why do we pay so much in taxes?

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JSt0rm

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This comes from the retarded definition of socialism that gets thrown around here. Our military is in fact socialized in that it is communally resourced. So yes, you work for a socialized industry. All government is on a spectrum, from anarchy on the extreme right to some sort of ultra communism on the left, depending on the degree of the economy that is socialized.

If you think people saying the military is socialism are dumb, then maybe people should stop calling every single increase in regulation socialism. Technically they all are, but as you can see the term isn't accurately describing what people think of when they say 'socialism'.

socialism only applies to things the neocons dont like.
 

PeshakJang

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This comes from the retarded definition of socialism that gets thrown around here. Our military is in fact socialized in that it is communally resourced. So yes, you work for a socialized industry. All government is on a spectrum, from anarchy on the extreme right to some sort of ultra communism on the left, depending on the degree of the economy that is socialized.

If you think people saying the military is socialism are dumb, then maybe people should stop calling every single increase in regulation socialism. Technically they all are, but as you can see the term isn't accurately describing what people think of when they say 'socialism'.

There's a difference between something functioning as a socialized institution, and Socialism as a social structure. The military is a socialized institution, in that it provides equal protection to everybody that supports it. It is not a means of engineering society, it is a means of protecting it. Socialism, as I used it, and as it is referred to in the pejorative, is the concept of enforcing equality on an otherwise unequal system. Taking from those who have earned something, to their detriment, and giving it to those who have not, for their benefit.

But that's the trick your type always tries to use. You refuse to identify your true intentions, and instead refer to vague in-betweens and false analogies, then trumpet the moral righteousness of your actions as the only justification required.

Edit: It's also pretty telling that you chose to point out what a socialist institution the military is, while ignoring the fact that the military is one of the most hated institutions of the left. A is A.
 
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Arglebargle

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... It [The military] is not a means of engineering society, it is a means of protecting it....

I think you should send that note to Harry Truman, you know the president that integrated the military, leading to a sea change in public thought, and aiding the end of Jim Crow.

Generally though, I think those upset with this tax thing should try and present another country that taxes you less than the US. Good luck on that.
 
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Steeplerot

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There's a difference between something functioning as a socialized institution, and Socialism as a social structure. The military is a socialized institution, in that it provides equal protection to everybody that supports it. It is not a means of engineering society, it is a means of protecting it.

The Military has it's own society that lives in it's bubble along with it's own terminology. This is a artificially created society completely off of tax monies. Along with its universal healthcare, housing provided, social events geared toward the society and its own lore.

You are splitting hairs. It is as socially engineered as you can get.
 

PeshakJang

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The Military has it's own society that lives in it's bubble along with it's own terminology. This is a artificially created society completely off of tax monies. Along with its universal healthcare, housing provided, social events geared toward the society and its own lore.

You are splitting hairs. It is as socially engineered as you can get.

I said, it is a socialized institution, not a means of social engineering (as in, engineering the society that supports it). You misunderstood me.
 

fskimospy

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There's a difference between something functioning as a socialized institution, and Socialism as a social structure. The military is a socialized institution, in that it provides equal protection to everybody that supports it. It is not a means of engineering society, it is a means of protecting it. Socialism, as I used it, and as it is referred to in the pejorative, is the concept of enforcing equality on an otherwise unequal system. Taking from those who have earned something, to their detriment, and giving it to those who have not, for their benefit.

But that's the trick your type always tries to use. You refuse to identify your true intentions, and instead refer to vague in-betweens and false analogies, then trumpet the moral righteousness of your actions as the only justification required.

Edit: It's also pretty telling that you chose to point out what a socialist institution the military is, while ignoring the fact that the military is one of the most hated institutions of the left. A is A.

Why would I point out that the left hates the military? I don't hate the military, and I'm quite leftist. What exactly would it point out anyway? Is the left supposed to support all socialized institutions or something? (and therefore must the right support all privatized institutions, thus wishing to privatize the army?) That's a really sad attempt to Ayn Rand-ify this discussion.

See what you're basically doing now is inventing yet another new term for socialism, that being 'something I don't like'. This basically proves my point as to people destroying the meaning of socialism with their own made up definitions. The military is most certainly not a socialized institution because it protects everyone who supports it, it is a socialized institution because it is communally resourced. It protects everyone regardless of whether you paid a dime to support it or said a single kind word.
 

wuliheron

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I think you should send that note to Harry Truman, you know the president that integrated the military, leading to a sea change in public thought, and aiding the end of Jim Crow.

