Why do you own/want a gun?

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I read it but I don't think you did. Here is a link to the text of the case of U.S. v. Miller give it a read.....if your ADD doesn't act up and you can pay attention that long.

Here is a quote from your own link... from guncite.com

"AND THEREFORE
CAN NOT SAY THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT GUARANTEES TO THE CITIZEN THE
RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR SUCH A WEAPON. "

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I read it but I don't think you did. Here is a link to the text of the case of U.S. v. Miller give it a read.....if your ADD doesn't act up and you can pay attention that long.

Here is a quote from your own link...

"AND THEREFORE
CAN NOT SAY THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT GUARANTEES TO THE CITIZEN THE
RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR SUCH A WEAPON. "

Wow he likes quoting out of context too! All this says is they found that banning a sawed off shotgun, which the court has deemed unnecessary to upholding firearm ownership and maintaining a militia, does not violate second ammendment rights.

EDIT:
And since you will likely respond saying that the court only acknowledge militia and not private ownership in that ruling, let me define militia for you:

mi·li·tia Pronunciation Key (m-lsh)
n.
An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

From your previous posts, you have merely referred to militia as the second definition. A militia/army of ordinary citizens does not have to be government reglated or sponsored to be considered a militia. Also, the third definition pretty much incorporates everyone (if you don't get too technical) as eligible for second amendment rights. Regardless of technicalities, between definition 1 & 2 alone everyone is covered -- even if those are the definitions you conveniently decided to ignore.

 

[MojoJojo]

From the 'Homer gets a gun' episode:

Krusty:

Hey, yutz! Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MojoJojo
From the 'Homer gets a gun' episode:

Krusty:

Hey, yutz! Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face.

 

[shiner]

Wow he likes quoting out of context too! All this says is they found that banning a sawed off shotgun, which the court has deemed unnecessary to upholding firearm ownership and maintaining a militia, does not violate second ammendment rights.

You just can't win with idiots like marlin. They have been fed anti-gun propaganda their entire lives and rather than do some reading about the intent of the Founding Fathers, and actually forming an opinion on their own they would rather just spout off about it, mis quote things, and just generally be group think pains in the ass. One day they might wake up before it's too late. I doubt it though unless the FBI finally breaks down their doors and arrests them for buying Log Cabin Syrup instead of Mrs. Butterworth's.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

OMG NOOOOOO you mean a sawed-off doesn't have a place in a well-trained militia? What's next, are they going to demilitarize potato guns? They're SOOOO useful in ranged combat!</sarcasm>

Sheesh. I remember discussing hunting firearms with a friend in class - specifically his 12-gauge - and some gun grabber (translation - 98% of the Canadian population) bitched about how we're going to go up a clock tower with it. Right, because a 12-gauge would be so accurate from up there.

- M4H

 

[RaySun2Be]

Why do you own/want a gun?

I have a 22 single shot western style rifle that I was given as a Christmas present when I was in my early teens. My brother and I used to go rabbit, squirrel, and deer hunting with my dad. We ate what we shot. I also used to go hunting with some friends and just plain old target shooting. We found it fun. I am not a member of the NRA, although I am in favor of citizens owning guns.

We were also taught proper handling and respect of guns. Most who have gone hunting and killed prey understands that a gun isn't a toy, but a tool, a deadly tool, and as such, requires proper handling.

Target shooting, skeet shooting, hunting are considered sports by some, and are as enjoyable to those participating as going to a football game. Some get involved as part of history re-enactments with muskets and front loaders.

There is at least one Olympic even that involves target shooting.

Cars maim and kill every day. a LOT more than guns. Cars are involved in all kinds of illegal activities. And they are registered. Should we get rid of cars? And when a crook wants to rob a bank, do they use their own car? Most times no, they go steal one. Same way with crooks and guns. The smart ones will go steal or purchase stolen ones, they aren't going to use a gun that can be traced back to them.

 

[edro]

There is just something about having that much power in your hands.... And also having the ability to hurl a hunk of metal at those speeds...

Here's a Full Auto AK

Here's a Full Auto M16

Here's a Full Auto Uzi

Here's a Semi Auto, Pre-Ban AK

Here's Colt AR-15 A2, Pre-Ban

Here's Me torchin a car. My dad can't take pictures worth a $#@*

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: shinerburke

The Constitution says courts define law.

