Why do weak people always turn to God?

[JetsFanatic]

Originally posted by: Jero
Dude, your asking for a flame war here....

- Very religious catholic

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Long before man "learned to rely on himself" he looked to God for aid. I don't see where the modern self-reliant man is better off than his forebears.

Religion has not civilized man, man has civilized religion.
-Robert Green Ingersoll

You quoted an atheist. How provocative! LINK I could quote non-atheists and get opposite views. Your logic is circular and gets us nowhere.

 

[rasholianmon]

Originally posted by: JetsFanatic

Originally posted by: Jero
Dude, your asking for a flame war here....

- Very religious catholic

and this is why the Jets will never win another superbowl.

Jehovah doesn't recognize the pope, y'know...

and that hat he wears... it's pagan in origin... didn't know that, didja?

it's a tribal phallic symbol, to denote prominence.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: JetsFanatic

Originally posted by: Jero
Dude, your asking for a flame war here....

- Very religious catholic

and this is why the Jets will never win another superbowl.

Jehovah doesn't recognize the pope, y'know...

and that hat he wears... it's pagan in origin... didn't know that, didja?

it's a tribal phallic symbol, to denote prominence.

Are you one of those knit picking religious Zealots that believes Halloween is a Pagan holiday?

Ausm

 

[rasholianmon]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: JetsFanatic

Originally posted by: Jero
Dude, your asking for a flame war here....

- Very religious catholic

and this is why the Jets will never win another superbowl.

Jehovah doesn't recognize the pope, y'know...

and that hat he wears... it's pagan in origin... didn't know that, didja?

it's a tribal phallic symbol, to denote prominence.

Are you one of those knit picking religious Zealots that believes Halloween is a Pagan holiday?

Ausm

tell me that it's not...

let's look at the evidence.

- worship of faces carved in pumpkins in the form of ghosts, and goblins
- dispensation of treats in exchange or in place of tricks (magic)
- the veneration of the undead, ghosts, and goblins
- the use of masks and costumes is a tradition that originated for the purpose of protection not from the undead, but to identify with them
- the biblical Great Flood of Noah's day happened at that time of year (Nov. 1st), and all of the unbelievers (pagan and the like) were wiped out-- only Noah and his family, faithful to God's warnings, survived along with the animals in the ark. Halloween is actually in honor of those that died in the great flood, hoping that they come back from the dead on that eve. These people were destroyed for a reason in that flood, b/c they weren't obedient to God's law and didn't heed God's warning given through Noah...

you won't find that in your history syllabus-- but you can see that it's not a "holy day" in the least.

as for knit picking, I prefer "attentive to detail"
as for religious, I prefer to accompany that with spiritual, or devoted to following God
as for zealot, thanks a lot, I appreciate the thought. you can just call me ras...

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
tell me that it's not...

let's look at the evidence.

- worship of faces carved in pumpkins in the form of ghosts, and goblins
- dispensation of treats in exchange or in place of tricks (magic)
- the veneration of the undead, ghosts, and goblins
- the use of masks and costumes is a tradition that originated for the purpose of protection not from the undead, but to identify with them

I disagree with all of this. Who does that stuff? I've never worshipped a jackolantern nor have I venerated any such creature.

- the biblical Great Flood of Noah's day happened at that time of year (Nov. 1st), and all of the unbelievers (pagan and the like) were wiped out-- only Noah and his family, faithful to God's warnings, survived along with the animals in the ark. Halloween is actually in honor of those that died in the great flood, hoping that they come back from the dead on that eve.

you won't find that in your history syllabus-- but you can see that it's not a "holy day" in the least.

That's absurd, too.

 

[rasholianmon]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
tell me that it's not...

let's look at the evidence.

- worship of faces carved in pumpkins in the form of ghosts, and goblins
- dispensation of treats in exchange or in place of tricks (magic)
- the veneration of the undead, ghosts, and goblins
- the use of masks and costumes is a tradition that originated for the purpose of protection not from the undead, but to identify with them

I disagree with all of this. Who does that stuff? I've never worshipped a jackolantern nor have I venerated any such creature.

- the biblical Great Flood of Noah's day happened at that time of year (Nov. 1st), and all of the unbelievers (pagan and the like) were wiped out-- only Noah and his family, faithful to God's warnings, survived along with the animals in the ark. Halloween is actually in honor of those that died in the great flood, hoping that they come back from the dead on that eve.

you won't find that in your history syllabus-- but you can see that it's not a "holy day" in the least.

That's absurd, too.

you defend it, so yes, you do worship it....
have you ever researched the roots of Halloween? how about Christmas? New Year's? bet you haven't.

to call you sheep would be a compliment. you're more like a lemming.

