Why do weak people always turn to God?

[ToeStub]

Believe as you wish. I met my maker long ago in a muddy hole far from home. I had noone to lean on and no help. That is when I accepted his helping hand.

Yep, I took the easy way out, but that is what the big guy offers you, an easy way out.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Jero
Dude, your asking for a flame war here....

- Very religious catholic

Exactly. I'm not religious, and I think you should let them do what they want if it's for anything personal.

 

[Eli]

Because they don't have the will to think and do positive on their own I guess.

 

[Xionide]

I wish bodily harm on christians.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: ToeStub
You presume too much, my friend. I have expressed that I have hope and perhaps that I believe. I never said that I embrace a religion of any sort. Don't put the cart before the horse.

*laugh* What a copout. Can't take the rigour of organized religion so you water it down and adopt some sort of personal belief system that takes the best of everything you want the big guy in the sky to be like, huh? Your odds after you croak are just as bad as mine.

Why can't you respect those who have different beliefs then you do?

Seriously...I'm shocked by the lack of respect given around here.

This thread was done for a flamewar and it got the better of me momentarily.

If you want to get into a theological discussion. I'm all for it.

My strongest points of dicussions is how God has affected me in life.

However, I downright refuse to get in a flaming discussion.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Xionide
I wish bodily harm on christians.

You're a sad, pathetic man.

 

[imthebadguy]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
youre an idiot. some people find great peace in religion. if its not for you, stfu and leave us alone. you dont have to talk about it.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: LtPage1
youre an idiot. some people find great peace in religion. if its not for you, stfu and leave us alone. you dont have to talk about it.

Some people find great peace in being self-sufficient. If that's not for you STFU and leave us alone. You don't need to talk about it.

Sounds great the other way too, doesn't it.

If it works for us, then you don't need to be an asshole about it. :roll:

 

[Babbles]

Wow the OP is an idiot.

Even if you choose to be atheist you should be able to look at things from another person's perspective. Congrats on being a closed minded fool.
I find it interesting that so many of these atheist type people claim to be more insightful and have some sort of better understanding than others, yet they are - more often than not - more closed minded than religious people.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Topic Title: Why do weak people always turn to God?
Topic Summary: Seems that in times of need...man looks to the skies...

Just ask the 50.9% of the Country that voted W in back in November, that's a lot of people to get an answer from.

:roll: because we all know that all Christians vote Republican

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Xionide
I wish bodily harm on christians.

You're a sad, pathetic man.

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: ToeStub
You presume too much, my friend. I have expressed that I have hope and perhaps that I believe. I never said that I embrace a religion of any sort. Don't put the cart before the horse.

*laugh* What a copout. Can't take the rigour of organized religion so you water it down and adopt some sort of personal belief system that takes the best of everything you want the big guy in the sky to be like, huh? Your odds after you croak are just as bad as mine.

Why can't you respect those who have different beliefs then you do?

Seriously...I'm shocked by the lack of respect given around here.

This thread was done for a flamewar and it got the better of me momentarily.

If you want to get into a theological discussion. I'm all for it.

My strongest points of dicussions is how God has affected me in life.

However, I downright refuse to get in a flaming discussion.

Because there are an infinite amount of beliefs out there and they all claim to be the one and only "Truth."

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: ToeStub
You presume too much, my friend. I have expressed that I have hope and perhaps that I believe. I never said that I embrace a religion of any sort. Don't put the cart before the horse.

*laugh* What a copout. Can't take the rigour of organized religion so you water it down and adopt some sort of personal belief system that takes the best of everything you want the big guy in the sky to be like, huh? Your odds after you croak are just as bad as mine.

Why can't you respect those who have different beliefs then you do?

Seriously...I'm shocked by the lack of respect given around here.

This thread was done for a flamewar and it got the better of me momentarily.

If you want to get into a theological discussion. I'm all for it.

My strongest points of dicussions is how God has affected me in life.

However, I downright refuse to get in a flaming discussion.

Because there are an infinite amount of beliefs out there and they all claim to be the one and only "Truth."

Ironically...those 'Christians' who preach and try to impose their values on you don't even know what real Christians are.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: yllus
I am a big believer in self-sufficiency, though I don't claim to be at an acceptable level of it myself yet.

Religion...an excuse to look at the terrifying and likely quite realistic scenario that when you're dead, you're just dead. Your essence becomes unbound to your body and you rot in silence for eternity. I mean, give me a break. Hell if you're naughty, heaven if you're not. It amazes me sometimes that adults believe in this stuff.

I think there's an obvious reason that belief in God increases in the world in times of hardship. It's a nice mental escape from the squalor of one's immediate existence. I prefer simply living life for myself uncumbered by ridiculous arbitrary rules written in ancient texts. If God is half as merciful and accepting as we're all gonna need him to be, he'll understand my reasons for living my life this way and let me on my way.

I had a similar conversation with my mom. I was saying that people turn to god when they feel small and that god only exists where humans fail themselves. She disagreed and said that I'd be down on my knees praying to god to save me if I had been in Indonesia staring at the tsunami about to hit.

