Why is an "Assault Weapons" Ban even on the table?

[xj0hnx]

Hey John, you need to tell your peeps they gots crappy guns ...

 

[xj0hnx]

I guess the IDF are as stupid as Americans huh? Oh wait no, it's JoS that's retarded fool.

 

[Jaepheth]

Common or not what is the point of an AR-15? Really. I dont hate on guns but what is the need of a military grade gun for non-military use? Other than the fact the "constitution" says we can?

Common or not what is the point of a sports car? Really. I dont hate on cars but what is the need of a racing grade car for non-speeding use? Other than the fact the "Top Gear guys" say we can?

 

[TallBill]

WOW, you can't even get this, these are people who follow me through my posts, not threads i post, they find me and start their bullsheit about posts that i previously made that i have qualified OVER A YEAR AGO and expected to end then.

DO you claim that i do the same towards you? Or have i much like anyone only actually been in SOME threads created BY YOU, you retarded little troll?

Well there you go, and now shut the fuck up.

Get the fuck out of here. You're a troll and a liar. You should be imprisoned for impersonating war heroes. Congratulations on completely ruining a thread.

 

[Olikan]

Get the fuck out of here. You're a troll and a liar. You should be imprisoned for impersonating war heroes. Congratulations on completely ruining a thread.

why can't i be a engineer hero? nothing has fallen....yet, and i am following orderes

i don't get this militar proudness, it's just a job... that no one really want's to do

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Why do we keep making ridiculous comparisons like these? Until people are using swimming pools as murder weapons it's not going to be heavily regulated.

Radiation poisoning deaths are not common, yet we make sure there are tons of safety nets in place and regulations so you don't walk into glowing uranium rod.

So the govt only regulates things that can be used as weapons. Gotcha.

Do yourself a favor and stay out of gun threads. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[DrPizza]

Clearly having 100x the amount of homicides per capita due to gun violence isn't enough?

Accidents will happen, indeed, homicides are NOT accidents.

Do you believe, honestly, that the extreme amount of homicides per year in the US due to gun violence has nothing to do with the legal availability of guns?

Look, you know i think you're a good guy and an intelligent man but the excuse for intentional homicide due to the availability of guns is NOT diminished by the drowning accidents.

Since i know you're an intelligent man, i know you already know that which makes me question your approach.

You should tell me to piss off because i'm not a yank. That would help your case just as much.

Apparently, you're leaving out words from what I stated, and imagining a point of view of mine that isn't true. Certainly, something's wrong with the level of violence in our country. I don't think it's fair to distinguish the difference among any forms of lethal weapons though, especially the difference between "assault weapons" and other guns.

Since you believe that I meant we should do nothing about violence, you missed the point altogether. The focus on assault weapons is meaningless. They're an insignificant blip in the number of homicides in this country.

If we value life, then the focus should be on saving lives, not stopping something that we have an incredible lack of control over. A murder is a tragedy. A 2 year old drowning in a 12" deep inflatable pool in the background is no less a tragedy for those involved. With such an enormous focus on "assault weapons", we're psychologically creating the illusion that the problem of assault weapons, and the problem of school shootings is much more frequent than it really is. (And diminishing the consideration of risks that are currently present.) People are becoming vigilant about the wrong things.

So, we want to hire armed guards for schools. We want to put in metal detectors. And so on. First, Columbine had an armed resource officer. He was in his car, eating lunch, watching an area where the kids go to smoke. He was fired upon within 5 minutes of the shooting starting at the school & was completely ineffective in stopping anything from happening. If you look at the amount of preparation that Klebold & Harris did (distractionary timed bombs off campus), I don't think it's outside the realm of reality that they accounted for his lunch time. Connecticut: locked doors. These things did nothing to prevent tragedies. Meanwhile, all the deaths from school shootings combined since Columbine still don't add up to the number of people struck annually by lightning. How many schools have lightning detectors for their sporting events to detect lightning in the area? An under $200 device that could be more effective at preventing deaths than anything suggested after this event by people using emotion vs. statistical reasoning.

