Born2bwire
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- Oct 28, 2005
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As a graduate student, you should be automatically considered an independent regardless of your age. I started Grad school at 21 and I no longer had a parent's contribution weighed against my financial aid (and I did not have to submit my parent's tax returns, which they usually did after a bunch of the grant deadlines). Though at the same time I really did not care to take out up to $18K in loans a year. Despite not having as many fiscal responsibilities as you, I know what you mean, it really is a hang up to have them reduce your aid due to what they expect your parents to contribute despite the fact that you claim yourself to be an independent, your parents do not claim you as an independent, and you report the fact that your parents can't claim you as a dependent even if they wanted to.
videogames101
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- Aug 24, 2005
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I'm a minor and probably more mature then half of the adults out there, but I guess being on a computer hardware forum as a minor isn't exactly the norm...
Or on this forum either (in this thread the very least).
I believe that minors should have many more rights than they do now, when you spoonfeed, baby them and treat them like idiots, guess what they're going to do? Parents these days have very low expectations for their kids, I'm wondering if this is because the lifespan of people has been stretched so much that parents subconsciously are adjusting accordingly.
I'm glad that I grew up at a much more rapid pace than other kids but unfortunately because of that, I've seen how few rights you have as a minor. It's funny, I give the impression that my parents were oppressive and strict when I was growing up when in reality they were fairly lenient (I was selling on ebay when I was 8/9, didn't have bed time etc.).
The problem I did have though as I was growing up was with authority figures, particularly speaking about school administrators, probably one of the most worthless people on the face of the earth. I'm almost universally against school administrators not only because of their pisspoor excuse for administration but because of their budget balancing skills or lack thereof, and not having a clue as to what teachers want/need. (Teachers I've talked with say the reason for this is because most admins were at one point PE teachers :laugh:
So that is probably the reason why I'm so frustrated because they teach the kids in school about the constitution, democracy, freedom of speech and how america is so great while they take away 90% of those rights when you're in school. (Amazing how in college, you do have rights, but in K-12 admins and the courts have upheld that your rights are ok to be infriged upon)
I have empathy while seemingly 90% of ATOT doesn't, that is the difference between me and ATOT. I'm not advocating that minors should have the same rights as adults because they're likely to make dumb mistakes like dropping out of school when they're 12 because they want to play video games all day etc. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have control over things like property and money they earn themselves, sure there should be restrictions like being unable to enter into a contract but nonetheless they deserve more rights than they're given at this point.
I don't blame them. I'm 21 and I have cousins who are a few years younger than me - they ARE dumb. And it worries me to think I was probably just as silly when I was their age. Four years of college really, really changed me.
The thing is, when we are 17, we think we are more sensible and mature than the average 17-year-old (sometimes, its true).
But one day, you turn 21 and read your old blogs/journals/diaries - your thoughts and ideas from four years ago. And it makes you realize that you were just kidding yourself.
I still maintain that I was smarter than average when I was 15/16/17/18...but the truth is, if I were to go back in time and meet myself at that point, I would think I (as in my 17-yr-old alter-ego) was a loser.
And what money/property could a minor possibly have: at that age, just blow your cash on things you want (not need). Live a little - you have a whole life to worry about finances where it will really affect the quality of your life.
I agree with you, to an extent. Problem is, as you guys should know me by now, I'm really not that 'normal', to put things in simple terms as I've had different view points (albiet limited) between the ages of 10-13 (they changed practically every year) but by the time I turned 14, they stabilized and have been consistent ever since. Some people would view this as me not maturing and therefore me being immature because of this, I view this as me maturing at a faster rate than others.
the text below may consist of incessant ramblings, you have been forewarned.
An example I see as me being more mature than my peers is that seemingly all my life I've had difficulty identifying with my peers, but on the other hand I found it much easier to be friends with and identify with those that were older than me. When I was 8, I found that being friends with people or at the very minimum engaging in conversation with those who were 10/11 was much more gratifying than other 8 year olds.When I was 13, things leveled out a bit but I was better friends with 8th graders than my 6th grade peers.
