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diamondgoat53

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Soapdish,

Thats funny<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> sick, but funny.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

But even I don't think Etech or Tom want to harm little ol' jewish ladies.


Just us socially liberal fiscal conservatives who don't buy into the right wing republican BS that permeates their party now. The list of the people they kick out and abandon in pursuit of their goal of domination of anyone not of their "social ranking" is appalling. Anyone seen Newt lately? The party dropped him like a bad habit. The ran off Jefford and now a rep in Florida. Just watch the news in the coming weeks. It's not too popular to support this guy sleeping in the white house now. Politically,he's just too risky.

one more example of someone talking out there a&&. gee, ya think you have a real view of what's going on? your opinion is worthless. the only thing worse than no opinion is an ill-formed one. although, it's nice to see this thread pop back up so we can see who had their heads up their asse$ for the last few months (Democrats, we're looking at you.)

 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
You see Republicans are _______ ! And I am not kidding.
Time and time again they have shown themselves to be the ______ that they truly are.
So, you wanted us to fill in the blanks. So, here goes:

You see Republicans are _the greatest_! And I am not kidding.
Time and time again they have shown themselves to be the _most honorable individuals_ that they truly are.

OK, putting the debate aside, I don't agree with the Republican's views on abortions and I'm not a "bible thumper." I'm a Republican because of the following reasons:

1) I'm prior military. Whenever the U.S. needs to kick some @$$, it's usually the Republican party that does the best job at handling these situations.

2) Taking responsibility. What's the worst thing to happen to President Bush - he choked on a pretzel. Sure, people have fun making jokes about his speeches and his "slip-ups." But, you have considered the consequences of an individual who speaks too perfectly? It kind of makes you wonder if they have something to hide because they can speak so clearly. I've seen people who have this ability to speak clearly - and they do a good job of covering their mistakes up. Look at former President Clinton. Remember his statement: "I did not have sex with that woman." - most of America (as gullable as they are) belived him.

3) The Republicans have been proactive at cleaning house when it comes to money that was being wasted by the Liberal party. The belive of a Republican is that you should get out there and work for what you want - not wait on a welfar check to provide for you. Now, is that such a bad position? I think not.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: diamondgoat53
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Soapdish,

Thats funny<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> sick, but funny.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

But even I don't think Etech or Tom want to harm little ol' jewish ladies.


Just us socially liberal fiscal conservatives who don't buy into the right wing republican BS that permeates their party now. The list of the people they kick out and abandon in pursuit of their goal of domination of anyone not of their "social ranking" is appalling. Anyone seen Newt lately? The party dropped him like a bad habit. The ran off Jefford and now a rep in Florida. Just watch the news in the coming weeks. It's not too popular to support this guy sleeping in the white house now. Politically,he's just too risky.

one more example of someone talking out there a&&. gee, ya think you have a real view of what's going on? your opinion is worthless. the only thing worse than no opinion is an ill-formed one. although, it's nice to see this thread pop back up so we can see who had their heads up their asse$ for the last few months (Democrats, we're looking at you.)
Diamondgoat talks about others opinion being worthless, I guess he hasn't checked to going rate of his lately or he'd realize that McCarthy Era Rhetoric hasn't held it's value worth a damn either.

You talk about looking at the Democrats with an accusing eye all the while totally looking the other way with regards to the Republicans. Man talk about being gullible. I have both parties in my scopes watching them like a hawk because from what we've seen in the past, you turn your back on either one of them and they'll wind up doing some kind of irreversible damage to some segment of the Society, Foreign Policy or the Economy.

I also find it funny (as in strange) how the Republicans win a few races over the Democrats by the average of 5% of the over all vote and the Ultra Conservative Fringe of the Republican Party mistakenly think the whole country is now marching goosestep with them. The Republicans didn't win the House and the Senate because the American Voter wanted some Pro Life Judges appointed or because they embraced Ultra Conservatism, they won because the Republicans convinced the Moderates in both parties that they were the ones who could bring about better Homeland Security. I can assure you that a continued economic downturn, another deadly attack on American Soil or a bad turn in our Great Military Adventure in Iraq and we could just as well see the Republicans on the losing end of the next election in two years.



 

rufruf44

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Well considering the Republican has sucesfully pushed the Democrats away to a powerless role, for the next 2 years everything that happen will show whether Bush is a great president, or a fool. Democrats screwed themselves big time in this last election, now the only thing they can do is just sit back and pray the Republicans going to mess up.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Hmmm, funny how most people are avoiding my arguments that Reagan created a recession and was part of the Iran/Contra scandal. Oh well, you republicans can live in denial.