 

[cwjerome]

i don't get this militar proudness, it's just a job... that no one really want's to do

You wouldn't understand.

 

[Olikan]

You wouldn't understand.

oh, no, please....
i beg you to explain why i should call a guy a hero, for doing its job

 

[BoberFett]

So, we want to hire armed guards for schools. We want to put in metal detectors. And so on. First, Columbine had an armed resource officer. He was in his car, eating lunch, watching an area where the kids go to smoke. He was fired upon within 5 minutes of the shooting starting at the school & was completely ineffective in stopping anything from happening. If you look at the amount of preparation that Klebold & Harris did (distractionary timed bombs off campus), I don't think it's outside the realm of reality that they accounted for his lunch time. Connecticut: locked doors. These things did nothing to prevent tragedies. Meanwhile, all the deaths from school shootings combined since Columbine still don't add up to the number of people struck annually by lightning. How many schools have lightning detectors for their sporting events to detect lightning in the area? An under $200 device that could be more effective at preventing deaths than anything suggested after this event by people using emotion vs. statistical reasoning.

Everything about this discussion is emotional. So many people fail to look at things rationally as you've done. The odds of being blown up on a plane by a terrorist is incredibly small but we Americans choose to spend tens of billions of dollars a year to be groped by a minimum wage employee. Americans are simply bad at math and logic.

 

[davmat787]

Everything about this discussion is emotional. So many people fail to look at things rationally as you've done. The odds of being blown up on a plane by a terrorist is incredibly small but we Americans choose to spend tens of billions of dollars a year to be groped by a minimum wage employee. Americans are simply bad at math and logic.

It is odd how many people who are so proud of their logic, rationality, and ability to parse data utterly succumb to emotion on this issue. Or perhaps they are merely using this tragedy as a tool for political purposes or personal belief on gun ownership.

Or have bought into the fear driven news stories.

I do realize it is normal for us humans to demand a fix when a tragedy occurs, but using emotion and letting fear take over only leads to things like the TSA or the Patriot Act as you pointed out.

 

[Veliko]

If you have to ask the question, it means you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the answer.

 

[schneiderguy]

Common or not what is the point of a sports car? Really. I dont hate on cars but what is the need of a racing grade car for non-speeding use? Other than the fact the "Top Gear guys" say we can?

We could prevent 99% of automotive deaths if we limited all cars to a top speed of 10mph :hmm:

Ban assault cars!

 

[bignateyk]

Common or not what is the point of an AR-15? Really. I dont hate on guns but what is the need of a military grade gun for non-military use? Other than the fact the "constitution" says we can?

Except it's not a military grade gun. Aside from the appearance it isn't any different than any other semi-auto rifle on the market in terms of capability.

 

[davmat787]

Except it's not a military grade gun. Aside from the appearance it isn't any different than any other semi-auto rifle on the market in terms of capability.

Yep. I am not aware of any military using the AR-15 as their "assault weapon", or as any weapon. They will using something whose model starts with an M most likely, or one from another country all together. The AR-15 is closer to a Ruger Mini14 than any true military grade assault weapon.

But OMG they are black and scary looking and stuff!!

 

[sm625]

Those who are asking why someone should be allowed to have a rifle like an AR-15 are missing the point entirely.

No they're not. The point is that every time there is a gun crime anywhere on any corner of the planet, you have to have an army of mindless idiot drones swarm in from out of nowhere to attack and destroy the constitution and give the big corrupt villainous government more and more power. That's what its all about. Millions of americans are completely brainwashed by the corporate media control system, from birth to death, to believe and love and worship the STate, and they will do so regardless of any facts you present. They are religious zealots begging for a war. I just wish they would go and read some history. But of course if they were capable of reading something other than nanny state propaganda, they probably wouldnt have such a radical gun grabbing worldview anyway.

