Why does ATI's Flagship always compete with Nvidias 2nd Tier Card?

[Borealis7]

the 7970/GE are too power hungry for my taste. i'd go with a 670, 50$ cheaper and a lot less power hungry.

what sucks is that where i live the 670 costs 500$ and the 7870 costs 400$, so i'm sticking with my trusty 5850 until the 670 hits the second hand market.

 

[flopper]

the 7970/GE are too power hungry for my taste. i'd go with a 670, 50$ cheaper and a lot less power hungry.

what sucks is that where i live the 670 costs 500$ and the 7870 costs 400$, so i'm sticking with my trusty 5850 until the 670 hits the second hand market.

Not sure how people reason but idle there is a 7900 series good, gaming which seldom draw that much power due to most game at 1920x1080 and dont oc, and that is an activity people dont do all day. (if they do, get a life)
I got a 7970, oc to 1200mhz when gaming, idle its silent and fine for power.
I guess my plasma TV actually draws more power than my rig.

ah well got my card for 330euro and couldnt be happier about it.

 

[Lepton87]

for the .16% that use that resolution....yup...almost 1/5 of 1%....

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

And how many people buy 500$ cards? The percentages match really well.
Add 2560x1440 users to that, results will look very similar.

 

[Makaveli]

for the .16% that use that resolution....yup...almost 1/5 of 1%....

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

A steam survey doesn't represents all gamers not everyone has steam installed.

I hate when those results are used to make a point.

 

[Beavermatic]

I'm sorry...

I'm running GTX680's in SLI, and yet I still agree ATI gives Nvidia a run for the money.

I see 7970's pretty damn close to a 680 as far as peformance goes, and better in certain areas. especially for the price

I've never used ATI. I haven't owned anything AMD since the AMD64 processor some years ago.

But they sure do compete with nvidia... in some cases faster, for a more friendly price.

 

[ocre]

If someone said to me "you can pick a GTX670 or a 7970 for free" I would go with a 7970 unless the GTX670 was a really good 3rd party board/cooler and the 7970 was a crappy one.

I too would take a 7970 over a 670, if free. I would probably take it over a 680 for that matter, with OC in mind.

Another vote for the 7970GE.

uhm? considering your current hardware.......i bet yous would. I mean if you would choose to spend money on AMD cards over nvidia alternatives it is not surprising that you would take them for free over nvidia alternatives. I mean you know in the free world of fantasy where stuff like this happens.

if i had a pick or say in this free world you guys are dreaming in, i would pick: just give me the cash instead of either card.....The cash so i can put it back till something exciting comes along. all of these 28nm cards so far have been underwhelming. Especially as far as performance goes.

The 690 is the only card thats performance is awe inspiring to me. But it is priced way out there. I cant seem to get excited over it because of the tag. I can wait. I believe this next gen will be a lot more appealing than this one. Especially to people who just bought cards in 2011. for 2012, the 28nm cards just arent appealing over last gen 2011 line ups. They just arent a big enough step. For the pricing, 28nm just doesnt offer much incentive to upgrade at all if you already have a dx11 gpu.

 

[GaiaHunter]

uhm? considering your current hardware.......i bet yous would. I mean if you would choose to spend money on AMD cards over nvidia alternatives it is not surprising that you would take them for free over nvidia alternatives. I mean you know in the free world of fantasy where stuff like this happens.

if i had a pick or say in this free world you guys are dreaming in, i would pick: just give me the cash instead of either card.....The cash so i can put it back till something exciting comes along. all of these 28nm cards so far have been underwhelming. Especially as far as performance goes.

The 690 is the only card thats performance is awe inspiring to me. But it is priced way out there. I cant seem to get excited over it because of the tag. I can wait. I believe this next gen will be a lot more appealing than this one. Especially to people who just bought cards in 2011. for 2012, the 28nm cards just arent appealing over last gen 2011 line ups. They just arent a big enough step. For the pricing, 28nm just doesnt offer much incentive to upgrade at all if you already have a dx11 gpu.

If you prefer:

At the same price I would pick a 7970 over a GTX 670.

So I was just removing bang per buck out of the equation since it can change at any time.

At current prices I wouldn't buy any either, if I was I would buy the GTX670 since it is the best bang/buck out of the GTX670/680 7970 unless if I was going triple monitor crazy high resolutions.

