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loup garou

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Originally posted by: geno
Geez, all schools should have uniforms or at the very least, a dress code.
bah! Screw you, uniforms blow
No way, I loved having uniforms in high school! Of course, I went to an all boys catholic high school, so I wasn't out to impress anyone. You could wear the same uniform for a week straight! Who cared? I'd rather wear a dirty/wrinkled uniform than do laundry! :)

hmm...just thinking about how ironic it is that I had to wear a uniform, yet still managed to look like a slob...
 

jacob0401

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: minendo
Personally I like to dress up, it makes me feel more confident, its comfortable, and hell I'm going to be wearing a suit everyday once I get into the real world, why not start my last year of high school?
What makes you think you will be wearing a suit everyday once you get a job?
I'm sorry, but the uber-serious "Jr Executive Business Man" guys in my high school who wore suits and carried briefcases (there were a couple of these guys) were about as popular as lepers. I'd advise you enjoy the freedom of not wearing a monkey suit while you still can.


Now briefcases that is a little far...
:D
 

JSClark

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I somewhat agree. These kids come outta school looking like they've been in some huge fight or something. But in the same respect, they are gonna dress the way they wanna dress and noone is gonna do a thing about it. A uniform isn't gonna help the situation, because they only have to wear it for like 6 hours outta the day, then they can go home and dress in their ghetto rag gear for the afternoon.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
 

geno

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Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: geno
Geez, all schools should have uniforms or at the very least, a dress code.
bah! Screw you, uniforms blow
No way, I loved having uniforms in high school! Of course, I went to an all boys catholic high school, so I wasn't out to impress anyone. You could wear the same uniform for a week straight! Who cared? I'd rather wear a dirty/wrinkled uniform than do laundry! :)

oh man, sound like me in Jr High (had uniforms). "No one will know if I reuse my blue shirt...here goes!" :D
 

Riprorin

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Some interesting studies:

An Examination of the Effect of School Uniforms

on Student Achievement and Behavior

Having students wear uniforms has become a hot issue in many communities across the nation (Loesch, 1995). The issue of implementing a school uniform policy has both strong supporters and opposition. Those in favor of uniforms claim there are many advantages to instituting them: improved scholastic performance, student security, student discipline, and school morale (Caruso, 1996). Those who object to this idea claim that such a policy violates the First Amendment and that educators and schools will not see the dramatic effects its advocates claim (Caruso, 1996). Should school uniforms be required in order to better student achievement and behavior?

School uniforms seem to be making a difference in the public schools all over the country. One example would be the Long Beach Unified School District where students are required to wear uniforms. According to district teachers, the uniforms have constructed a better classroom/learning setting by curbing gang tension and the polarization associated with name brand clothing (Caruso, 1996). Research by Behling (1994) indicates that clothing can create a "halo effect," whereby a student in uniform is seen as better behaved, a high academic achiever, and someone with academic potential, particularly when they wear a "dress uniform," i.e., pants or skirt with a blazer.

A California school has found a successful formula for making uniforms into symbols of school pride (Loesch, 1995). School uniforms will level the playing field in classrooms by removing the messages of social and economic status carried in apparel (Dressed for Survival, 1994). However, uniforms tailored to individual schools may increase in value a school's sense of community and students' self-esteem (Dressed for Survival, 1994). School uniforms aim to improve school climate and reflect a sense of pride and affiliation.

Among the public school systems with a required uniform policy can document success by the 83,000 - student Long Beach District in California (Elam and Rose, 1996). This study by Elam and Rose (1996) report that assault and battery cases in grades K - 8 dropped 34% in two years, physical fights dropped 51%, and suspensions dropped 32%. Behling (1994) states that it is evident that school uniforms, or a uniform style of dress positively influence the perception of school - related behavior by both peers and teachers.

Clothing influences the way students see themselves (Caruso, 1996). Student benefits include enhanced self-image, improved academic indicator ratings, and increased participation (Hoffler--Riddick and Lassiter, 1996). A study by Hoffler--Riddick and Lassiter (1996) shows school benefits which include a dramatic decrease in discipline infractions, improved attendance, and an improvement in the overall instructional climate.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Some interesting studies:

An Examination of the Effect of School Uniforms

on Student Achievement and Behavior

Having students wear uniforms has become a hot issue in many communities across the nation (Loesch, 1995). The issue of implementing a school uniform policy has both strong supporters and opposition. Those in favor of uniforms claim there are many advantages to instituting them: improved scholastic performance, student security, student discipline, and school morale (Caruso, 1996). Those who object to this idea claim that such a policy violates the First Amendment and that educators and schools will not see the dramatic effects its advocates claim (Caruso, 1996). Should school uniforms be required in order to better student achievement and behavior?

School uniforms seem to be making a difference in the public schools all over the country. One example would be the Long Beach Unified School District where students are required to wear uniforms. According to district teachers, the uniforms have constructed a better classroom/learning setting by curbing gang tension and the polarization associated with name brand clothing (Caruso, 1996). Research by Behling (1994) indicates that clothing can create a "halo effect," whereby a student in uniform is seen as better behaved, a high academic achiever, and someone with academic potential, particularly when they wear a "dress uniform," i.e., pants or skirt with a blazer.