 

[TallBill]

Yep. I am not aware of any military using the AR-15 as their "assault weapon", or as any weapon. They will using something whose model starts with an M most likely, or one from another country all together. The AR-15 is closer to a Ruger Mini14 than any true military grade assault weapon.

But OMG they are black and scary looking and stuff!!

Eh, pretty much everyone in the military that has an m4 or m16 uses single shots firing semi-auto. Semi-auto fire is more effective in most situations, and if you look at it like that my ar15 is pretty much identical to my m4 that I use to carry. Three round burst is a great way to run out of ammo real quick.

 

[davmat787]

Eh, pretty much everyone in the military that has an m4 or m16 uses single shots firing semi-auto. Semi-auto fire is more effective in most situations, and if you look at it like that my ar15 is pretty much identical to my m4 that I use to carry. Three round burst is a great way to run out of ammo real quick.

Oh I know, but I think the point stands even if it was admittedly splitting hairs. The only full auto are the fire teams or squads designated SAW IIRC. A long way from Vietnam, where something like 50,000+ rounds were fired for each enemy kill and most grunts had full auto M-16's. I think there are studies that show putting a full auto weapon actually decreases marksmanship and discipline, not to mention what it does to your ammo supply.

 

[TallBill]

Just trying to keep everything factual. Trying to explain to the public why automatic weapons are fine would be even more difficult, I'll chalk those up to a loss. Taking my AR15 to the range today

 

[olds]

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/AssociationP

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf

 

[OverVolt]

Common or not what is the point of an AR-15? Really. I dont hate on guns but what is the need of a military grade gun for non-military use? Other than the fact the "constitution" says we can?

Explain a "military grade gun" because they're all basically the same to me.

What is the point of more than 100hp in a car?

The point is regulating peoples everyday lives to a ridiculous extent infringes on freedom.

You can merge on the highway with 100hp just fine. The Toyota Yaris can do it. Take Yer HP's you don't need em anyway. 100HP for all.

What use could anyone possibly have for more than 100HP than to speed? Everyone knows speeding is bad and ure bad if you have more than 100HP.

Its just a matter of time until some crazed speeder causes untold damage to society if cars are allowed to have more than 100HP. Cars that do not have over 100HP do not ever crash. This is fact.

 

[olds]

Common or not what is the point of an AR-15? Really. I dont hate on guns but what is the need of a military grade gun for non-military use? Other than the fact the "constitution" says we can?

Substitute any other right guaranteed to us and see if you still fell that way.

 

[xj0hnx]

Except it's not a military grade gun. Aside from the appearance it isn't any different than any other semi-auto rifle on the market in terms of capability.

Yep. I am not aware of any military using the AR-15 as their "assault weapon", or as any weapon. They will using something whose model starts with an M most likely, or one from another country all together. The AR-15 is closer to a Ruger Mini14 than any true military grade assault weapon.

But OMG they are black and scary looking and stuff!!

"Military grade"? What does that even mean? Most civilian AR's are indeed "military grade", same quality, hell, many of them are better. Aside from the burst function, they are identical.

 

[cwjerome]

oh, no, please....
i beg you to explain why i should call a guy a hero, for doing its job

I don't care who you call a hero or not, I'm saying you wouldn't understand why some might call a person in the military a hero.

Personally, I would call nearly anyone who does a responsible, honest days work an everyday hero... plumber, teacher, engineer, doctor, whatever, although on a scale I would tend to put those people who have to endure more hardship and suffer greater risk -like a military person might- as more heroic than some. That's just me, I doubt from the gist of your posts can understand that.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Yep. I am not aware of any military using the AR-15 as their "assault weapon", or as any weapon. They will using something whose model starts with an M most likely, or one from another country all together. The AR-15 is closer to a Ruger Mini14 than any true military grade assault weapon.

But OMG they are black and scary looking and stuff!!

Take a daniel defense V4, add select fire mode. Welcome to the M4. Adding select fire means a new lower milled for the auto fire, but still...most of the DD AR15s you buy are milspec.