Why do people not like PETA?

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Ready
I'm not picking sides here, but nobody here besides screwd01 has really made any arguement that some PETA action was step over the line and place animal over human life. Ok, so they believe eating fish is wrong, but can somebody provide an example and link of PETA trying to enforce this on the rest of us. You know, like bombing a boat because it was fishing?
Perhaps most people here are right in assuming that PETA is a bunch of loose cannons, but all the same can somebody provide a link with such facts.

They are an extremist organization who supports militantism. If you look at their website they spell this out pretty clearly. You'd think that any reasonable organization would want to distance themselves from this type of activity.

From their FAQ:

Here is their argument of forcing their view on others:

?It?s fine for you to believe in animal rights, but why do you try to tell other people what to do??
Everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, but freedom of thought is not the same thing as freedom of action. You are free to believe whatever you want as long as you don?t hurt others. You may believe that animals should be killed, that black people should be enslaved, or that women should be beaten, but you don?t always have the right to put your beliefs into practice. The very nature of reform movements is to tell others what to do?don?t use humans as slaves, don?t sexually harass women, etc.?and all movements initially encounter opposition from people who want to continue to take part in the criticized behavior.

And here's their view on militantism:

?How can you justify the millions of dollars of property damage caused by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)??
Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground Railroad and the French Resistance are examples of movements in which people broke the law in order to answer to a higher morality. The ALF, which is simply the name adopted by people who act illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. ALF members burn empty buildings in which animals are tortured and killed. ALF ?raids? have given us proof of horrific cruelty that would not have otherwise been discovered or believed and have resulted in criminal charges? being filed against laboratories for violations of the Animal Welfare Act. Often, ALF raids have been followed by widespread scientific condemnation of the practices occurring in the targeted labs, and some abusive laboratories have been permanently shut down as a result.

Everyone is ALF should be shot point blank in the face

Especially in that TV show

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Ready
I'm not picking sides here, but nobody here besides screwd01 has really made any arguement that some PETA action was step over the line and place animal over human life. Ok, so they believe eating fish is wrong, but can somebody provide an example and link of PETA trying to enforce this on the rest of us. You know, like bombing a boat because it was fishing?
Perhaps most people here are right in assuming that PETA is a bunch of loose cannons, but all the same can somebody provide a link with such facts.

They are an extremist organization who supports militantism. If you look at their website they spell this out pretty clearly. You'd think that any reasonable organization would want to distance themselves from this type of activity.

From their FAQ:

Here is their argument of forcing their view on others:

?It?s fine for you to believe in animal rights, but why do you try to tell other people what to do??
Everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, but freedom of thought is not the same thing as freedom of action. You are free to believe whatever you want as long as you don?t hurt others. You may believe that animals should be killed, that black people should be enslaved, or that women should be beaten, but you don?t always have the right to put your beliefs into practice. The very nature of reform movements is to tell others what to do?don?t use humans as slaves, don?t sexually harass women, etc.?and all movements initially encounter opposition from people who want to continue to take part in the criticized behavior.

And here's their view on militantism:

?How can you justify the millions of dollars of property damage caused by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)??
Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground Railroad and the French Resistance are examples of movements in which people broke the law in order to answer to a higher morality. The ALF, which is simply the name adopted by people who act illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. ALF members burn empty buildings in which animals are tortured and killed. ALF ?raids? have given us proof of horrific cruelty that would not have otherwise been discovered or believed and have resulted in criminal charges? being filed against laboratories for violations of the Animal Welfare Act. Often, ALF raids have been followed by widespread scientific condemnation of the practices occurring in the targeted labs, and some abusive laboratories have been permanently shut down as a result.

Everyone is ALF should be shot point blank in the face

Especially in that TV show

lol

 

[Cheesetogo]

I saw a south park episode once where peta kept coming into the school and and holding everone at gunpoit like 50 times a month because their shcool mascot was an animal.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
I saw a south park episode once where peta kept coming into the school and and holding everone at gunpoit like 50 times a month because their shcool mascot was an animal.

I read the entire thread... enjoyed the flame war... the ignorance of what PETA does... etc.
But, after reading your post, I paused the longest, pondering it's meaning/relevance/point.
For a full minute, I thought that your reality and knowledge of the world was based on what you watch on television. I've realized though, that I must be mistaken. Yet, I cannot let go of the thought.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
I saw a south park episode once where peta kept coming into the school and and holding everone at gunpoit like 50 times a month because their shcool mascot was an animal.

