HistoricalRealPerCapitaIncomeValues.xls

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Because they look at us and see playing world police and blowing billions to put in and then bribe fundamentalist "pro"-democracy dictators is fucking stupid.

What was China's vote on sanctions for Syria? Oh wait they voted to support the regime there to support their own interests at the expense of the Syrian people.

As for China's economic stance well of course they are looking out for themselves. Economic competition amongst nations can be construed as just another form of warfare in many cases.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Even though there's absurd disparity of wealth in China, there's definitely more money flowing into the general population's hands. This is especially true in larger cities. Twenty years ago, protests in China would be crushed and disbanded with pretty much zero news coverage. My recent trips to China had me encountering a protest just about every day. The protests varied from protests about poor wages to poor treatment by businesses. It was surprising to see so many open protests. Wealth helps significantly in curbing large scale human rights issues.

Did you see any protests that were actually against the Chinese government and their policies?

 

[gingermeggs]

china -SELFISH IS GOOD! IT MEANS YOU DONT SHARE YOUR SHIT with other people.
USA- Greed is bad- it means you take other peoples shit, even if they don't want to give it!

 

[rchiu]

All countries should be selfish. The problem is that US lets China be as selfish as it wants at our expense, because our government is controlled by corporatists who like to buy cheap in China and sell dear in the US. It's corporatists and China against the American people.

Funny it's the American people who buy stuff from those corporatists and put those corporatists in business the first place.

And yeah, every country is selfish, and at least China hasn't invade any country for selfish reasons - yet.

 

[Texashiker]

Real GDP
http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls

Real GDP per capita
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Macroeconomics/Data/HistoricalRealPerCapitaIncomeValues.xls

Anything adjusted for inflation?

I'll leave this here for later reference - http://www.ssa.gov/oact/COLA/awidevelop.html

 

[Riparian]

Anything adjusted for inflation?

I'll leave this here for later reference - http://www.ssa.gov/oact/COLA/awidevelop.html

Real GDP is adjusted for inflation.

 

[Riparian]

Did you see any protests that were actually against the Chinese government and their policies?

Definitely less so than just general demonstrations but you still see pockets of them. I'm not saying things are perfect but merely that things are getting better and a better distribution of wealth is a very potent method of encouraging change.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Funny it's the American people who buy stuff from those corporatists and put those corporatists in business the first place.

And yeah, every country is selfish, and at least China hasn't invade any country for selfish reasons - yet.

Tibet disagrees.

 

[sunzt]

You guys are all missing the obvious reason.

In the USA, big business and wall street control the country. That's why people view protectionism as bad because it's "anti-capitalistic" and all that BS. Fhre Mahckett 4 3vAr! etc, etc...

In the PRC, the party controls the country. In order to remain in control it must provide jobs, energy, and food to its people. In order to effectively provide jobs and energy, it must control the economy and direction of future development...

That is biggest difference.

 

[gingermeggs]

You guys are all missing the obvious reason.

In the USA, big business and wall street control the country. That's why people view protectionism as bad because it's "anti-capitalistic" and all that BS. Fhre Mahckett 4 3vAr! etc, etc...

In the PRC, the party controls the country. In order to remain in control it must provide jobs, energy, and food to its people. In order to effectively provide jobs and energy, it must control the economy and direction of future development...

That is biggest difference.

You didn't my post....yes it's that simple!

 

[Svnla]

Funny it's the American people who buy stuff from those corporatists and put those corporatists in business the first place.

And yeah, every country is selfish, and at least China hasn't invade any country for selfish reasons - yet.

Are you serious? Hasn't invade any country?

Let see. Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia were invaded by China from the 50s. Vietnam was invaded by China and under China rule for almost 1000 years and was attacked by China in 1979. Korea was invaded by China too.

China is claiming the whole South of China Sea as its own (no country on Earth is that stupid) and invaded islands of Vietnam and Phillipines.

Please stop reading People Daily and Xinhua.

 

[rchiu]

Are you serious? Hasn't invade any country?

Let see. Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia were invaded by China from the 50s. Vietnam was invaded by China and under China rule for almost 1000 years and was attacked by China in 1979. Korea was invaded by China too.

China is claiming the whole South of China Sea as its own (no country on Earth is that stupid) and invaded islands of Vietnam and Phillipines.

Please stop reading People Daily and Xinhua.

Yeah sure, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, all countries.....

Dude, better check your facts. Those territories were under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty, and got transferred over after the KMT rules and then the communist. What's happening is at best classified as internal conflicts.

China Vietnam war is just a brief conflict as a result of political dispute, and invasion of Korea? haha you gotta be joking right? I mean you are talking about the Korean war? How the hell do you classify that as Chinese invasion? And The China sea thing? That's a dispute for a few un-populated islands (if you call a few rocks island).

Chinese international activities and interfering of other country's politics is anemic compared to the US. There is no if and but about it, that's a simple fact. Let's not talk about Iraq war, let's just talk about political interference. I don't have the time and the patience to list all the governments US tried to overthrown, but I am sure you can google that yourself and you will find a long list in the past 30 years. (hint, try Central/South America)

 

[Svnla]

Yeah sure, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, all countries.....