I can attribute this 'maturing' because I'm the youngest child of 3 sisters and therefore I subconsciously attempted to 'match' their 'status'. I'd say this is analogous to a sorority house where the menstrual cycle of the women tends to 'sync up' with that of the most dominant woman.
I could explain why I act immature but I'd rather spend my time preparing for the flames I'll be getting for this post.
Brainonska511
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Originally posted by: saymyname
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: saymyname
Do you know what a fallacy is? Attacking my spelling isn't exactly relevent to the argument at hand.
Goku, what did your parents not let you buy? I'm curious.
Besides, I've lived and travelled to countries that have the age limit at everything from no age limit to 16, 18, and 21. Have you? You aren't even 18 yet. What personal experience do you bring to the table? Family experience? Anything?
Having a drinking age of 21 doesn't even matter in this country. It is pretty easy to obtain alcohol when you are in HS or college.
True. However, you can't drink at a restaurant, bar, or club. I don't even think you can drink on a cruise line.
I'm pretty sure that most cruises have the policy that you must be 18 to drink.
Goku, are you sure that you haven't matured since you were 14?
That seems fundamentally wrong. One thing most people notice is that no matter how mature they are at 14 or 16 or even 21, in a few years they realize how immature they were.
It really isn't until you accept resposability for all your actions that you grow up. I'll even take it a step further and say that until you are responsable for a SO or a child you probably haven't grown up.
When you see adults that are losers it's most likely because they can't take care of themselves and/or those around them. In other words they still haven't grown up.
Some of what you're saying might simply have to do with the people you assocate with. I don't know about you but my family expects nothing less than the best from me. It's expected that I should do better than my parents. If you have friends or family that have low expectations then they have a bad attitude and you should ignore them and find better role models. Under promise and overdeliver if that helps. It works in sales.
Mostly, I think you should just print this out and read it when you're plder. You'll find it amusing. Maybe when you get laid or get a job or whatever it is that you're lacking, you'll find out that you still have a lot of growing up to do and 14 wasn't your peak.
That seems fundamentally wrong. One thing most people notice is that no matter how mature they are at 14 or 16 or even 21, in a few years they realize how immature they were.
It really isn't until you accept resposability for all your actions that you grow up. I'll even take it a step further and say that until you are responsable for a SO or a child you probably haven't grown up.
When you see adults that are losers it's most likely because they can't take care of themselves and/or those around them. In other words they still haven't grown up.
Some of what you're saying might simply have to do with the people you assocate with. I don't know about you but my family expects nothing less than the best from me. It's expected that I should do better than my parents. If you have friends or family that have low expectations then they have a bad attitude and you should ignore them and find better role models. Under promise and overdeliver if that helps. It works in sales.
Mostly, I think you should just print this out and read it when you're plder. You'll find it amusing. Maybe when you get laid or get a job or whatever it is that you're lacking, you'll find out that you still have a lot of growing up to do and 14 wasn't your peak.
Why is this thread still active?
Seriously, goku, if you're that dead serious you're better off being legally recognized as an adult, then stop whinning on a hardware forum and file for emancipation from your parents. But all your "knowledge" and "maturity" are no replacements for experience, of which you really don't have.
Seriously, goku, if you're that dead serious you're better off being legally recognized as an adult, then stop whinning on a hardware forum and file for emancipation from your parents. But all your "knowledge" and "maturity" are no replacements for experience, of which you really don't have.
I'd hardly say "accepting responsibilities for your actions" as being mature, it's easy to accept responsibility, what isn't easy is changing the way you do things so that you don't have to accept responsibility for mistakes in the first place (I.E not making the mistakes in the first place).
This is a retarded statement. People make mistakes and you just have to accept that. I don't care who you are, you make lots and lots of mistakes. Do you really think that people who make mistakes are immature? Is perfection the same thing as maturity to you?
Part of maturing is making less mistakes than you did before/not repeating your mistakes. Kids make mistakes because somtimes they weren't able to predict the outcomes of their actions or even considered the consequences of ****** up and the likely hood of doing so. As you mature, you're suppose to be able to predict more and more outcomes with out ever having to experience it before by either using an under used tool in this society called 'logic' and or learning from the mistakes of others which seemingly everybody refuses to do.
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