I saw that episode also, it was freaking funny

 

[Chelsey]

As an animal lover and a future veterinarian, I am totally against animal cruelty. I do not like to hear about/see animals suffering. As a result of that, I am for euthanasia, something PETA does not agree with. I work at a vet clinic and I see first hand some of the cruel things that people do to their animals, both intentionally and by accident. In many of these cases, euthanasia keeps the animal from suffering. My vet believes in giving animals a chance to survive, many times at her own cost, but there are some cases in which no amount of medical care can save an animal. When its suffering is too great euthanasia is the only answer. I seriously think that PETA has some issues if they are against euthanasia-sometimes it's what's best for the animal.

LinkI do not believe that fish and lobsters are complex enough to have well-functioning nervous systems. Sure, they can respond to the world around them, but I seriously doubt that they can feel pain. I understand PETA's concern for animal cruelty, but is it necessarily cruelty to kill an animal that isn't capable of feeling pain?

The next thing I would like to comment on is PETA's criticism on using animals for testing. What other alternatives are there? If the drug companies are to develop drugs to save lives and alleviate pain in humans, the preliminary trials have to come from somewhere. I'm sure that some testing can be done by knowing the chemical makeup of some medications but that wouldn't determine the effectiveness of the drug. Also, the test animals are well taken care of. Labs require sterile conditions, so the cages must be kept spotless. For the animals to be in top condition (to evaluate the effects of drugs) the animals must have stimulation(wheels for mice, etc) and quality food/fresh water. The USDA oversees the use of lab animals, and I can assure you (from being USDA licensed myself) that the USDA does not take the welfare of animals lightly. There are strict codes that must be followed and inspections occur frequently. I am certain that some discomfort of the animals occurs during the testing, but some sacrifices must be made in order for the medical field to advance. In fact, most veterinary medicines came from drugs used in doctors offices.

Now onto PETA's hunting argument. All hunters that I know personally do not hunt to be wasteful, they actually eat the game they kill. Hunting seasons were instated to control the animal population within an area. If this hunting did not occur, a species, such as deer, would become overpopulated and would eventually suffer a mass dieoff, whether it be from a disease (this started happening in MO a few years ago but was caught in time via hunting) or starvation from loss of food source. Hunting actually serves a purpose, it isn't just for entertainment.

Lastly, I would like to comment on breeding animals for food. People have "evolved" into omnivores, so I believe that is what we should be. Some animals are raised for a purpose, and I believe that their purpose should be fufilled. Sure, I don't like hearing about animals such as chickens or veal calves being tortured, but that's life. If the world wasn't so overpopulated I'm sure more people would be raising their own food animals, but how is one supposed to keep a thousand pound cow in an apartment? My point: humans have to eat what they were meant to eat. Just because PETA raises heck about the big companies that "torture" their animals doesn't mean that we should all become vegetarians, we just need to regulate how the animals are being treated, which is the USDA's job.

Now onto a PETA person story...

There is a junior in my high school that is an active PETA member and a vegetarian. She uses organic everything and does not own an animal product at all, not even wool. She has "converted" all of her animals, even her dogs, into vegetarians, regardless of the effect it will have on their health. She screams bloody murder if she walks into a science classroom and finds a mouse in the ball python's cage. A student in one of our classes brought in this picture to show to some buddies and somehow this girl got ahold of the pic. She literally went histerical. She ran out of the room screaming and crying. I calmly walked out after her to make sure she was halfway ok (I felt bad). She was sitting in a chair shaking and bawling. The rest of the classperiod was spent trying to calm her down and keeping her from brutally attacking the guy that brought the pic in. Another time in the same class she stated that she'd rather eat a human than an animal, and that prisoners should be used to test drugs on instead of animals. Because of my experience with this individual I have to agree...PETA PEOPLE ARE LUNATICS.

As I google PETA I came up with this site regarding PETA. They seem to be credible and give sources. Ok, I'm done with my novel.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Chelsey

The next thing I would like to comment on is PETA's criticism on using animals for testing. What other alternatives are there? If the drug companies are to develop drugs to save lives and alleviate pain in humans, the preliminary trials have to come from somewhere.

In Peta's defense I'll give you an alternative to animal testing. I suggest that in order to more accurately predict a drug's effect on humans, we use Peta members as guinea pigs.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Chelsey

The next thing I would like to comment on is PETA's criticism on using animals for testing. What other alternatives are there? If the drug companies are to develop drugs to save lives and alleviate pain in humans, the preliminary trials have to come from somewhere.

In Peta's defense I'll give you an alternative to animal testing. I suggest that in order to more accurately predict a drug's effect on humans, we use Peta members as guinea pigs.

:thumbsup:

PETA are a bunch of worthless assholes who instead of doing something constructive with their lives and efforts (maybe they could run soup kitchens/fundraise for AID research/jump off a cliff), do their very best to fvck farmers out of a livelihood and generally make total asses of themselves :|

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Here you go......

Text

CBS) Fish can be wondrous to behold and delicious to consume, but now animal rights activists are declaring that fish are smart - too smart to eat.