Generally though, I think those upset with this tax thing should try and present another country that taxes you less than the US. Good luck on that.

Go back further. Lincoln created the first all black troops and the first military draft that allowed rich white folks to buy their way out of serving, while poor Irish immigrants rioted in protest over being forced to serve and help free the blacks so they could compete with them for low paying jobs.
 

shortylickens

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1) I tend to avoid new posters until they shed their trollish foreskin, unfortunately it usually takes more than 8 days. It's ok, I've been there. But this is the last you'll hear directly from me for a while.

2) Oh, they absolutely need to go up on some people.

Only in Anandtech would a tax discussion involve foreskins.

I love this place!

:awe:
 

PeshakJang

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Who is "the rich" that are destroying America?

Bruce Springsteen?
Nancy Pelosi?
Michael Moore?
Lady Gaga?
Bill Clinton?
Jeffrey Immelt?
Bill Gates?
Warren Buffett?

These are the rich, but not "the rich".

Tell me... who are the rich that are destroying America?
 

fskimospy

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Who is "the rich" that are destroying America?

Bruce Springsteen?
Nancy Pelosi?
Michael Moore?
Lady Gaga?
Bill Clinton?
Jeffrey Immelt?
Bill Gates?
Warren Buffett?

These are the rich, but not "the rich".

Tell me... who are the rich that are destroying America?

I don't have the slightest clue as to what you are babbling about.
 

wuliheron

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Only in Anandtech would a tax discussion involve foreskins.

I love this place!

:awe:


Yeah, I prefer penis sheaths myself.

images
 

a777pilot

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Originally Posted by jonks
1) I tend to avoid new posters until they shed their trollish foreskin, unfortunately it usually takes more than 8 days. It's ok, I've been there. But this is the last you'll hear directly from me for a while.


We should be so lucky.
 

JSt0rm

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Gee, thanks you for pointing out the obvious. LOL!

Well your sentence structure was using a passive (we) instead of a first person (I). So if you want something to be obvious in your understanding show us.
 

Engineer

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federal income tax (~28%)
state income tax (~6%)
local income tax (when I lived in nyc)
sales tax (6% - 8.875%)
property tax (1.8% property value)
gas tax (25 - 30 cents per gal)

i definitely don't get back what i pay into taxes. single, no kids (no school).
that brings up another point. why do people with kids get tax breaks when they're the ones that will use more in social and public services?

So you make $297,400 after all deductions to pay an "effective rate" of 28% Federal tax? Now what is your real "effective rate"?

Plug your after deductions income into the calculator on this page and see

Federal taxes are at lowest point for "most" in over 60 years. With the cuts in federal, states and cities are now having to pick up more slack and are raising the rates (IMO).
 

a777pilot

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Bottom line is we spend too much. Way too much. We tax too much, also. So we need to lower both.
 

Throckmorton

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So you make $297,400 after all deductions to pay an "effective rate" of 28% Federal tax? Now what is your real "effective rate"?

Plug your after deductions income into the calculator on this page and see

Federal taxes are at lowest point for "most" in over 60 years. With the cuts in federal, states and cities are now having to pick up more slack and are raising the rates (IMO).

He probably included SS and Medicare.

Oh wait, "those aren't taxes" because poor people pay them and poor people "don't pay taxes". :hmm:
 

Jhhnn

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Commerce is the same in the way that medicine is the same. Both continue to have the same goal, but many of the processes have changed radically.

You mean they didn't have offshore SPV's to deal in CDO's squared in 1789? Really?

They didn't have electricity, internal combustion engines or firearms more sophisticated than flintlocks, either...
 

wuliheron

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Bottom line is we spend too much. Way too much. We tax too much, also. So we need to lower both.


Mexico. One quick simple word. Mexico. Go there. About 12% tax rates. Yeah, the service sucks and the drug traffic runs everything, but its cheap dude. The women will fuck you long time. The men will bow down to you and even cow tow if that's your thing. All this bullshit about American taxes being high is just so much marketing. You get what you pay for and everyone knows you can always take your money elsewhere.