I said I wouldn't. I figure I'd have 2 choices. The first to be to pray that god will somehow magically levitate me above the impending watery doom and end up as fish food anyways, and the second would be to rely on myself to get my ass in gear and find a hill to climb.

 

[OverVolt]

*Folds up lawn chair and goes home*

 

[Kadarin]

Heh.. kudos to yllus for dishing out some pwnage in this thread; I agree with him 100%. My problem with religion (and particularly the Christian-based religions) is that it's so damned arbitrary. I see no point in "worshipping" "God". Jesus is the son of this "God" and came to earth 2000 years ago to "save" me? Horseshit.

As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.

 

[LongCoolMother]

why turn to anything? if religion helps people feel better, then by all means, let them do it. if people turn to hope, by all means. if they turn to science, by all means. philosophy/religion. same reason why people turn to drugs, but thayt could arguably have very negative affects. i hardly see how looking to philosophy could be harmful. i personally cant turn to religion because i cant convince myself of there being a god/et al but if i had a choice, id make myself believe it. obvious i cant trick myself into thinking something i want to believe, but if it strengthens people, then by all means.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.

That is a rather incomplete dogma. I would be afraid if you were to follow only that, you would turn out to be a poor shell of a person. There is a bit more to life than just not harming others.
But, hey, if that is your goal then more power to you.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.

That is a rather incomplete dogma. I would be afraid if you were to follow only that, you would turn out to be a poor shell of a person. There is a bit more to life than just not harming others.
But, hey, if that is your goal then more power to you.

See, you didn't understand what he was saying. It's not about not harming others.. it's about not harming others unnecessarily. I *know* there's more to life than this statement. However, this statement forms an excellent basis for a personal moral code, with no need for belief in mystical higher powers.

Life does not need "God". Life just is.

 

[dethman]

OMGWTFJESUS

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.

That is a rather incomplete dogma. I would be afraid if you were to follow only that, you would turn out to be a poor shell of a person. There is a bit more to life than just not harming others.
But, hey, if that is your goal then more power to you.

See, you didn't understand what he was saying. It's not about not harming others.. it's about not harming others unnecessarily. I *know* there's more to life than this statement. However, this statement forms an excellent basis for a personal moral code, with no need for belief in mystical higher powers.

Life does not need "God". Life just is.

Originally you stated that not hurting others unnecessarly is all that is required. Then this statement is emphasized by repeating "That and that alone."
Then you tell me that you *know* there is more to life than just that statement.

Which is it?

I am no longer a practicing Christian, but I sure as hell do not want to be lumped in the same category as you blind fools that can not see other people's perspectives.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
What I want to know is why are "men" today so afraid of and negative towards God?

because the most crimes, atrocities and unjust things, intolerance, closed mindedness and fanatism MOSTLY is done by people who CLAIM/THINK that they're backed by "God"

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.

That is a rather incomplete dogma. I would be afraid if you were to follow only that, you would turn out to be a poor shell of a person. There is a bit more to life than just not harming others.
But, hey, if that is your goal then more power to you.

See, you didn't understand what he was saying. It's not about not harming others.. it's about not harming others unnecessarily. I *know* there's more to life than this statement. However, this statement forms an excellent basis for a personal moral code, with no need for belief in mystical higher powers.

Life does not need "God". Life just is.

Originally you stated that not hurting others unnecessarly is all that is required. Then this statement is emphasized by repeating "That and that alone."
Then you tell me that you *know* there is more to life than just that statement.

Which is it?

I am no longer a practicing Christian, but I sure as hell do not want to be lumped in the same category as you blind fools that can not see other people's perspectives.

Because morality != life. Read my post. Was it so hard to understand? Should I break it down into single syllables?

 

[flexy]

hey, i do agree with that *basically*, but i just found something interesting...
>
As Heinlein said, sin lies only in hurting someone unnecessarily. That's all. That and that alone is morality. Follow that, and you are a good person.
>

basically, and simplified: YES.

The funny thing: Add 9 more...and you have something like the ten commandments
Aren't they like a list of "someone" defining what is morality and what not ?

Maybe someone came to the SAME conclusion like Heinlein long ago...wrote it down with some add-ons (because you need those definatly)...and boom...a religion was founded

 

[flexy]

>>>
However, this statement forms an excellent basis for a personal moral code, with no need for belief in mystical higher powers.
>>>
i'd go so far and say that only the "personal" moral code can be a genuine/right one.

Too many "bad" people go to church but (probably) dont have a real morality since they eg. commit crimes nevertheless...eg. people who rape and murder, kill innocents and similiar. People who are "religious" but do not have one bit of genuine morality inside.

I really dont give a **** about how "religious" a person is when i see the same person does not have real, genuine view of morality. Religion is only a belief everyone can "attend" easily....i can get a certain religion by birth...or the country i was born in decides what God i believe in. Thats the most ridiculous thing ever. I think humanity still has a LONG way to go...

Nevertheless..the morality discussion is very interesting. It would, of course, also lead to the question where the "feel" for "wrong or right" comes.....and religious people would certainly argue "from God"