"They actually do better on cognition tests than do dogs and cats," says Bruce Friedrich of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

Friedrich believes a fish is an intelligent individual.

That's not fair. Cats SURELY lowered the averages for the dogs. I mean, how rare is the cat that listens to a fvcking thing anyone says? If a legitimate test showed that a dog couldn't out-think a fish, the test isn't legitimate.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Because they compared the Holocaust/concentration camps to animals being killed.

Link 1
Link 2

This is what I was thinking about when I saw this thread. I don't care if the guy who said it was a Jew, that sh1t is wrong. Just because it happened to your ancestors doesn't make it right for you to say that, nor does it make it right to be ignorant about what went on.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Literati
THE ONLY VEGETARIAN I RESPECT IS THE RZA

Spoken like a true genius! the GZA perhaps? lol

have you read the book that the RZA put out? its pretty good stuff


seth

 

[RobCur]

why do we sometime have nightmares? because of animal's suffering. our past life as an animals is the result of our cruelty. what goes around comes around to hunt you back.
hunting animals for fun is immoral such as deers, squirrels, horses, bear
because life is about eating one another, cruelty is part of the ingredient
even if peta tries to stop everyone from eating meat, most will not stop because it is too tasty. what is animals? less intelligent, able to bear offsprings, can't defend themselves due to being on the lower chain of animal kingdom
We are animals too but at the very top of the pyramid, the most evolved.
Are cows really cruel animals? I think not, they are a victim of human consumption
on the other hand, we are most cruel definitely. in the past we've killed ourselves over petty matters such as fighting for land, pride and to win over a woman.

 

[Nebor]

A Peta activist ran over my dog, and screamed out the window "This is how I feel when you eat meat!"

 

[dug777]

cos they are a bunch of useless wankers who contribute nothing very constructive to the world :|

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RobCur
why do we sometime have nightmares? because of animal's suffering. our past life as an animals is the result of our cruelty. what goes around comes around to hunt you back.
hunting animals for fun is immoral such as deers, squirrels, horses, bear
because life is about eating one another, cruelty is part of the ingredient
even if peta tries to stop everyone from eating meat, most will not stop because it is too tasty. what is animals? less intelligent, able to bear offsprings, can't defend themselves due to being on the lower chain of animal kingdom
We are animals too but at the very top of the pyramid, the most evolved.
Are cows really cruel animals? I think not, they are a victim of human consumption
on the other hand, we are most cruel definitely. in the past we've killed ourselves over petty matters such as fighting for land, pride and to win over a woman.

I never have nightmares, and I spend a good deal of my week kicking puppies. Your theory doesn't fly.

 

[FoBoT]

why did you bump this worthless thread you wanker

animals are property, should we treat books ethically? or a dirt pile ethically? what is that supposed to mean?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
why did you bump this worthless thread you wanker

Because I secretly love you.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Most of their concerns are legitimate, but people are more interested in what conveniences themselves rather than what inconviences others, including animal cruelty.

no they aren't legitimate. They're idiotic.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
I agree that there is some cruel things being done to animals like chickens being tortured with electricity to produce more eggs, cows being herded into tiny areas with nearly no movement all their lives, etc.
However I strongly disagree with what PETA feels has to be done; I don't want to be a vegetarian or blow up buildings.
What I would like to see is a group that works to make commercial farms more animal friendly and that's it. No firebombing, no required vegetarianism, etc...

This is what I don't understand: What the hell for? Why do I give a rat's butt about the living conditions of a cow? As long as they're not disease ridden and the meat is tender (what you get from herding in confined areas) then I am satisfied. I don't care how they're killed, what they're fed, what they're living conditions were, all I care is that they are clean, tender and cheap.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Nebor
A Peta activist ran over my dog, and screamed out the window "This is how I feel when you eat meat!"

I wish they had ground PETA protestors in the meat section of my supermarket...

 

[Insomniak]

PETA Kills Animals.


They're hypocrites, they're extremists, they give money to groups that the FBI has certified as domestic terrorists, and they are nothing but another interest group hellbent on getting their agenda forced on the American public.

Those are just a few of the many reasons I don't like them.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: RobCur
why do we sometime have nightmares? because of animal's suffering. our past life as an animals is the result of our cruelty. what goes around comes around to hunt you back.
hunting animals for fun is immoral such as deers, squirrels, horses, bear
because life is about eating one another, cruelty is part of the ingredient
even if peta tries to stop everyone from eating meat, most will not stop because it is too tasty. what is animals? less intelligent, able to bear offsprings, can't defend themselves due to being on the lower chain of animal kingdom
We are animals too but at the very top of the pyramid, the most evolved.
Are cows really cruel animals? I think not, they are a victim of human consumption
on the other hand, we are most cruel definitely. in the past we've killed ourselves over petty matters such as fighting for land, pride and to win over a woman.

