So Thorin, considering you seem rather pissed about microsoft software, what do you suggest as an alternative to Microsofts feature laden bloatware?
Again I haven't suggested that people shouldn't use MS Bloatware. I simply think MS could follow some better design/implementation practices.
If you need an alternative consider any version of Linux with any windowing system and/or wine.
Thorin
I agree, and I'm curious what you use.
I personally don't think linux is a good way to go to escape feature hungry bloatware, because most distros are under the "more is better" category that microsoft follows.
I realize of course, anyone really looking to trim down linux can, and can make is quite small, but I haven't seen any OS that opposes MS in the feature war.
And as a software developer, I'm sure you can appreciate the difficulty of such large scale projects, and the distaste most programmers have about fixing/maintaining code.
Thoughts?
No beacause they're pathetic loosers who've never been with a woman and have a more intimate relationship with their PC that any other living organism.
Even though I'm not him for some odd reason I feel obliged to say something 
Originally posted by: buleyb
Originally posted by: thorin
20 bucks says debian/slackware/gentoo!
Have you ever tried Blackbox? That is the nice thing about linux - it can be bloated...or it can't. I can choose to install KDE....or I can choose something simpler... With windows you don't really have a choice beyond turning off "animations" and whatnot
Redhat Bluecurve. granted it isn't a new OS I love the look or bluecurve and would use it for my day to day usage but after 4 fscking months of trying to get my modem to work I figure wait till next month as a I start college and concern myself with getting it hooked up then considering it recgonzies my NIC just fine
Even though I'm not a coder in the strict professional sense I would assume the opposite. A computer programmer isn't one of the best paying jobs out there so those who do program for a living do it because they truly enjoy it. Yeah anyone is going to have parts that would be a "biznitch to code" but in the end I would assume the satisfaction of completeing it coupled with the fact that THEY LIKE TO PROGRAM would easily outweigh any minor thing...
I couldn't imagine someone being a programmer and hating to work on their stuff...maybe some other job that pays 150k+ and they tolerate it just because of the money (I couldn't do that)
And I think viruses today are nicer...I remember back in 2000 decidng to install a Virus scan and I did just that. Then I ran it and BAM it turns out a I had a virus which I assumed I got recently. I did a search on it and what it would have done on the 26th (or maybe it was the 19th? I don't remember) was fvck up the bios or some shiznit like that to where I literally LOSE the computer...luckily I was two or three days before that time period but I was seriously worried and would run virus scan 2-3 times a day.
Now when I got MSBLAST (and Ima 56k too!
The people who make viruses generally have a very small penis, and live in the windowless basement at their grandmother's house.
They make viruses because they have no friends and have nothing better to do.
They make viruses because they have no friends and have nothing better to do.
Ya right. Like the US would invent reasons to go to war during economic slumps too.... wait ....
ok thorin. you think you are so awesome, what do you develop commercially for a living, because frankly, i dont believe you.
You know what, you seem like the kind of guy, who if he coudl figure out how, would write viruses.
oh well chief.
and captain grammer police. I didnt leave out words, i missed a question mark:
which version? you ahve to port all that code.
happy?
Are you serious about this? You think that these guys dont do it for the attention and bragging rights? what else do they have to gain? And please dont say 'letting the world know about the holes'
This is what I always find amusing from people like you. Linux has so much more free time to patch holes before people exploit them. As has been said Linux is not a major target for attacks. There is more lag time.
You know what, you seem like the kind of guy, who if he coudl figure out how, would write viruses.
oh well chief.
and captain grammer police. I didnt leave out words, i missed a question mark:
which version? you ahve to port all that code.
happy?
And it's going to upset me that you don't believe me???? WTF do I care? Just to appease (sp?) you I've worked on switching software and VoIP stuff for Nortel, a bunch of Financial system and web apps for AT&T, etc...
Now read it again..........
I addressed those arguements already.......