So show me one case that has held up and says the 2nd protects a person rights to a gun.

Here you go Toolio......you might want to do a little reading...

Supreme Court Cases on the 2nd Amendment

As nice as gunsite.com is, none of those cases said a person as single has a rigth to a gun. Did you read the full cases or just grab a link to a Gun site

You twit. The individual right to own firearms is the current assumption, otherwise nobody would have one.

So it's not up to us to provide a case where firearm ownership is affirmed. It's up to you to provide a case where a judge ruled that firearm ownership was not protected by the constitution.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: edro13
There is just something about having that much power in your hands.... And also having the ability to hurl a hunk of metal at those speeds...

Here's a Full Auto AK

Here's a Full Auto M16

Here's a Full Auto Uzi

Here's a Semi Auto, Pre-Ban AK

Here's Colt AR-15 A2, Pre-Ban

Here's Me torchin a car. My dad can't take pictures worth a $#@*

Damn. All those sexy firearms are giving me a chubby. And the flamethrower in the last pic is sooooooo sweet.

Why does Canada have to be so lame?

- M4H

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I'm not really into that new fangled stuff like AR15s, etc. I collect stuff that is deemed "Curio & Relic" which is basically anything WWII and older. I like them as pieces of history. They were the means by which nations have been liberated and were what our fathers and grandfathers used. Many C&R rifles are gov. issue. In fact FedEx came by not more than an hour ago and dropped of a M1903A3. It's shipped exactly like it came from the armory and ready for issue to troops. Will take weeks to get the cosmoline out and get it to a collectable condition, but that's half the fun. I have my C&R FFL application out so should be being processed.

to what extent are guns legal in america. i mean, i know u can get rifles/shotguns and pistols quite easy, but what about automatics etc?

Well a quick run-down, this won't be perfect but close enough. Buying a standard rifle or pistol has to be done through someone with a Federal Firearms License (FFL). So at a gunshow when you buy something, or buy from a guy in another state, it has to be processed by an FFL. They fill out the paperwork and do the background check. Longarms you can walk out with if you pass the background check, pistols may take a few days.

On automatics, they are availible to civilians but most simply can't afford it. Just the parts that make up the automatic action are deemed a machinegun. So even if you don't own the rifle itself, just having the parts is considered owning a machinegun. All that sort of stuff is registered. Anything made after 1986 cannot be owned by civilians. If you find an auto you want (let's say a MAC10 since they're pretty common), you have to fill out what's called a Form 4. You fill it out and send it to the ATF. It take 4-6 months for the paperwork to be processed, and there is a $200 tax. The gun has to be processed by someone with a Class 3 FFL, usually only a few in each state. Class 3 just covers more stuff, where as a normal FFL just does pistols/longguns.

Same goes for silencers. Have to fill out the paperwork, wait several months, then pay a $200 tax. So if you buy that MAC10 and it has a silencer, you pay $400 in tax. Anytime it's sold or transfered it'll be taxed $400 again.

The other are is AOW, for all other weapons. This includes things like sawed off shotguns, pen pistols, etc. Anything that doesn't fall under autos and a few other things. Transfer tax is $5.

There is just something about having that much power in your hands.... And also having the ability to hurl a hunk of metal at those speeds...

Here's a Full Auto AK

Here's a Full Auto M16

Here's a Full Auto Uzi

Here's a Semi Auto, Pre-Ban AK

Here's Colt AR-15 A2, Pre-Ban

Here's Me torchin a car. My dad can't take pictures worth a $#@*

Knob Creek I assume. You going this year? Should be pretty soon IIRC.

 

[Moonbeam]

Happiness is a warm gun.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Same goes for silencers.

I think you mean suppressors.

 

[tcsenter]

Wow, tcsenter, I had no idea you had such a rich fantasy life too. I can imagine how excited you must be, but like a gay in a straight bar don't you feel a bit out of place here. I mean, you should join a fire extinguisher club, and learn proper handling technique. There are millions to choose from, are their not, the parallel between fire arms and fire extinguishers being so apt?