Regan's problem was he thought raising yachts would bring up all other boats below it, and the tide.

Kennedy and Clinton knew that a rising tide lifts all boats.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Well considering the Republican has sucesfully pushed the Democrats away to a powerless role, for the next 2 years everything that happen will show whether Bush is a great president, or a fool. Democrats screwed themselves big time in this last election, now the only thing they can do is just sit back and pray the Republicans going to mess up.
Well I hope Dubya and the Republican Congress will do a great job over the next two years because if they don't it's the American People who will have to deal with the consequences of their failure.
 

heartsurgeon

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i consider myself a consrvative democrat

HAHAHAHAH

ameesh (i spelled that correctly didn't i?)

do you have a real job?
do you pay taxes?
have you ever voted in a national election?

let me explain what politics is about - politics is not about legislating the "truth", or legislating what is theoretically the "ideal" solution. Politics is a pragmatic way to deal with societal needs and wants, within a framework of the constitution, and with limited resources. Different segments of society have different needs and wants. they are in many case in direct conflict with each other. hence no one will please everyone all the time.

the politicos each wants to retain power. in order to do that they must come up with a mix of ideas that corresponds to the needs and wants of 51% of their electorate. the reason the elections these days are so close, is because each party has "aimed for the center"

the proof of this, i believe is the folowing -

the top 50% in income pay over 96% of personal income taxes collected.
the bottom 50% pay less than 4% of all personal income taxes collected.

people vote their wallets (which is why i asked you if you pay taxes..), and don't insult me by telling me when you "grow up" you won't either, lets see how you feel when you make $100,000 a year and see $50,000 of it go to taxes.

the republicans over arching theme is "less taxes" - do you see why now?
the democrats over arching theme is "more benefits" - which really means more taxes.

to attack either party on the purity or sanctity of their "ideals" is juvenile, and does not make for a flattering image of your intellect. each side is entitled to present their point of view. the key our system of goverment is the dynamic tension between the two parties. they keep each other in check, and we are better as a nation for having two parties. with the maturity of time (and some taxable income) you will become less strident in your views, and you will begin to realize that neither party fully represents your interests. then it becomes interesting.






 

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So everyone posting now knows that this was a thread accidently revived from 5/01, right?
 

Zebo

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LOL HS I think he does make more and not including options and other good sh1t from microsoft. But believe or not some of us don't mind the taxes for the services and clean country we live in. Also I liked the Goverment paying for me to finish school and pay my reduced mortgage costs. And 100K paying 50K in taxes!! ??

As far as politcians go they are all inherently for the rich becuase you need 20 mil to will a seat and who do you think gonna give it to them? Broke bob the plumber with four kids who drives an Escalde? No, it's the wealty who want thier favor returned. As my former boss used to say" it's a lot better to own a politian than be one"...


Oh he was a few more levels above me but he said it in the bathroom to his VP.
 

StrongBad

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Republicans suck. Screw the Enviornment... screw people without alot of money... screw other everyone. Republicans suck.
 

Ornery

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Phokus
Hmmm, funny how most people are avoiding my arguments that Reagan created a recession and was part of the Iran/Contra scandal. Oh well, you republicans can live in denial.

Regan's problem was he thought raising yachts would bring up all other boats below it, and the tide.

Kennedy and Clinton knew that a rising tide lifts all boats.
Perfect, speaking of yachts:
  • WILL CONGRESS SINK THE BOAT BUSINESS?
    by Mike Royko

    • It seemed like a smart idea to Congress at the time. Soak the rich. Let fat cats pay more tax because they can afford it. And what better symbol of self-indulgent wealth than the Yacht? Yeah, look at those rich swells, in their fancy yachting whites, lounging in a harbor, guzzling gin and tonic while decent folk can't afford a rowboat.

      So last year Congress enacted a special ten-percent tax on certain luxury items, including boats that cost more than $100,000. They were in such a hurry to grandstand that they didn't bother to hold hearings, get opinions from the boating industry or talk to economists. If they had, they might have been told what would happen.

      Perhaps it didn't occur to them that somebody considering a $300,000 boat might say, "They want me to pay another $20,000 in federal taxes? Hey forget it. I'll buy a good used boat instead, or maybe I'll just charter one."

      A lot of potential boat buyers seem to have thought that way. Those creative minds in Congress wanted to show voters that they weren't afraid to cause some financial pain. And cause pain they have. But to the rich? Hardly. The super-rich already have their yachts or can buy them in another country.

      Apparently, Congress didn't know that boats are built by people. The bigger and more luxurious the boat, the more skill and time required. When the tax took effect right on top of a recession, consumers stopped buying and the luxury boat business sank.