 

[Megatomic]

Typical Witness. Even God is laughing at you all. :roll:

 

[rasholianmon]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Typical Witness. Even God is laughing at you all. :roll:

we'll see who has the last laugh come armageddon.

 

[MrChad]

Tell me rasholianmon, what would God think about comments like this?

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
that's not what your mom said last night when she was _______ my ________.....

(fill in blanks with insult of your choice)

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
little do we realize that your given name is actually Johnson Cumswallow...

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
so I'm thinking either:

1. he's a racist.
2. he's ghey.
3. he's a ghey racist.
or 4. he posts here at ATOT and wants to see if I do too....

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
go live in jersey. near the white peopler, wherever possible. probably hoboken.

save $$, don't get shot.

You might want to reevaluate your own behavior before you criticize others.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Typical Witness. Even God is laughing at you all. :roll:

we'll see who has the last laugh come armageddon.

Are you one of the original 144,000 or are you hoping they were wrong in the beginning? I find it humorous that your tenets change to meet your current situations. 😛

Just remember God's warning to false teachers.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Long before man "learned to rely on himself" he looked to God for aid. I don't see where the modern self-reliant man is better off than his forebears.

Religion has not civilized man, man has civilized religion.
-Robert Green Ingersoll

You quoted an atheist. How provocative! LINK I could quote non-atheists and get opposite views. Your logic is circular and gets us nowhere.

Well i guess it's because of your lack of education that you weren't able to properly understand that quote, so let me dumb it down a bit for you: Man has constantly redesigned God as they saw fit. The God you looked at for 'aid' isn't the same God your 'forebears' believed 1000 years ago... if they saw the God you believed in today, they would considered you heretics. How can God be omnipotent, if he's constantly changing according to people's whims?

And i find it sad that people attribute so much to God... it must be a bland life to live where you believe your abilities or lack of are the results of God, rather than self-proficiencies.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Hardcore
Well i guess it's because of your lack of education that you weren't able to properly understand that quote, so let me dumb it down a bit for you: Man has constantly redesigned God as they saw fit. The God you looked at for 'aid' isn't the same God your 'forebears' believed 1000 years ago... if they saw the God you believed in today, they would considered you heretics. How can God be omnipotent, if he's constantly changing according to people's whims?

And i find it sad that people attribute so much to God... it must be a bland life to live where you believe your abilities or lack of are the results of God, rather than self-proficiencies.

What do you know about me that you can comment on my "lack of education"? You are a presumptuous ass.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

all the more reason to rename P&N to P&R.

keep stupid discussions where it belongs

 

[rasholianmon]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Typical Witness. Even God is laughing at you all. :roll:

we'll see who has the last laugh come armageddon.

Are you one of the original 144,000 or are you hoping they were wrong in the beginning? I find it humorous that your tenets change to meet your current situations. 😛

Just remember God's warning to false teachers.

ok, you're not even making sense right now. it's ok, I understand that you're just trying to be obnoxious...

 

[Vic]

Why do trolls always post these hate threads? And get away with it? I guess it's because it's okay to hate on Christians and white people on ATOT, just not on anyone else.

:roll:

:|

If someone chooses to have faith, that is their right and choice. If someone chooses not to have faith, same thing, their right, their choice. Your opinions as to whether or not people should or should not have faith is petty, childish, pathetic, and unnecessary. Quit trying to tell people what they should or should not believe, and quit being such a bigot.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Typical Witness. Even God is laughing at you all. :roll:

we'll see who has the last laugh come armageddon.

Are you one of the original 144,000 or are you hoping they were wrong in the beginning? I find it humorous that your tenets change to meet your current situations. 😛

Just remember God's warning to false teachers.

ok, you're not even making sense right now. it's ok, I understand that you're just trying to be obnoxious...

You might as well stop, no one is taking you seriously. Your witness is bad, just look at your quotes MrChad posted.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Hardcore
Well i guess it's because of your lack of education that you weren't able to properly understand that quote, so let me dumb it down a bit for you: Man has constantly redesigned God as they saw fit. The God you looked at for 'aid' isn't the same God your 'forebears' believed 1000 years ago... if they saw the God you believed in today, they would considered you heretics. How can God be omnipotent, if he's constantly changing according to people's whims?

And i find it sad that people attribute so much to God... it must be a bland life to live where you believe your abilities or lack of are the results of God, rather than self-proficiencies.

This is probably the worst (and least educated) argument against theism I have ever read. God has never changed, only man's perception of Him, which is ever evolving.