See, the answer changes according to the circumstances.

So with this I was just pointing out that the GTX670 isn't exactly at the same performance level of the 7970. On the other hand if we say GTX670=7970 performance one can also say 7970=GTX680 since the differences are similar.

 

[f1sherman]

A steam survey doesn't represents all gamers not everyone has steam installed.

I hate when those results are used to make a point.

That is correct. Gamers, or maybe "gamers", with no steam account are not represented at all.

It even says Steam Hardware Survey

As to OP... ATI has been using small die strategy from HD3000, so there you go.
Right now they have the fastest single GPU, but I doubt they are jumping up and down with joy.

 

[lehtv]

ATI...? Welcome to 2012, it's known as AMD now. ATI died in 2010.

 

[Makaveli]

ATI...? Welcome to 2012, it's known as AMD now. ATI died in 2010.

I still call it ATI and don't plan to stop anytime soon!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I still call it ATI and don't plan to stop anytime soon!

Rebel with a cause!

 

[Haserath]

A steam survey doesn't represents all gamers not everyone has steam installed.

I hate when those results are used to make a point.

Show me a survey that has ever incorporated everybody when there are millions of people to be surveyed.

It doesn't represent every gamer, but since we can assume steam gamers are like every other gamer and we have a significant audience to survey, the percentages should be useful.

 

[ocre]

Show me a survey that has ever incorporated everybody when there are millions of people to be surveyed.

It doesn't represent every gamer, but since we can assume steam gamers are like every other gamer and we have a significant audience to survey, the percentages should be useful.

seriously. do people really not know this? Its how we do things in the modern world.

 

[railven]

Last time I checked AMD's Flagship card (single GPU) beat nVidia's Flaship card (single GPU) by a margin of a hair.

What is this thread even about?

 

[pcm81]

Last time I checked AMD's Flagship card (single GPU) beat nVidia's Flaship card (single GPU) by a margin of a hair.

What is this thread even about?

+1

 

[3DVagabond]

Last time I checked AMD's Flagship card (single GPU) beat nVidia's Flaship card (single GPU) by a margin of a hair.

What is this thread even about?

It's because comparing the 670 to the 7970 is better bang/$ for the 670. If they were to compare the 680 to the 7970 the 7970 would win that Bang/$ comparison. That wouldn't push the proper agenda, now would it.

 

[SirPauly]

What view I do remember is the value of the GTX 670 may make the GTX 680 kind of irrelevant based on how close they perform from each other to some.

The strong competition and choice creates more value -- without strong competition from nVidia -- gamers probably would still see vanilla HD 7970's going for 549 and HD 7950's going for 449.

 

[Makaveli]

Show me a survey that has ever incorporated everybody when there are millions of people to be surveyed.

It doesn't represent every gamer, but since we can assume steam gamers are like every other gamer and we have a significant audience to survey, the percentages should be useful.

Obviously that would be almost impossible with the amount of computer users on the planet

But I think that disclaimer needs to be added anytime steam results are used i'm not saying they are invalid.

 

[Shmee]

TBH, I wouldnt mind having GTX 680 SLI, but the problem is 7970/7950 CF would give me better OCing capabilities, cost less, and the 680 reference has no voltage control last I heard. This is a big issue for me.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

TBH, I wouldnt mind having GTX 680 SLI, but the problem is 7970/7950 CF would give me better OCing capabilities, cost less, and the 680 reference has no voltage control last I heard. This is a big issue for me.

I agree I like the OC'ing of AMD's cards, but their CF support last I read was pretty terrible.

[H] Reported flat out that the experience with 680 SLI and TRI SLI was far superior to AMD's solutions with 7970s and even with the AMD cards pulled higher FPS the Nvidia setup felt smoother.


Edit: Not that 680s are bad clockers, they just aren't fun it seems and are limited by their bus for the most part. The biggest difference between the two once overclocked isn't actually performance, which is still pretty close, it's the power consumption of the 7970s skyrocketing and of course noise being quite a bit higher as well (which isn't a big concern for me since I'd put 7970s on water, while 680s gain almost nothing from it).

 

[shortylickens]

I dont really need to get 65 FPS when I'm getting 60 FPS, however I have found ATI to be consistently more compatible with previous gen titles than Nvidia.

For reference I have had plenty of each card.