Hey, you're the last person who should be giving me tips on fire extinguisher selection and proper handling technique. I've taken several fire extinguisher training courses, I have all but one 8-hour extinguisher course to qualify for the instructor examination. I've even participated in a few sanctioned fire extinguisher competitions.

Although, I might need a few tips on selecting fire insurance, since I'm going to be deliberately setting my own home on fire and all, you know, because folks who take responsibility for their own safety and prefer to be prepared in the event of an emergency have that bravado need to feel important in a self-aggrandizing manner. I bet you could give me authoritative advice there?

 

[SHoddyCOmp]

I only have a Gamo .177 Pellet rifle. Ive got it because i like shooting crap in my backyard like catfood cans, soda bottles, and other things i try to break in half.....

 

[Moonbeam]

tcsenter Quote:

Although, I might need a few tips on selecting fire insurance, since I'm going to be deliberately setting my own home on fire and all, you know, because folks who take responsibility for their own safety and prefer to be prepared in the event of an emergency have that bravado need to feel important in a self-aggrandizing manner. I bet you could give me authoritative advice there?
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I certainly can. "To thine own self be true."

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: cremator
to kill people that knock on my door asking for money

 

[alkemyst]

When I play Quake in the mall with a cap gun people just laugh and pour their slushies on my head, but now with my automatic mossberg they treat me much differently it's just like the video game too!

Unfortunately I spend a lot of time having to change towns.

 

[jteef]

I have heard from an ATF friend who is big into guns and law enforcement that the most effective deterrance to a robbery or other home invasion is the sound of the action on a shotgun closing.

jt

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Same goes for silencers.

I think you mean suppressors.

Yeah, like I said, don't knock me for technicalities Was just trying to get the basics across.

Also forgot to mention. The only folks that can legally have post 86 autos are Class 2 and Class 3 folks. Class 2 is manufactuers (obvious why they get them) and Class 3...well I dunno. It's not like anyone can get a class 3. Even if you won the lottery and had tons of $$$ you aren't likely to be able to get a Class 3. Maybe there is a set number or something, I didn't really look into it.

 

[edro]

[[/quote]Knob Creek I assume. You going this year? Should be pretty soon IIRC.[/quote]

Ohhh.....you're good!

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: edro13
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Knob Creek I assume. You going this year? Should be pretty soon IIRC.[/quote]

Ohhh.....you're good! [/quote]

There is another AT member who went last year. Lives in AR. Can't remember his name Think it's MeanMosh or something like that (may not even be him, had very few posts). Do an archive search for knob, creek, gun, or shoot, should eventually come up.

I haven't been. KY is a little far off.

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Desslok
I just enjoying going to the range and popping off a 100 rounds or so. I have no illusions that I could use it to defend myself if someone broke into my house for a couple of reasons.

1.) The situation is to fluid.(ie I have roommates and they have GF's so I might accidently hit one of them)

2.) I would still probably be very much asleep.

I can't believe it, someone that owns a gun and is HONEST.

You are more likely to shoot someone you know or get shot by your own gun then you are to shot someone that is breaking in your house.

And for all the dumb rednecks here The 2nd amendment does NOT protect your right to own a gun Open your eyes and read some Supreme Court papers and old documents, and you will see the the 2nd amendment protects a state gov.'s right to keep a well armed milita, or as we call it now aday, a national guard.

Another MORON who knows ZERO about the subject!

There wasn't a militia for 99 years after the 2nd Amendment was written!

 

[waggy]

Well would I own a gun? Yeah I hunt deer (bow now but just got a FOID card so I can buy a gun) and after I take a gun class I will purchase one.

Would i get one to protect my family? No, the odds on actually doing some good are not good. Since it would be in a gun locker locked up. But my baseball bat is right next to my bed. With the amount of time i think i would have i think the bat would be much more useful.

My father collects guns as a hobby. He has some classic guns and rifles. Nothing like trying to shoot a black powder rifle and actually hit a target.

 

[0roo0roo]

i don't have a problem with guns really. i have a problem with gun freaks which think its great that you can just sell guns to anyone at a gun show or whatever. the gun lobby has made buying guns too easy for too long. thats our problem. they've screwed us for any decent regulation. its just a tool, but if you don't even try to keep it out of the wrong hands.....

maybe we should spend as much time getting rid of illegal guns as illegal drugs bah