Dude, better check your facts. Those territories were under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty, and got transferred over after the KMT rules and then the communist. What's happening is at best classified as internal conflicts.

China Vietnam war is just a brief conflict as a result of political dispute, and invasion of Korea? haha you gotta be joking right? I mean you are talking about the Korean war? How the hell do you classify that as Chinese invasion? And The China sea thing? That's a dispute for a few un-populated islands (if you call a few rocks island).

Chinese international activities and interfering of other country's politics is anemic compared to the US. There is no if and but about it, that's a simple fact. Let's not talk about Iraq war, let's just talk about political interference. I don't have the time and the patience to list all the governments US tried to overthrown, but I am sure you can google that yourself and you will find a long list in the past 30 years. (hint, try Central/South America)

Dude, look like you are the one that needs to check your facts.

Internal conflicts? By your logic, China was under Japan, Britain, Manchu, Mongolia, etc rule for years so those countries can invade and retake China as their own land? Right? US was under Britain rule once, so it is ok for Britain to invade and take it back, right? How about Iran (Persian Empire)? How about Italy (Rome Empire)? Let them invade and reclaim their former land, right?

China invaded and enslaved Vietnam for almost 1,000 years and you called that as brieft conflict? Do they teach you anything about history? How about you google "history of Vietnam" before you insert foot into your own mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

About Korea, google "history of Korea" and see for yourself how China tried to invade Korea looooooong before the Korea war in 50's.

China attacked Vietnam in 1974 at Paracel Islands and 1988 at Spratley Islands and murdered Vietnamese sailors. China attacked Phillipines and took Johnson Reef from Phillipines without any causes or provocations. China military ships captured, beat up and stole fishes from poor and unarmed fishermen and then demanded ransome money. China ships harrash other nations ships and cut their survey cables well within their own EEZ. China declared the whole sea as its own based on some faked/made up maps. Do you want me to go on?

Did you see in my previous post say anything about the US was a perfect model? None. Your post was about China did not attack anyone. I said otherwise and have links/sources to back me up. Can you read?

 

[rchiu]

Dude, look like you are the one that needs to check your facts.

Internal conflicts? By your logic, China was under Japan, Britain, Manchu, Mongolia, etc rule for years so those countries can invade and retake China as their own land? Right? US was under Britain rule once, so it is ok for Britain to invade and take it back, right? How about Iran (Persian Empire)? How about Italy (Rome Empire)? Let them invade and reclaim their former land, right?

China invaded and enslaved Vietnam for almost 1,000 years and you called that as brieft conflict? Do they teach you anything about history? How about you google "history of Vietnam" before you insert foot into your own mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

About Korea, google "history of Korea" and see for yourself how China tried to invade Korea looooooong before the Korea war in 50's.

China attacked Vietnam in 1974 at Paracel Islands and 1988 at Spratley Islands and murdered Vietnamese sailors. China attacked Phillipines and took Johnson Reef from Phillipines without any causes or provocations. China military ships captured, beat up and stole fishes from poor and unarmed fishermen and then demanded ransome money. China ships harrash other nations ships and cut their survey cables well within their own EEZ. China declared the whole sea as its own based on some faked/made up maps. Do you want me to go on?

Did you see in my previous post say anything about the US was a perfect model? None. Your post was about China did not attack anyone. I said otherwise and have links/sources to back me up. Can you read?

Show me anytime since Qing Dynasty where Tibet, Xinjiang and Mongolia became a recognized country by international community and I will go back and check my facts. Well can you? It's not about "retaking", there has never been declaration of independence for those territories to become a country. Unlike the example you talked about, US, China all independent "country" since the occupation.

And is it because you know it's tough to match recent America's policies to interfere with other countries that you have to bring the past few thousand years of Chinese history to try and match that? Really, what's your point of bringing thousands years of history when we are talking about recent time?

And sure, if you want to compare incident with one boat here and there to the invasion of entire country, well go right ahead. I mean really, as long as we wanna be patriotic and paint a bad picture of big bad Chinese wolf, logic does not apply here.

Oh by the way, my exact phrase was China has not invaded any country. So show me where China invaded any country in recent history. Oh and I mean recent history so don't bring Genghis khan in this.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Definitely less so than just general demonstrations but you still see pockets of them. I'm not saying things are perfect but merely that things are getting better and "a better distribution of wealth[/b] is a very potent method of encouraging change.

"A better distribution of wealth"


What do you mean by this?

Under Maoist/Communist economic policies wealth generation was stifled and kept from occurring beyond the limited measure allowed by the Communist party for individuals in China and this inevitably led to a very low standard of living for the majority of people who were not high up ChiCom party members.

It was only when they (the upper ChiCom party) ditched these policies in favor of more capitalist leaning policies and ideals that the current state of economic affairs began to change for the average indivdual and the standard of living increased.