why do we pay so much in taxes?

[a777pilot]

Mexico. One quick simple word. Mexico. Go there. About 12% tax rates. Yeah, the service sucks and the drug traffic runs everything, but its cheap dude. The women will fuck you long time. The men will bow down to you and even cow tow if that's your thing. All this bullshit about American taxes being high is just so much marketing. You get what you pay for and everyone knows you can always take your money elsewhere.

Mexico is a piss poor example of a low tax country. It's a great example of a failed state, however.

...but nice try.

 

[Throckmorton]

Mexico is a piss poor example of a low tax country. It's a great example of a failed state, however.

...but nice try.

LOL, he recommends a real world low tax country, and you say it's a bad example and a failed state.

So what would be a good example of a low tax country?

 

[a777pilot]

LOL, he recommends a real world low tax country, and you say it's a bad example and a failed state.

So what would be a good example of a low tax country?

Mexico is NOT a low tax country.

As far as an example is concerned....you got me. I don't see any country as successful today.

 

[bfdd]

My coworker says he pays lower taxes in China than here.

 

[Jhhnn]

My coworker says he pays lower taxes in China than here.

Heh. And the usual anti-Gubmint ravers here would end up working in a prison factory there...

 

[a777pilot]

My coworker says he pays lower taxes in China than here.

You work in China?

 

[a777pilot]

Heh. And the usual anti-Gubmint ravers here would end up working in a prison factory there...

Are there any freedoms in China? How many votes did President Hu get over his opponent?

 

[fskimospy]

You mean they didn't have offshore SPV's to deal in CDO's squared in 1789? Really?

They didn't have electricity, internal combustion engines or firearms more sophisticated than flintlocks, either...

This new right wing troll is even dumber than the previous ones. Anarchist420 excepted of course.

I have to say that was a new one though, "commerce hasn't changed since 1789". hahahaha.

 

[a777pilot]

This new right wing troll is even dumber than the previous ones. Anarchist420 excepted of course.

I have to say that was a new one though, "commerce hasn't changed since 1789". hahahaha.

"commerce hasn't changed since 1789".

Commerce hasn't changed, just the techonlogy surrounding it has. Commerce is still selling what the people want at a price you can make a profit. What's changed?

 

[fskimospy]

Commerce hasn't changed, just the techonlogy surrounding it has. Commerce is still selling what the people want at a price you can make a profit. What's changed?

Medicine hasn't changed, just the technology surrounding it has. Medicine is still curing people who are sick. What's changed? (this is the only answer you deserve, btw)

The fact that you can't understand how commerce has changed in the last few centuries explains perfectly well why your opinions are so awful. Are you seriously saying you can't understand how technological and procedural advances in commerce have fundamentally altered the way that government must behave towards it?

Like, you can't tell the difference between people trading at a local market and synthetic collateralized debt obligation?

 

[a777pilot]

Medicine hasn't changed, just the technology surrounding it has. Medicine is still curing people who are sick. What's changed? (this is the only answer you deserve, btw)

The fact that you can't understand how commerce has changed in the last few centuries explains perfectly well why your opinions are so awful. Are you seriously saying you can't understand how technological and procedural advances in commerce have fundamentally altered the way that government must behave towards it?

Like, you can't tell the difference between people trading at a local market and synthetic collateralized debt obligation?

I will give you the fact that technology has changed. Just as it has in my profession: War! The purpose of war is still the same....close with the enemy and destroy them. The purpose of commence is to produce a product and sell it.

The behavior of government toward this is to keep the players legal, protection in the wide world but mostly, to stay out of the way.

 

[fskimospy]

I will give you the fact that technology has changed. Just as it has in my profession: War! The purpose of war is still the same....close with the enemy and destroy them. The purpose of commence is to produce a product and sell it.

The behavior of government toward this is to keep the players legal, protection in the wide world but mostly, to stay out of the way.

Right. My profession was war for the better part of a decade too, it's irrelevant.

Much as with medicine and war, the technology and the process of commerce has changed over the last several centuries, and correspondingly the means by which we regulate and tax commerce has changed. It's pretty simple. Not everything that worked in 1789 works today.

 

[a777pilot]

Right. My profession was war for the better part of a decade too, it's irrelevant.

Much as with medicine and war, the technology and the process of commerce has changed over the last several centuries, and correspondingly the means by which we regulate and tax commerce has changed. It's pretty simple. Not everything that worked in 1789 works today.

I agree that technology changes a lot but how the government would "regulate and tax commerce" has changed....and not for the better.

The tax is too much and the regulations are drown ding new companies entering the market place.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree that technology changes a lot but how the government would "regulate and tax commerce" has changed....and not for the better.

The tax is too much and the regulations are drown ding new companies entering the market place.

So now we agree that what was good enough in 1789 isn't good enough today, even if we disagree on the magnitude?

 

[a777pilot]

So now we agree that what was good enough in 1789 isn't good enough today, even if we disagree on the magnitude?

Not necessarily.

 

[Craig234]

Mexico is a piss poor example of a low tax country. It's a great example of a failed state, however.

...but nice try.

Great, another Texas poster.

Liberal: educating our children is a good idea.

a777pilot: we need to cut spending, and that's spending! Education is bad for kids!

Liberal: Take a look at Mississippi that follows your thinking - ignorant people.

a777pilot: States that actually do what I suggest and are filled with ignorant people are piss poor examples of states who don't educate their children.