A California school has found a successful formula for making uniforms into symbols of school pride (Loesch, 1995). School uniforms will level the playing field in classrooms by removing the messages of social and economic status carried in apparel (Dressed for Survival, 1994). However, uniforms tailored to individual schools may increase in value a school's sense of community and students' self-esteem (Dressed for Survival, 1994). School uniforms aim to improve school climate and reflect a sense of pride and affiliation.

Among the public school systems with a required uniform policy can document success by the 83,000 - student Long Beach District in California (Elam and Rose, 1996). This study by Elam and Rose (1996) report that assault and battery cases in grades K - 8 dropped 34% in two years, physical fights dropped 51%, and suspensions dropped 32%. Behling (1994) states that it is evident that school uniforms, or a uniform style of dress positively influence the perception of school - related behavior by both peers and teachers.

Clothing influences the way students see themselves (Caruso, 1996). Student benefits include enhanced self-image, improved academic indicator ratings, and increased participation (Hoffler--Riddick and Lassiter, 1996). A study by Hoffler--Riddick and Lassiter (1996) shows school benefits which include a dramatic decrease in discipline infractions, improved attendance, and an improvement in the overall instructional climate.
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?
 

monk3y

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I can't believe the way I look going to school sometimes... I'm in college though so it's ok hehe.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: InstincT
I can't believe the way I look going to school sometimes... I'm in college though so it's ok hehe.
Using Riprorin's logic state funded universities should also have a dress code. I'd like to see someone attempt to enforce that.

 

Riprorin

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That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?[/quote]

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

 

Geekbabe

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My problems with the concept of uniforms in the public school was that they wouldn't just specify a white shirt,they'd tell you were you had to buy the shirt,100% of the time the place selling those shirts was way more expensive than any other place,the clothing was often cheaply made and fell apart from frequent laundering.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?
Maybe he feels that it would make raising his children easier if he didn't have to fight with them over what they want to wear to school!
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?[/quote]

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.[/quote]

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.

 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.[/quote]


but you are not entitled to over rule my final say as a parent:)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.[/quote]
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?

Not that it matter in this discussion, but my kids go to a school that requires uniforms.

Studies have shown that school uniforms are beneficial to students.

I want the most bang for my buck for my tax dollars.

Hence, I am for school uniforms.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it![/quote]

So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?

Not that it matter in this discussion, but my kids go to a school that requires uniforms.

Studies have shown that school uniforms are beneficial to students.

I want the most bang for my buck for my tax dollars.

Hence, I am for school uniforms.
So you send your kids to parochial school yet you want to tell others how their children should be dressed when they go to public school?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.
Even if you didn't you are entitled to voice your opinion just like those who are reasonable are entitled to mock and ridicule it!

So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?[/quote]Not at all. Telling other parents how their children should dress, especially by someone whose children attend a private school iswhat I would call unreasonable. Right Wing Tossers are always trying to tell others how they should live and you are no exception.

 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That all may be true but if only one parent was against it who are we (the State,School District, Head up the ass Taxpayer who thinks they can tell others how to dress) to force them to comply? If they don't do we deny their children an education, take their kids away or worse, make them go to a Catholic School?

Then they should start their own school at their own expense. Slovenly U anyone?

And they should also then be allowed to with hold their contributions to the public school system which you think they are not entitled to attend because they don't live up to your standards.

I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.[/quote]
You pay for teachers, buildings, and supplies. Until you pay the students, stop bothering them.
I used to live in Long Beach, CA. I've had enough experience with uniforms...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
blah blah blah it doesn't affect you, so mind your own business.

I pay school tax. That makes it my business.
So because you pay school taxes you feel that entitles you to tell others how to dress?
rolleye.gif

Absolutely. Do as you please, just don't ask me to pay for it. As long as I'm paying to support public schools, I'll say what I want, thank you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children and are probably in high school yourself.
Why don't you explain here to the court of public opinion exactly how your school taxes give you say over other people's children and the way they dress? How does that negatively affect YOUR child's education?

Not that it matter in this discussion, but my kids go to a school that requires uniforms.

Studies have shown that school uniforms are beneficial to students.

I want the most bang for my buck for my tax dollars.

Hence, I am for school uniforms.
So you send your kids to parochial school yet you want to tell others how their children should be dressed when they go to public school?

Yes.

 

Jzero

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I have a simple philosophy, as long as your actions don't impact me, do as you please. Just don't ask me to pay for it.

I pay for public education, so I'm entitled to voice my opinion.

Of course, you dodged out on the question where I asked how the way other kids dress has any affect on the quality of YOUR child's education.
Funny how that works.

Not that it matter in this discussion, but my kids go to a school that requires uniforms.
Then what is the basis for your complaint?

So be it. Who's being reasonable, you? I would call be against school uniforms when numerous studies show the benefit is unreasonable. Wouldn't you?
No, I would call using "I pay taxes" as an excuse to try to dictate the way people dress unreasonable, but I've been called insane by better people, so I'm not gonna sweat it.

Just remember that I pay federal taxes so I think I should be able to dictate what you can and cannot say. This "I pay taxes" argument isn't sounding so sensible, is it?