Interesting idea but I have no need or motivation to write spiteful or malicious code.
Ok
No that line still doesn't make any sense. On it's own or in it's previous context.....but whatever
Thorin
read waht again? You are not making sense. Virus writers make the viruses for the 'fame'/bragging writes, end of story.
how does that sentence not make sense to you?
I said ok you want to write on unix. AIX, Solaris, hp? what version? you have to port all that code(to the other OS versions).
Get it now, or do i need to draw you a picture?
Bloatware? You're a funny man. Have you ever tried the default setups for RedHat 9.0 or Mandrake 8.1? They default to over 2GB on your harddisk. They also default to using over 125MB of memory on startup. Windows XP Pro is peanuts compared to that, with about 1GB of install data and about 100MB of memory at startup.
Tis funny since if you properly install Gentoo, you could probably trim the install to less than a quarter of what RedHat does. If you think all Linux distros are unbloated, then you need to wake up.
Exactly my problem with them. I understand the purpose of many of these tools, and I know I don't have to install them, but I wish these installers didn't install it by default. How many browsers, window managers, and editors do I really need?
There are over 300 various text editors on Linux. The default installes several dozen. I'm sorrry, but even Windows XP only has just a handful of text editors (VI, notepad, Edit, wordpad).
I just played around with the latest version of RedHat. It seems that the *minimum install* is approximately 2.1GB! And that configuration is just as a firewall box! With KDE/Gnome the average install seems to be around 4GB. If you dont call that bloat, I dont want to see how bloated your OS is.
Originally posted by: dexvx
There are over 300 various text editors on Linux. The default installes several dozen. I'm sorrry, but even Windows XP only has just a handful of text editors (VI, notepad, Edit, wordpad).
I just played around with the latest version of RedHat. It seems that the *minimum install* is approximately 2.1GB! And that configuration is just as a firewall box! With KDE/Gnome the average install seems to be around 4GB. If you dont call that bloat, I dont want to see how bloated your OS is.
I hope you realize that you are actually agreeing with buleyb and not arguing with him.
Obviously Thorin does not care to defend his statements.
This is his most common defense. Oh, you misunderstood me.
Way to be of assistance Thorin.
No problem ... now please go ahead and quote my post in this thread where I said that I think all Linux distros are unbloated.
Thorin
Edit: Here's another good article for this thread http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5065494.html .... oh and another http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3154479.stm
I have a RH9 box, just to play with, Im a Gentoo man normally.
It's currently at 2.8 GB, that's with the default stuff from the Custom install option, and alot of extra stuff added that wasn't in the default, as well as a bunch of other extras, the biggest definately being Ximian desktop.
As for that 1 GB WinXP install, it's not like you get alot of stuff with it, very basic functionality, no offce type apps, no decent network tools, no development tools, etc etc.
My RedHat install has all of those.
I don't really care what the default options are, as long as I have the choice to remove/add stuff, what I don't like is getting alot of crap that I can't remove.
And if you couldn't get a Redhat install under 2.1 GB, you did something SERIOUSLY wrong.
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People write virii and snipe people they don't know because they can. In each case they are so proud of the power they have that they just can't help themselves but to test thier tech skills in a way that has real consequences, especially when thier lives are otherwise unfulfilling.
Although I wasn't affected by the blaster worm I did choose to express my dissatisfaction with M$ by downloading all of the skipped updates I don't really need on 8/16 when the supposed DoS attack was to take place and maybe eat up some bandwidth by legitamate means. It ran at the same speed it always does.
Microsoft: Many Billions
Blaster32 Writer: Zero
Although I wasn't affected by the blaster worm I did choose to express my dissatisfaction with M$ by downloading all of the skipped updates I don't really need on 8/16 when the supposed DoS attack was to take place and maybe eat up some bandwidth by legitamate means. It ran at the same speed it always does.
Microsoft: Many Billions
Blaster32 Writer: Zero
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