      Boat companies had to lay off workers. The National Marine Manufacturers Association, the lobbying group for boat manufacturers, claims that almost 19,000 jobs will be lost this year because of the tax. Without incomes, those people could be paying between $30 million and $60 million less in income tax.

      Some boat companies, especially small, family-run operations, went out of business. For example, David Walters, 49, had been building quality yachts in the Northeast for over 20 years. He sold about five boats a year, ranging in price from $300,000 to $600,000, and he employed 40 people. Walters had to close down. His 40 workers lost their jobs.

      "Three out of seven builders in my area have been wiped out," says Walters. "And the ones remaining are hanging on by their fingernails."

      How much revenue has the boat tax brought to the federal government? Economists say it's possible that the cost of collecting it is wiping out what is being collected. That means Congress came up with a tax that loses money, has eliminated thousands of jobs and deprives the Treasury of millions in income-tax dollars.

      This country's private-boat industry is-or maybe was-the world's leader. It exported American boats. Well, maybe the Japanese will fill that gap.

    Another Capitol Plan Runs Aground On The Rocks Of Reality
    Readers Digest October 1991
    Condensed from Chicago Tribune
That's a true story! Our next lesson will be a fable about the ant and the grasshopper, which is equally enlightening! Stay tuned...
 

Tominator

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The exact same thing happened in Pennsylvania when the state put a huge tax on heavy equipment. The industry just moved their spending to other states. Hundreds of jobs were lost in Pennsylvania.
 

Staples

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I didn't read this thread because I am sure that it like every political thread was taken over by republican voters who as stupid as they are, think they are going to get a tax cut. I have news for you, you will not get a tax cut unless you make over $200K a year.
 

Tominator

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Originally posted by: Staples
I didn't read this thread because I am sure that it like every political thread was taken over by republican voters who as stupid as they are, think they are going to get a tax cut. I have news for you, you will not get a tax cut unless you make over $200K a year.


Another dimbulb arises! I already got a tax cut thanks to GW and now with control of both houses of congress it will become permanant!

Why is it so hard for some to understand that the more you make the more taxes you pay? Then if there is a tax cut, YOU DESERVE MORE of the cut!

Which brings us to another difference between Republicans and Democrats. Clinton even said it! YOU are ALLOWED to keep only what the Government THINKS YOU NEED! It is the GOVERNMENT'S money! Not yours!

Republicans want as much money to stay in private hands as possible.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Tominator
The exact same thing happened in Pennsylvania when the state put a huge tax on heavy equipment. The industry just moved their spending to other states. Hundreds of jobs were lost in Pennsylvania.

So where is the money going to come from to pay for things if you don't tax those who actually have it? Sure you can reduce spending for the welfare children/mothers but most conservatives want to increase defense which will erode any of that savings and your right back to the debt you started with. Tax the middle, middle-upper class even more? Ya that works but is it good for the majority?


 

rufruf44

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Originally posted by: Tominator
Originally posted by: Staples
I didn't read this thread because I am sure that it like every political thread was taken over by republican voters who as stupid as they are, think they are going to get a tax cut. I have news for you, you will not get a tax cut unless you make over $200K a year.


Another dimbulb arises! I already got a tax cut thanks to GW and now with control of both houses of congress it will become permanant!

Why is it so hard for some to understand that the more you make the more taxes you pay? Then if there is a tax cut, YOU DESERVE MORE of the cut!

Which brings us to another difference between Republicans and Democrats. Clinton even said it! YOU are ALLOWED to keep only what the Government THINKS YOU NEED! It is the GOVERNMENT'S money! Not yours!

Republicans want as much money to stay in private hands as possible.

As long as there's no flat rate for taxes (instead of tiered), there will always be some injustice done, and every side will always claimed to be the loser.
Personally, I rather be in my control of my own money instead of letting government have their way. Abolish Social Security (there's no way it will survive 40yrs from now when I'm ready to retire), and the hell with welfare. The working people should not be use to support them and be turned into the biggest charity contributor in the world.