And he officially just took a swan dive over the railing folks.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Chelsey
As an animal lover and a future veterinarian, I am totally against animal cruelty. I do not like to hear about/see animals suffering. As a result of that, I am for euthanasia, something PETA does not agree with. I work at a vet clinic and I see first hand some of the cruel things that people do to their animals, both intentionally and by accident. In many of these cases, euthanasia keeps the animal from suffering. My vet believes in giving animals a chance to survive, many times at her own cost, but there are some cases in which no amount of medical care can save an animal. When its suffering is too great euthanasia is the only answer. I seriously think that PETA has some issues if they are against euthanasia-sometimes it's what's best for the animal.

LinkI do not believe that fish and lobsters are complex enough to have well-functioning nervous systems. Sure, they can respond to the world around them, but I seriously doubt that they can feel pain. I understand PETA's concern for animal cruelty, but is it necessarily cruelty to kill an animal that isn't capable of feeling pain?

The next thing I would like to comment on is PETA's criticism on using animals for testing. What other alternatives are there? If the drug companies are to develop drugs to save lives and alleviate pain in humans, the preliminary trials have to come from somewhere. I'm sure that some testing can be done by knowing the chemical makeup of some medications but that wouldn't determine the effectiveness of the drug. Also, the test animals are well taken care of. Labs require sterile conditions, so the cages must be kept spotless. For the animals to be in top condition (to evaluate the effects of drugs) the animals must have stimulation(wheels for mice, etc) and quality food/fresh water. The USDA oversees the use of lab animals, and I can assure you (from being USDA licensed myself) that the USDA does not take the welfare of animals lightly. There are strict codes that must be followed and inspections occur frequently. I am certain that some discomfort of the animals occurs during the testing, but some sacrifices must be made in order for the medical field to advance. In fact, most veterinary medicines came from drugs used in doctors offices.

Now onto PETA's hunting argument. All hunters that I know personally do not hunt to be wasteful, they actually eat the game they kill. Hunting seasons were instated to control the animal population within an area. If this hunting did not occur, a species, such as deer, would become overpopulated and would eventually suffer a mass dieoff, whether it be from a disease (this started happening in MO a few years ago but was caught in time via hunting) or starvation from loss of food source. Hunting actually serves a purpose, it isn't just for entertainment.

Lastly, I would like to comment on breeding animals for food. People have "evolved" into omnivores, so I believe that is what we should be. Some animals are raised for a purpose, and I believe that their purpose should be fufilled. Sure, I don't like hearing about animals such as chickens or veal calves being tortured, but that's life. If the world wasn't so overpopulated I'm sure more people would be raising their own food animals, but how is one supposed to keep a thousand pound cow in an apartment? My point: humans have to eat what they were meant to eat. Just because PETA raises heck about the big companies that "torture" their animals doesn't mean that we should all become vegetarians, we just need to regulate how the animals are being treated, which is the USDA's job.

Now onto a PETA person story...

There is a junior in my high school that is an active PETA member and a vegetarian. She uses organic everything and does not own an animal product at all, not even wool. She has "converted" all of her animals, even her dogs, into vegetarians, regardless of the effect it will have on their health. She screams bloody murder if she walks into a science classroom and finds a mouse in the ball python's cage. A student in one of our classes brought in this picture to show to some buddies and somehow this girl got ahold of the pic. She literally went histerical. She ran out of the room screaming and crying. I calmly walked out after her to make sure she was halfway ok (I felt bad). She was sitting in a chair shaking and bawling. The rest of the classperiod was spent trying to calm her down and keeping her from brutally attacking the guy that brought the pic in. Another time in the same class she stated that she'd rather eat a human than an animal, and that prisoners should be used to test drugs on instead of animals. Because of my experience with this individual I have to agree...PETA PEOPLE ARE LUNATICS.

As I google PETA I came up with this site regarding PETA. They seem to be credible and give sources. Ok, I'm done with my novel.

Great, great post. I agree 100%.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: RobCur
why do we sometime have nightmares? because of animal's suffering. our past life as an animals is the result of our cruelty. what goes around comes around to hunt you back.
hunting animals for fun is immoral such as deers, squirrels, horses, bear
because life is about eating one another, cruelty is part of the ingredient
even if peta tries to stop everyone from eating meat, most will not stop because it is too tasty. what is animals? less intelligent, able to bear offsprings, can't defend themselves due to being on the lower chain of animal kingdom
We are animals too but at the very top of the pyramid, the most evolved.
Are cows really cruel animals? I think not, they are a victim of human consumption
on the other hand, we are most cruel definitely. in the past we've killed ourselves over petty matters such as fighting for land, pride and to win over a woman.

You're f*cking loony.