They're great examples of failed states, though. Just look at all the ignorant people - it's not fair to use them to judge the effects of not educating children!

We should use the states with GREAT economies who don't educate their children. There aren't any, but we'll get some when we cut education in more states!

Next up: a777pilot proves cutting health spending improves healthcare, if you don't include the biased selection of states who spend little and have bad care.

Mexico: clearly, its problems have NOTHING to do with low tax rates, since it's terrible, and our ideology says, cut taxes and you get utopia!

Texas logic.

A clue: a reason Mexico's tax rates are low, I suspect, is the massive poverty because they have such a huge concentration of wealth (richest man in the *world* in Mexico) - which is the Republican dream for the US to become more like that concentration of wealth. Undertaxing the rich greatly helps create that concentration.

Oh, hell, the Texan probably isn't even reading this. How do I put it in Texas terms?

Imagine a few big ranchers pay for the elections and own the government, which then puts in policies good for them so that all the other ranchers can't afford to stay in business - and become employees of those few big ranchers. From Ranch owner to ranch hand - and there are a lot more cowboys than are needed, so they fight for the scraps of a few cowboy positions for very little pay, and the rest try to grow a little to eat - and maybe rustle cattle for which they're hung on the spot.

But hey, all those starving cowboys pay low taxes. So it's a great situation, right?

'Low taxes' is the battle cry for saying 'low taxes for the RICH after they have shifted most income into their pockets, to get out of the rest of the equation to pay taxes.'

All the economic growth after inflation the last 30 years has gone to the top 80%, mostly to the top of the top 20%. So, don't tax them!

Why the hell can't any right wingers discuss taxes on billionares as something different from the taxes THEY pay? They see 'tax a billionare' and say don't tax me!

Even Obama, who is way too far to the right who has reportedly had the 'biggest tax cut in US history', is attacked as 'high tax'. These people are ignorant and irresponsible.

 

[Craig234]

Not necessarily.

Liberal: we need to apply the SPIRIT of the constitution to modern society - for example, the constitution clearly intended to protect privacy, and birth control pills are an issue where the state government is overstepping its bounds and violating the federal constitution's intended limits on government power, to say it has the right to tell people they can't have birth control pills to protect against pregnancy from legal sex.

a777pilot: Screw you liberals trying to rewrite the constitution for 'modern times', the constitution should be interpreted exactly as when it was written!

Liberal: So, the right to bear arms only includes weapons from the 18th century?

a777pilot: No, we have to follow the SPIRIT of the document and apply it to more modern weapons!

Liberal: So, you base when to apply the constitution to modern issues based only on what you like. That's clearly shown.

a777pilot: Let me explain, with Texas logic, how my position is actually not hypocrisy:

Not necessarily.

Bet you can't rebut THAT!

 

[Craig234]

LOL, he recommends a real world low tax country, and you say it's a bad example and a failed state.

So what would be a good example of a low tax country?

a777pilot: There's aren't any in your liberal 'reality based' world, but I've got one:

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHEN WE GET RID OF TAXES. We'll be GREAT!!!!

 

[beginner99]

http://www.businesspundit.com/12-countries-with-the-highest-lowest-tax-rates/

Quit crying.

😀

Me likes were I live and it's not USA.

The thing is we also have great infrastructure (freeways, roads, public transport, water supply, electricity, public schools,...). Probably the best in the world. Or said otherwise, for me there is an easily visible class difference to countries like the UK or USA.

Why the difference? To USA it obviously it because of the spending for army and wars. But there are also cultural differences. Acting instead of talking.

 

[alkemyst]

the flat percentages aren't that bad, it's the hidden taxes like inflated gas and the like that really add up.

I say make sales tax like 15-20%+ and get rid of everything else.

 

[wuliheron]

Mexico is a piss poor example of a low tax country. It's a great example of a failed state, however.

...but nice try.

Sorry dude, but if you want lower taxes you have to go to the third world. They're like Walmart, open every day of the week.

 

[a777pilot]

Craig234 seems obsessed with me. I wonder why? LOL!

He definitely likes to put words in my mouth for me.

Hey Craig234....you so funny. I like it.


The fact that I live in Texas means what? Really nothing. Being a United states Marine is what you need to focus on. That is what is really important.

So now lets hear your assumptions of me based on me being a Marine.

 

[a777pilot]

Sorry dude, but if you want lower taxes you have to go to the third world. They're like Walmart, open every day of the week.

I want more than just lower taxes. I want what we tax changed too. Then I want the size and scope of this intrusive government reduced. Yes, lower all of our taxes but there is more, way more to it than that.

 

[fskimospy]

Craig234 seems obsessed with me. I wonder why? LOL!

He definitely likes to put words in my mouth for me.

Hey Craig234....you so funny. I like it.


The fact that I live in Texas means what? Really nothing. Being a United states Marine is what you need to focus on. That is what is really important.

So now lets hear your assumptions of me based on me being a Marine.

Why is being a Marine important?

 

[fskimospy]

the flat percentages aren't that bad, it's the hidden taxes like inflated gas and the like that really add up.

I say make sales tax like 15-20%+ and get rid of everything else.

In order to equal the amount of government revenue we have now (not even counting the deficit), we would need a FEDERAL sales tax of approximately 34%. Add state sales tax on top of that of course.