 

Staples

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I already got a tax cut thanks to GW and now with control of both houses of congress it will become permanant!
I am really thankful for my whole $100 tax cut out of the $30K I pay. Thank you mister Bush. Lets help drive up the national debt because that is what Republican stand for and the sad thing is that everyone here thinks that is a good thing.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i consider myself a consrvative democrat

HAHAHAHAH

ameesh (i spelled that correctly didn't i?)

do you have a real job?
do you pay taxes?
have you ever voted in a national election?

let me explain what politics is about - politics is not about legislating the "truth", or legislating what is theoretically the "ideal" solution. Politics is a pragmatic way to deal with societal needs and wants, within a framework of the constitution, and with limited resources. Different segments of society have different needs and wants. they are in many case in direct conflict with each other. hence no one will please everyone all the time.

the politicos each wants to retain power. in order to do that they must come up with a mix of ideas that corresponds to the needs and wants of 51% of their electorate. the reason the elections these days are so close, is because each party has "aimed for the center"

the proof of this, i believe is the folowing -

the top 50% in income pay over 96% of personal income taxes collected.
the bottom 50% pay less than 4% of all personal income taxes collected.

people vote their wallets (which is why i asked you if you pay taxes..), and don't insult me by telling me when you "grow up" you won't either, lets see how you feel when you make $100,000 a year and see $50,000 of it go to taxes.

the republicans over arching theme is "less taxes" - do you see why now?
the democrats over arching theme is "more benefits" - which really means more taxes.

to attack either party on the purity or sanctity of their "ideals" is juvenile, and does not make for a flattering image of your intellect. each side is entitled to present their point of view. the key our system of goverment is the dynamic tension between the two parties. they keep each other in check, and we are better as a nation for having two parties. with the maturity of time (and some taxable income) you will become less strident in your views, and you will begin to realize that neither party fully represents your interests. then it becomes interesting.


yes i have a real job, yes i pay taxes (a lot in fact), the republicans say lots of things it doesnt mean they will do it, i'm sure you remeber gw's famous "read my lips" as for this thread, at the time there was a huge number of threads titled "dumb democrats" "idiot democrats" etc. i got aggragivated to the point where i made the mistake of posting a thread with similar to theirs. keep in mind that this thread was more then 18 months ago.


as for me "growing" out of my liberalisim i doubt it will happen i already make more then 85% of the public and i think i pay way too much in taxes but the diffference i know between the democrats and the republicans is that the democrats will spend the money on education , social services, and the environment while republicans will just spend it on military programs. you can see that now with the reallocation of 34 billion dollars to the department of homeland defense, which took money away from research and education facilities all around the US>

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Phokus
Hmmm, funny how most people are avoiding my arguments that Reagan created a recession and was part of the Iran/Contra scandal. Oh well, you republicans can live in denial.

Regan's problem was he thought raising yachts would bring up all other boats below it, and the tide.

Kennedy and Clinton knew that a rising tide lifts all boats.
Perfect, speaking of yachts:
  • WILL CONGRESS SINK THE BOAT BUSINESS?
    by Mike Royko

    • It seemed like a smart idea to Congress at the time. Soak the rich. Let fat cats pay more tax because they can afford it. And what better symbol of self-indulgent wealth than the Yacht? Yeah, look at those rich swells, in their fancy yachting whites, lounging in a harbor, guzzling gin and tonic while decent folk can't afford a rowboat.

      So last year Congress enacted a special ten-percent tax on certain luxury items, including boats that cost more than $100,000. They were in such a hurry to grandstand that they didn't bother to hold hearings, get opinions from the boating industry or talk to economists. If they had, they might have been told what would happen.

      Perhaps it didn't occur to them that somebody considering a $300,000 boat might say, "They want me to pay another $20,000 in federal taxes? Hey forget it. I'll buy a good used boat instead, or maybe I'll just charter one."

      A lot of potential boat buyers seem to have thought that way. Those creative minds in Congress wanted to show voters that they weren't afraid to cause some financial pain. And cause pain they have. But to the rich? Hardly. The super-rich already have their yachts or can buy them in another country.

      Apparently, Congress didn't know that boats are built by people. The bigger and more luxurious the boat, the more skill and time required. When the tax took effect right on top of a recession, consumers stopped buying and the luxury boat business sank.

      Boat companies had to lay off workers. The National Marine Manufacturers Association, the lobbying group for boat manufacturers, claims that almost 19,000 jobs will be lost this year because of the tax. Without incomes, those people could be paying between $30 million and $60 million less in income tax.

      Some boat companies, especially small, family-run operations, went out of business. For example, David Walters, 49, had been building quality yachts in the Northeast for over 20 years. He sold about five boats a year, ranging in price from $300,000 to $600,000, and he employed 40 people. Walters had to close down. His 40 workers lost their jobs.

      "Three out of seven builders in my area have been wiped out," says Walters. "And the ones remaining are hanging on by their fingernails."

      How much revenue has the boat tax brought to the federal government? Economists say it's possible that the cost of collecting it is wiping out what is being collected. That means Congress came up with a tax that loses money, has eliminated thousands of jobs and deprives the Treasury of millions in income-tax dollars.

