They will be launched along the Zen 3 Ryzen chips, just like the Zen+ Ryzen APUs were launched along the Zen 2 Ryzen chips last summer. For these APUs the mobile market is higher margin than the desktop market where the APUs are essentially sold at the same price as comparable iGPU less Ryzen CPUs, even though the latter's manufacturing cost is significantly lower (due to smaller dies). To make up for that the APUs are launched much later in the desktop market.Why hasn't AMD announced desktop Renoir APUs?
AMD could simple release the same Renoir mobile processors on the desktop.
For example:
Ryzen 5 4600H --> Ryzen 5 3600G
Ryzen 7 4800H --> Ryzen 7 3700G/3800G
They will be launched along the Zen 3 Ryzen chips, just like the Zen+ Ryzen APUs were launched along the Zen 2 Ryzen chips last summer. For these APUs the mobile market is higher margin than the desktop market where the APUs are essentially sold at the same price as comparable iGPU less Ryzen CPUs, even though the latter's manufacturing cost is significantly lower (due to smaller dies). To make up for that the APUs are launched much later in the desktop market.
I'd love to have a Zen 2 APU for a DeskMini A300 as well, alas we have to wait.
What got Navi 14's die size to do with anything on this topic?Renoir's die is around the same size as Navi 14's die.
Yeah think of it this was a 4800U could sell as high as $500 and be competitive with Intel pricing for the perf. A 4800G at best can only sell for $300. The disparity gets worse down the stack.
Did you just link me a 4c 8t CPU and say they matched up?Doubtful.
AMD compares Ryzen 7 4800U to the Core i7-1065G7.
Core i7-1065G7 has an RCP of $426.
I doubt AMD would ask more than that for Ryzen 7 4800U.
Expect them when the Zen 3/Ryzen 4000 desktop SKU's launch I reckon.Why hasn't AMD announced desktop Renoir APUs?
AMD could simple release the same Renoir mobile processors on the desktop.
For example:
Ryzen 5 4600H --> Ryzen 5 3600G
Ryzen 7 4800H --> Ryzen 7 3700G/3800G
Did you just link me a 4c 8t CPU and say they matched up?
Doubtful?You should re-read what I wrote.
Specifically, the first sentence.
Renoir's die is around the same size as Navi 14's die.
AMD has been trying to push desktop APUs for ages and those things have never proven popular with customers. Why bother with a large-ish monolithic chip which will effectively be wasted on a seldom used iGPU when a chiplet-based Zen 2 sans GPU can command similar/higher prices on less cost?
Does this APU launch tell us anything about the coming consoles? Surely they will resemble this somewhat, but with a different memory controller and a lot more die size for the GPU portion?
I agree with other assertions that any kind of laptop options that have parity with Intel is likely what OEM's have been asking for, so it makes a lot of sense to give them what they want.
That's a good question. My guess personally would be that the console Chips will be closer to Matassie then Renoir. There would be little room for error with the dies. Using CCD and dGPU dies with a custom IO die would mitigate or erase any yield risks.Does this APU launch tell us anything about the coming consoles? Surely they will resemble this somewhat, but with a different memory controller and a lot more die size for the GPU portion?
I agree with other assertions that any kind of laptop options that have parity with Intel is likely what OEM's have been asking for, so it makes a lot of sense to give them what they want.
Yeah but that work is already done on laptops as well. We are seeing them because AMD has been sampling and seeding these chips for months already. You don't announce the desktop chips now because you aren't doing the launch in the same window.Desktop Renoir could be announced at March and still arrive at the same time as mobile Renoir.
That's because with Desktop chips you can buy the chip and build the system based on it the day of the launch.
Laptops require customization by the manufacturer so it takes a few months. The availability dates for the Ryzen mobile 4000 laptops range between March to May.
Yeah but that work is already done on laptops as well. We are seeing them because AMD has been sampling and seeding these chips for months already. You don't announce the desktop chips now because you aren't doing the launch in the same window.
Indeed. And even the Zen cluster may have customization for better backward compatibility with the Puma cluster (which again may have included some customization) from the previous gen.The consoles use Navi, not Vega, as well as different memory controllers, probably a bunch of custom hardware (like Microsoft's custom audio DSP from the XB1), raytracing hardware, etc. Only the CPU cluster is really the same.
Zephyrus lands in February, 12 Renoir laptops are landing by the end of March - no timeframe given but Q1. The other 88+ are over the rest of 2020.Desktop Renoir could be announced at March and still arrive at the same time as mobile Renoir.