Why do minors have less rights than adults?

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ahurtt

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Originally posted by: goku
I don't understand why is it that minors have less rights than adults, for example they're technically not allowed to "own" anything, the money they earn say they put into a bank account when they were a child aren't allowed to access it unless their parents consent to it even though they earned it. Why are there so many restrictions on what a minor can do? I just don't think it's very fair, sure they're growing up but that doesn't mean they have to grow up and get a bitter taste in their mouth on how limited their rights will be when they're older.

One day in the future when you have kids of your own you'll look back at this thread you started and you will be like, "WTF was I thinking?" Everything will become clear to you in time. Right now just enjoy the fact that while you may have limited rights, you are also relatively free to make your mistakes without really suffering much of the consequences as an adult would.
 

Exterous

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: goku
I don't understand why is it that minors have less rights than adults, for example they're technically not allowed to "own" anything, the money they earn say they put into a bank account when they were a child aren't allowed to access it unless their parents consent to it even though they earned it. Why are there so many restrictions on what a minor can do? I just don't think it's very fair, sure they're growing up but that doesn't mean they have to grow up and get a bitter taste in their mouth on how limited their rights will be when they're older.
Right now just enjoy the fact that while you may have limited rights, you are also relatively free to make your mistakes without really suffering much of the consequences as an adult would.

Man, If I knew then what I know now, I would have done alot more stupid stuff. Oh well - I'll just go drown my sorrows in alcohol - which i can buy legally
 

fitzov

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Keep asking intelligent questions--it's the only way to keep from being an obtuse bigot.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
Originally posted by: goku
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what are you hoping to achive with this?

He's hoping someone will eventually agree with him.

Or provide him with the point that he can present to his parents as a reason for them to let him buy the latest video game...
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Exterous
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: goku
I don't understand why is it that minors have less rights than adults, for example they're technically not allowed to "own" anything, the money they earn say they put into a bank account when they were a child aren't allowed to access it unless their parents consent to it even though they earned it. Why are there so many restrictions on what a minor can do? I just don't think it's very fair, sure they're growing up but that doesn't mean they have to grow up and get a bitter taste in their mouth on how limited their rights will be when they're older.
Right now just enjoy the fact that while you may have limited rights, you are also relatively free to make your mistakes without really suffering much of the consequences as an adult would.

Man, If I knew then what I know now, I would have done alot more stupid stuff. Oh well - I'll just go drown my sorrows in alcohol - which i can buy legally

Agreed!!! It's only after you become an adult that you realize you could have done stupid things as a kid and have gotten away with it. :laugh: :(
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.

One of the signs of immaturity is what you keep posting. That's the whole point.

You are not a special snowflake, you are nothing special, once you realize this you are an adult and use these experiences to become that special snowflake. For now, you are not.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: goku
No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.
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Just read up on some basic psychology. Seriously. Do that and then make a reasonable post.
 

jai6638

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.


You are not helping the cause of us minors with your wordy sentences ;)

I'd say, deal with it! Even though it would be nice to have the rights, the age restrictions make sense with financial matters.

Also, laws and restrictions are made keeping everyone in mind and cannot cater to the maturity levels of certain minors. I guess exceptions could be made in extreme circumstances ( death of parents,etc) but otherwise, it wouldnt make sense granting these rights to all from a legal point of view.

I agree with spidey07. The fact that you keep supporting your invalid point reflects upon your maturity level because you are not thinking objectively and from a third person view.There are more important things in life so focus on them instead of complaining about the rights you dont have ...
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: jai6638
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.
you are not thinking objectively and from a third person view.There are more important things in life so focus on them instead of complaining about the rights you dont have ...

Ha! Yes ofcourse I am. The problem is, YOU'RE not seeing the situation from an objective stance. I could take every statement that has been made against minors and replace it with 'colored people' or 'black people' or '******' and all of a sudden it all makes perfect sense.

History has a tendency to repeat its self whether you realize it or not. People only act immature if you tell them/let them act that way. Because the generation gap is slowly getting larger with more advances in medical treatment, people not only are living longer but are maturing at a rate far slower than before.
 

avi85

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: jai6638
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: topslop1
Im 18 and I can handle both. Thanks.