      This country's private-boat industry is-or maybe was-the world's leader. It exported American boats. Well, maybe the Japanese will fill that gap.

    Another Capitol Plan Runs Aground On The Rocks Of Reality
    Readers Digest October 1991
    Condensed from Chicago Tribune
That's a true story! Our next lesson will be a fable about the ant and the grasshopper, which is equally enlightening! Stay tuned...


Funny how the author fails to mention in 1991 when that article was written the US was in a huge Bush lead resession. Wonder if these guys got back in business during the Cinton lead 90's but are now out of business despite the new Bush's lead tax cut because again the econoomys in the crapper under Bush. It means nothing until you can show what boat sales vs. GDP vs. prime rate with a luxury tax timeline. And even then if the monies can pay for someones poor kids college who is smart enough to actually run a business profitablity he should be given the opportunity.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: soapdish
Etech

Pre & post Reagan years?


So that would be Carter (no argument there, dam oil embargo), and Bush SR?


I notice you didn't mention the Clinton years. Cause the Clinton years, especially the last three, saw unprecedented growth while LOWERING the national debt (Reagans sacrificed the national debt to achieve his economic growth). Is that some more of Tominators "Truth"?

Well go look at the annual debt numbers, the debt GREW, even with budget surpluses. IF you thought enron had bad accounting practices, you should see congress work. And the last 3 years of clinton has been run out since the tech buble popped. You can blow that much venture capital without making a profit and not have it affect the economy.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Hmm, anybody been paying attention to Texas? Due to failure of Bush's ideas in Texas, the Texas government is currently reversing many of Bush's policies. Coincidently, many of the same policies are still being promoted by Bush. This time not on the State level, but the National level. Hmmm.

You are not from Texas are you? The govenor has remained republican and the legislature is more republican than it was before. Oh and Houston is now the 3rd most poluted City. LA won the title back.
 

element

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Originally posted by: Tominator
he Reagan tax cuts caused the deficit to explode, and Bill Clinton's economic record has been better than Reagan's.

...Tell me ONE, just ONE thing Clinton did to better our economy...other than ride the coatails of Reagan and Bush...

Tell me ONE, just ONE thing that Reagan did to better the economy...other than ride the coatails of Ford and Carter. See how stupid that sounds?

 

0roo0roo

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they do a neat trick, their heads are simultaneously up their asses and in your bedroom. they fear da boobie! look at ashcroft. and well yea they fear the homosexual:) they are for small government? hah! look at bush and his expansion of government power right now:p they are all about expansion of big government, their big government, their social programs. funding religious institutions, trying to enforce their morals.
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Hmm, anybody been paying attention to Texas? Due to failure of Bush's ideas in Texas, the Texas government is currently reversing many of Bush's policies. Coincidently, many of the same policies are still being promoted by Bush. This time not on the State level, but the National level. Hmmm.

You are not from Texas are you? The govenor has remained republican and the legislature is more republican than it was before. Oh and Houston is now the 3rd most poluted City. LA won the title back.

Texas will ALWAYS be republican. Because the people here are uneducated and vote for the party, not for the ideals. They believe what the republicans tell them, because they want to. The democrats have a bad name down here, as do the other 'liberals.'

Its all a big Texas republican conspiracy. Foster the worst kind of education in the schools, and raise a state full of mindless puppets. All the while, pump conservative thoughts into their heads and, 18 years later you have another Republican voter. They will never lose to the democrats or any other party in Texas. The public K-12 schools in Texas show some of the worst results nationwide. I remember hearing we were like 40 out of 50 states.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Hmm, anybody been paying attention to Texas? Due to failure of Bush's ideas in Texas, the Texas government is currently reversing many of Bush's policies. Coincidently, many of the same policies are still being promoted by Bush. This time not on the State level, but the National level. Hmmm.

You are not from Texas are you? The govenor has remained republican and the legislature is more republican than it was before. Oh and Houston is now the 3rd most poluted City. LA won the title back.

Texas will ALWAYS be republican. Because the people here are uneducated and vote for the party, not for the ideals. They believe what the republicans tell them, because they want to. The democrats have a bad name down here, as do the other 'liberals.'

Its all a big Texas republican conspiracy. Foster the worst kind of education in the schools, and raise a state full of mindless puppets. All the while, pump conservative thoughts into their heads and, 18 years later you have another Republican voter. They will never lose to the democrats or any other party in Texas. The public K-12 schools in Texas show some of the worst results nationwide. I remember hearing we were like 40 out of 50 states.


Very interesting. I beieve the top 5 scoring states are very democratic voting states too. Like MN, VT etc. This may be the first real evidence I have ever seen which party/people actually have the smarter kids.