 

[kogase]

If someone has faith, I will berate them for being ignorant. The reason? Their ignorance makes them a waste of a person, and therefore they shouldn't be wasting MY air. Dammit. Just like I berate someone who listens to bad music for having bad taste. I don't think you have a right to be an idiot. In my dictatorship (I'll be the dictator), ignorance is punishable, 100 LASHES! Bad taste is only 50 lashes. I'm being completely serious.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: rasholianmon

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: rasholianmon
tell me that it's not...

let's look at the evidence.

- worship of faces carved in pumpkins in the form of ghosts, and goblins
- dispensation of treats in exchange or in place of tricks (magic)
- the veneration of the undead, ghosts, and goblins
- the use of masks and costumes is a tradition that originated for the purpose of protection not from the undead, but to identify with them

I disagree with all of this. Who does that stuff? I've never worshipped a jackolantern nor have I venerated any such creature.

- the biblical Great Flood of Noah's day happened at that time of year (Nov. 1st), and all of the unbelievers (pagan and the like) were wiped out-- only Noah and his family, faithful to God's warnings, survived along with the animals in the ark. Halloween is actually in honor of those that died in the great flood, hoping that they come back from the dead on that eve.

you won't find that in your history syllabus-- but you can see that it's not a "holy day" in the least.

That's absurd, too.

you defend it, so yes, you do worship it....
have you ever researched the roots of Halloween? how about Christmas? New Year's? bet you haven't.

to call you sheep would be a compliment. you're more like a lemming.

Yep Halloween, Christmas, etc fall on the same dates as old pagan holidays. That's true. So in your world this means that they MUST be pagan? That's fvcking SAD logic. :roll:

My birthday is the same as Hitler's. I guess I better go kill some Jews...

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: kogase
If someone has faith, I will berate them for being ignorant. The reason? Their ignorance makes them a waste of a person, and therefore they shouldn't be wasting MY air. Dammit. Just like I berate someone who listens to bad music for having bad taste. I don't think you have a right to be an idiot. In my dictatorship (I'll be the dictator), ignorance is punishable, 100 LASHES! Bad taste is only 50 lashes. I'm being completely serious.

Wow.

 

[Banana]

ttt

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Vic
Why do trolls always post these hate threads? And get away with it? I guess it's because it's okay to hate on Christians and white people on ATOT, just not on anyone else.

:roll:

:|

If someone chooses to have faith, that is their right and choice. If someone chooses not to have faith, same thing, their right, their choice. Your opinions as to whether or not people should or should not have faith is petty, childish, pathetic, and unnecessary. Quit trying to tell people what they should or should not believe, and quit being such a bigot.

Yup, it seems that this is the trend in ATOT. I always see this kind of thread and lots of ppl come out bashing and laughing at ppl for having religion. I don't know the reason for such hatred.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Attrox
Yup, it seems that this is the trend in ATOT. I always see this kind of thread and lots of ppl come out bashing and laughing at ppl for having religion. I don't know the reason for such hatred.

I get the feeling that some of them do it to convince themselves that there is no God, and as such, they can do whatever it is they want to do without guilt or fear of consequence.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: ToeStub
True lonliness is facing oblivion with absolutely no hope.

What's truly sad is that all some people do is worry about death when by all accounts it is unavoidable. Oblivion will come for you, and it'll come for me. While you restrict enjoying your life unnecessarily with countless archaic rules, I'll live my life in my own way and will worry about death when it comes knocking.

You have a one-in-a-thousandth chance of having picked or been raised in that one true correct religion. You can't tell me you've explored the religions of the world and know absolutely that you won't feel a stronger connection to God in one of them than you might feel now - you've simply presuming quite arrogantly that you hit upon the right theology. So, would your God be merciful and allow into Heaven a Jew? A Muslim? A Hindu? Is He going to be pissed that I might call him Allah instead of God? It's far too ridiculous to state that a merciful God would shove good, honest people off to Hell merely for believing with some different slant.

If there truly is a merciful God, logically all he's gonna have is some minimum requirements for getting past the pearly gates. Never caused a fellow human grievious pain, or death...the big stuff. You really think "never fscked a person of the same gender" is going to make the list? It's a wee bit doubtful to anyone who thinks in greater terms than a highly-touted fiction novel.

Why can't you respect those who have different beliefs then you do?

Seriously...I'm shocked by the lack of respect given around here.

This thread was done for a flamewar and it got the better of me momentarily.

If you want to get into a theological discussion. I'm all for it.

My strongest points of dicussions is how God has affected me in life.

However, I downright refuse to get in a flaming discussion.

Frankly, nobody is going to put much stock in your personal illusions. I've hypnotised and been hypnotised before, so I know what kind of placebo effect one can introduce on the unwitting. Minds weak and strong can 'fall' for it, but in the end it is a crock.

I would like to hear how you figure that your belief system has a logical advantage over all the rest. Or if your God would allow good, decent believers of every faith into Heaven.