No, you cannot.

You lack the basic ability the think about the consequences of your actions and base decisions on proper action. That is the main reason why minors don't have the same "rights". It's proven psycholically and through decades of research.

No matter how mature you think you are your brain is not yet fully developed.
You can't make a blanket statement saying that, how would you know? I'm pretty sure I'm much more mature than my peers are hell I wouldn't be surprised if you took my 12 year old self and threw him out on the street and still be able to survive. Considering that there are people who are 30 and can't take care of themselves while there are 14 year olds who have to take care of their whole family, its clear you likely believe that stereotypes are the be all end all answer for people's actions.
you are not thinking objectively and from a third person view.There are more important things in life so focus on them instead of complaining about the rights you dont have ...

Ha! Yes ofcourse I am. The problem is, YOU'RE not seeing the situation from an objective stance. I could take every statement that has been made against minors and replace it with 'colored people' or 'black people' or '******' and all of a sudden it all makes perfect sense.

History has a tendency to repeat its self whether you realize it or not. People only act immature if you tell them/let them act that way. Because the generation gap is slowly getting larger with more advances in medical treatment, people not only are living longer but are maturing at a rate far slower than before.

I would have to say that Americans mature slower than in other nations, in fact the more "backwards" a society the faster they seem to mature, look at 3rd world countries, most teenagers are treated as adults and are not babied like they are in the U.S.

That's progress for you... ;)
 

jai6638

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Ha! Yes ofcourse I am. The problem is, YOU'RE not seeing the situation from an objective stance. I could take every statement that has been made against minors and replace it with 'colored people' or 'black people' or '******' and all of a sudden it all makes perfect sense.

What you said does not make sense.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, Minors are not capable of making informed decisions without the guidance of adults ( which can be due to lack of exposure,etc ). How does the colored people / black people ,etc fit into this whole argument? I dont get it!

Btw I am a minor myself although that will change in a years time. I think I am mature enough to manage my finances but I would definately not go ahead and do it all by myself since I lack experience in managing funds and thinking at a level that say my older brother would. Experience gives man perspective! Experience is something that minors lack compared to an adult.

I would have to say that Americans mature slower than in other nations, in fact the more "backwards" a society the faster they seem to mature, look at 3rd world countries, most teenagers are treated as adults and are not babied like they are in the U.S.

I concur. In my opinion, this is because they are exposed to the "realities of life" much earlier than others.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: jai6638
Ha! Yes ofcourse I am. The problem is, YOU'RE not seeing the situation from an objective stance. I could take every statement that has been made against minors and replace it with 'colored people' or 'black people' or '******' and all of a sudden it all makes perfect sense.

What you said does not make sense.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, Minors are not capable of making informed decisions without the guidance of adults ( which can be due to lack of exposure,etc ). How does the colored people / black people ,etc fit into this whole argument? I dont get it!

Btw I am a minor myself although that will change in a years time. I think I am mature enough to manage my finances but I would definately not go ahead and do it all by myself since I lack experience in managing funds and thinking at a level that say my older brother would. Experience gives man perspective! Experience is something that minors lack compared to an adult.

I would have to say that Americans mature slower than in other nations, in fact the more "backwards" a society the faster they seem to mature, look at 3rd world countries, most teenagers are treated as adults and are not babied like they are in the U.S.

I concur. In my opinion, this is because they are exposed to the "realities of life" much earlier than others.
If you don't give them the opportunity to make a decision themselves, how can you expect them when they turn 18 to be any better off? When they're 18, they're just as clueless as when they were 17. The only difference that seems is that at 18, they're cutting you off... It's too bad you can't see the correlation between discriminiation against minors and minorities, hey now doesn't THAT sound similar. :p
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: kranky
If minors would be allowed to control their own finances, and enter into contractual agreements, I would quit my job and start my own business in a heartbeat. I would become a millionaire in under a year, legally extracting money from minors who don't know what they are doing.
:D
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: kranky
If minors would be allowed to control their own finances, and enter into contractual agreements, I would quit my job and start my own business in a heartbeat. I would become a millionaire in under a year, legally extracting money from minors who don't know what they are doing.
:D

Thats not funny, how is this any different from elderly people? Elderly people, (assuming of course that all minors are naive) are taken advantage of every day, the elderly are adults and people do exactly what Kranky just said, and thats called FRAUD.

Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: kranky
If minors would be allowed to control their own finances, and enter into contractual agreements, I would quit my job and start my own business in a heartbeat. I would become a millionaire in under a year, legally extracting money from minors who don't know what they are doing.
:D

Thats not funny, how is this any different from elderly people? Elderly people, (assuming of course that all minors are naive) are taken advantage of every day, the elderly are adults and people do exactly what Kranky just said, and thats called FRAUD.

Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED.
It's funny 'cause it's true, that's why.

Here's what my dad used to tell me when I was kid. "Quick! Leave home and go out into the world now while you still know everything."
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: kranky
If minors would be allowed to control their own finances, and enter into contractual agreements, I would quit my job and start my own business in a heartbeat. I would become a millionaire in under a year, legally extracting money from minors who don't know what they are doing.
:D

Thats not funny, how is this any different from elderly people? Elderly people, (assuming of course that all minors are naive) are taken advantage of every day, the elderly are adults and people do exactly what Kranky just said, and thats called FRAUD.

Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED.
It's funny 'cause it's true, that's why.

Here's what my dad used to tell me when I was kid. "Quick! Leave home and go out into the world now while you still know everything."

That's awesome! :laugh::thumbsup:
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: kranky
If minors would be allowed to control their own finances, and enter into contractual agreements, I would quit my job and start my own business in a heartbeat. I would become a millionaire in under a year, legally extracting money from minors who don't know what they are doing.
:D

Thats not funny, how is this any different from elderly people? Elderly people, (assuming of course that all minors are naive) are taken advantage of every day, the elderly are adults and people do exactly what Kranky just said, and thats called FRAUD.

Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED.
It's funny 'cause it's true, that's why.

Here's what my dad used to tell me when I was kid. "Quick! Leave home and go out into the world now while you still know everything."
Way to avoid the issue...
 

rbV5

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Child labor laws probably play a fair part. Funny, you mention other countries and how they don't "baby" their childeren like in the US. I wonder if you are referring to child slavery, child prostitution, arrainged marriages and forced sweat shop labor? Growing up in some parts of the world isn't all fun and games.

Fact is, adults prey on children and children are protected because of contract law, labor laws and financial rules in the US. Consider yourself lucky. Minors have opportunities to clear their record of mistakes that adults don't.

I suspect minors have a lot more rights in this country than you acknowlege.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Child labor laws probably play a fair part. Funny, you mention other countries and how they don't "baby" their childeren like in the US. I wonder if you are referring to child slavery, child prostitution, arrainged marriages and forced sweat shop labor? Growing up in some parts of the world isn't all fun and games.

Fact is, adults prey on children and children are protected because of contract law, labor laws and financial rules in the US. Consider yourself lucky. Minors have opportunities to clear their record of mistakes that adults don't.

I suspect minors have a lot more rights in this country than you acknowlege.

What is yoru point? Minors still can work jobs anyways at KFC for all they want but if they deposit that money into a 'savings' account they can't get a dime of that back until their 18, smells like bullshit to me.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: goku
Thats not funny, how is this any different from elderly people? Elderly people, (assuming of course that all minors are naive) are taken advantage of every day, the elderly are adults and people do exactly what Kranky just said, and thats called FRAUD.

Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED.
Do you know the defintion of fraud? Fraud involves lying, tricking, deceiving, etc to get profit or to gain unfair advantages. Having naive elderly people buy your stuff isn't fraud. If children had the legal right to enter contracts, then having naive children signing contracts isn't fraud. Sure, fraud is possible in those cases, but you are false in labeling it all fraud.
 

rbV5

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Not all minors are naive, some are some aren't, naive or not, there is not reason why a minor shouldn't be able to have their own checking account, let alone being able to withdraw THEIR OWN MONEY THEY DEPOSITED

What are talking about? My minor daughter can withdrawl money from her account any time she wants to with her bank card. The account itself is not much different than a co-signer for a loan, something I needed even when I was no longer a minor until I buit up my credit.